Diesel is more expensive than stella,sat with the engine running is throwing money away,only reason is to build air up,no other 
switchlogic:
Because that’s the way most companies are nowadays, in no small part because of attitudes like-Pimpdaddy:
-not my motor, not my fuel so I don’t care…
Im sorry but it’s true, I’m not the only one do there must be a reason be a reason. If the employer or whoever runs the vehicle doesn’t like it they should ensure auxiliary equipment or whatever the driver requires is fitted & serviceable at all times!
Radar19:
Depends. Sometimes I do, its not my fuel at the end of the day.
You should stick that on your CV.
oatcake1967:
Radar19:
Depends. Sometimes I do, its not my fuel at the end of the day.You should stick that on your CV.
Drivers then wonder why employers act the way they do, 
oatcake1967:
Radar19:
Depends. Sometimes I do, its not my fuel at the end of the day.You should stick that on your CV.
If I’m pulled over looking at a map then I leave it on but if I’m stopped for more than 5-10 minutes then I will turn it off. I’m not one of those lot that leaves it running for hours.
switchlogic:
green456:
why would anyone put up with being spied upon to this extent,
its communism at its finest and people told the Russians it wouldn’t workBecause that’s the way most companies are nowadays, in no small part because of attitudes like-
Pimpdaddy:
-not my motor, not my fuel so I don’t care…
I agree most of the posts confirm what most employers already know, a good number of drivers will not learn and fail to listen to what the operators and manufactures tell them, they have to be “spied on” as they are unable or unwilling to do as they are told, sad but in many cases true.
Nozza:
Have to turn ours of asap.Microlise software allows 2mins of idle.
Whole trouble with systems like that (cars as well) is you trusting the vehicle to restart again, irrespective of where it happens to be, whether that be traffic lights at roadworks, right hand filter lanes etc.
Not quite sure how you defrost windows without the engine idling whilst doing walk round checks or indeed how you keep warm in the winter whilst waiting to get dropped??
Everyone keeps banging on about truckers idling but I find its cabbie’s that are the worst for it.
When it’s below -20 or above +25 my engine gets turned off for about 2 hrs a day and thats bout it
You just beat me to it Kr through time somebody in the service dept. is going to work out the fact that batteries and starters are suffering earlier failure rates than normal. Just picture a winter night sat in stop start traffic and it keeps stopping the old battery is going to feel the pain what with all the lights on as well might not be such a good idea then. Eddie.
LIBERTY_GUY:
Nozza:
Have to turn ours of asap.Microlise software allows 2mins of idle.Whole trouble with systems like that (cars as well) is you trusting the vehicle to restart again, irrespective of where it happens to be, whether that be traffic lights at roadworks, right hand filter lanes etc.
Not quite sure how you defrost windows without the engine idling whilst doing walk round checks or indeed how you keep warm in the winter whilst waiting to get dropped??
Allways stick the night heater on if its cold and the units been stood for a while,i suppose thats not easy if you have a day cab etc,then the only way is to leave it running
I get in of a morning check oil, fire her up, tacho in, walk around check usually about 5 mins, then paper work once am clocked 10mins the air is built up oil is about the engine and that’s just on tick over then of a night handbrake on tacho out paper work clipped together stuff ready then turn engine off after about 5 mins of parking up as it prelongs the turbo
erfguy:
You just beat me to it Kr through time somebody in the service dept. is going to work out the fact that batteries and starters are suffering earlier failure rates than normal. Just picture a winter night sat in stop start traffic and it keeps stopping the old battery is going to feel the pain what with all the lights on as well might not be such a good idea then. Eddie.
Stop start cars are designed for the purpose. Beefed up batteries and starters. Have a look in Halfords next time you’re in there, there are special batteries for stop start cars
erfguy:
You just beat me to it Kr through time somebody in the service dept. is going to work out the fact that batteries and starters are suffering earlier failure rates than normal. Just picture a winter night sat in stop start traffic and it keeps stopping the old battery is going to feel the pain what with all the lights on as well might not be such a good idea then. Eddie.
