the maoster:
Companies absolutely love to create non jobs such as “compliance manager”
Health & Safety manager is the worst. The last engineering firm I worked for had one and it was a total non-job. Smallish factory with less than 100 employees. A couple of times a week he’d walk round the factory in an unblemished hi-viz and safety googles looking for things to complain about.
Yet when I complained about the night shift not having a trained first aider available I was like the anti-christ. And the miserable git grassed me to management for reading a text message while watching a video in a health and safety briefing
I got hauled into the office for this and a few other things and they asked me if I still wanted to work there expecting me to beg them to let me stay. I said no thanks, passed my Class 1 last week so cheery bye and off I went
Terry T:
If a boss makes his employees sit in a canteen for 8 hours instead of at home then IMO he’s a woman’s front bottom. It’s nothing other than spite.
So if you ran a business you’d have no problem paying people to not be at work?
As has been said, if it is all managed properly non of this is a problem. Also if drivers record break/POA properly non of this will be a problem either.
I get the impression from the OP drivers are not recording BREAK/POA properly to gain the days off and now a new boss can see what is going on and wants to sort it
Terry T:
If a boss makes his employees sit in a canteen for 8 hours instead of at home then IMO he’s a woman’s front bottom. It’s nothing other than spite.
So if you ran a business you’d have no problem paying people to not be at work?
As has been said, if it is all managed properly non of this is a problem. Also if drivers record break/POA properly non of this will be a problem either.
I get the impression from the OP drivers are not recording BREAK/POA properly to gain the days off and now a new boss can see what is going on and wants to sort it
That’s not quite what I said. If you read my first foray into this thread (the first reply) I suggested the drivers record break while waiting to be tipped to avoid the need to be stood down in the first place.
My argument was against bosses who, when standing drivers down to reduce their hours, force said drivers to sit in a canteen for 8 hours instead of letting them get some proper rest and relaxation at home.
Terry T:
That’s not quite what I said. If you read my first foray into this thread (the first reply) I suggested the drivers record break while waiting to be tipped to avoid the need to be stood down in the first place.
My argument was against bosses who, when standing drivers down to reduce their hours, force said drivers to sit in a canteen for 8 hours instead of letting them get some proper rest and relaxation at home.
Sorry I’ve not re-read all the early posts.
I suppose it depends on exact circumstances and we didn’t get the full details from the OP. I know some send them home on pay and I know some bring them in for a day and they do an hour or two of work spread out over lots of break/POA over the day and get paid. This also keeps the average down. I know plenty have no problem with keeping within the 48 hour average at all because their drivers correctly record their activities
Terry T:
If a boss makes his employees sit in a canteen for 8 hours instead of at home then IMO he’s a woman’s front bottom. It’s nothing other than spite.
So if you ran a business you’d have no problem paying people to not be at work?
As has been said, if it is all managed properly non of this is a problem. Also if drivers record break/POA properly non of this will be a problem either.
I get the impression from the OP drivers are not recording BREAK/POA properly to gain the days off and now a new boss can see what is going on and wants to sort it
the problem was shep we were told 48 hours and that was it. No poa BS to hammer us more to the ground! It would of involved them to pay double / thrice amount of drivers! GREED SIMPLE AS, blue chip companies and their cronies that be in power, plopped themselves and thought " jeez my millions are going to disappear to the WORKING CLASS! " that’s called a POA FIDDLE! remember this ministry/ vosa/ DVDs mantra ! " fatigue? We don’t want tired drivers on the road ! " 71/ 84 hours later chasing for minimum wage is BS
If the. Company tells u to sit somewhere u r at work .poa is free to do as u wish .Inc go home prior notification means u know when to return to a company specified lo action .this is work
POA is Period Of Availability. You must be ready and available to restart work when required. I think you may be mixing up POA with being stood down - two different things.
I’m hoping some of you will be able to help with some issues we are having at work. My driver’s consistently work over 48 hours a week to ensure that all depots in the company are visited. To bring the hours down we regularly stand drivers down at the end of the reference period to bring their hours back down to below the 48 limit. This POA was taken at home and although the driver’s weren’t happy about the long hours they accepted it as they knew that they would be getting their time back at the end of period.
Recently we have had a new manager who is insisting that driver’s should be using thier poa when they are waiting to tip - the waiting time for this is never known and is also insisting that the poa at the end of the reference period must be taken in the staff canteen not at home. As the legal wording of poa is a bit grey would anyone be able to tell me if this is legal?
I’ve had a look at Ross vs stobart and as far as I can tell what the manager is making the driver’s do is incorrect but her is insisting that that court case does not apply to us and is threatening disciplinary action against all the driver’s refusing to tow the line.
TIA
As i understand must a Driver pay back every Hour he was over the 48 Hour unpaid,after 13 or 26 Week.
Now,Unpaid cant be on the Company Facility.
Its not the Companies Time you got over it.Its the Drivers Time.
nomiS36:
I had this a couple of times at wincanton. They said I had to sit in the canteen for 8 hours. I protested that if I’m in the works canteen I’m at work, you can’t be at work but not technically at work. I don’t/didn’t know where I stood legally but did/do using common sense. I got away with going in, clocking on, making my presence known to the TM then slipping off home [emoji28] I think he knew but didn’t say anything because he secretly agreed with me.
I’ve pointed out before all this WTD is nonsensical. So, I book a days holiday to pull back the hours