With more and more company’s leasing motors, the starters and batteries are not there problem, untill they miss a timed delivery that is
All this about waiting for turbo’s to cool etc seems pointless to me. The turbo (as far as I know) needs lubrication to continue functioning, as long as that’s still happening what’s the point in waiting for five minutes?
Even a jet engine stops spinning quicker than that! People worry oil won’t get to a spinning turbo if they immediately shut off but surely maybe 10 second is enough to get the turbo speed down before shutting off?
No doubt there will be someone along soon to tell us all how modern lubricants are far better than they were only a few years ago and how there’s no need to let the engine idle for a few mins before shutting off!
What they fail to mention is modern engines run to tighter tolerances at higher temperatures and pressures than before and rely on the turbo more and more, whilst at the same time they are built as lightweight and cheap as possible
myself I never shut straight off after working the thing hard and never will, it’s not just the turbo it’s the heat in the whole engine, allowing the engine to idle for a few mins means that it can cool down whilst the coolant and oil are being pumped round which in turn reduces heat stresses in certain areas of the engine
premature wear and repairs cost money!
I don’t find it to difficult to understand
Pimpdaddy:
If the night heater doesn’t work or it’s too hot & I need air con I leave the truck engine running-not my motor, not my fuel so I don’t care, even if I got a bonus for it I’d find other ways of earning it back, my comfort & safety is more important.In my car I always leave it running for at least a minute at the end of my journey, prolongs turbo life so the mechanic I bought it from said…
I’m the same. If it’s cold & no working night heater then the engine ticks over whilst i’m on break/hanging about for whatever reason, if the issue gets raised during a debrief I just throw it back at them. Fortunately although they have the means to check up on us, I haven’t actually had a debrief or been part of any discussion about driving performance in over a year, so I don’t bother with all this ■■■■ turning the engine off at traffic lights malarky etc.
green456:
bald bloke:
Nozza:
Have to turn ours of asap.Microlise software allows 2mins of idle.Ha ha we are allowed 3 minutes, I’ll turn engine off before if I’m in our yard or rdc etc but not if I’m out on the public highway where obviously it’s because I’m stuck in traffic (our microlise knows where we are) and although all our motors are nearly new I’ve got this fear of it not starting again afterwards.
why would anyone put up with being spied upon to this extent,
its communism at its finest and people told the Russians it wouldn’t work
Didnt know the CIA or GCHQ was communist?
Moose:
No doubt there will be someone along soon to tell us all how modern lubricants are far better than they were only a few years ago and how there’s no need to let the engine idle for a few mins before shutting off!
What they fail to mention is modern engines run to tighter tolerances at higher temperatures and pressures than before and rely on the turbo more and more, whilst at the same time they are built as lightweight and cheap as possible
myself I never shut straight off after working the thing hard and never will, it’s not just the turbo it’s the heat in the whole engine, allowing the engine to idle for a few mins means that it can cool down whilst the coolant and oil are being pumped round which in turn reduces heat stresses in certain areas of the engine
premature wear and repairs cost money!
I don’t find it to difficult to understand
TBH I’m still not buying it. It’s just wasting fuel to me. Have you ever known anyone to have trouble in their engine due to “heat stresses”?
I understand where you’re coming from with heat stresses, I’m just not sure an engine gets hot enough to really experience problems with it. I know with a nuclear reactor they spend days slowly shutting them down to prevent the heat stresses, but then they are running at a much much higher temperature and pressure, and are not designed to have a sudden loss of coolant (which would be seriously bad news!).
Last year I had my car engine set up with some Snap On telemetry equipment at a garage, the coolant was circulating at 100 degrees, the same as my kettle at home, no one says you have to let a kettle gradually cool down do they? One minute it’s boiling, then it’s cooling.
We all know that the quickest way to get an engine up to temperature is to drive it, this is recommended by manufacturers. Now to me this means the engine is going from stone cold to warm/hot quite quickly, with apparently no harm. Why should cooling an engine down be any different??
I’m no engineer and am ready to be disproved 
Was told by tm that there is no need to idle them prior to turning of.Turn my straight of.Have done for the 2yrs I’ve had it.And no problems so far.So will continue to do so.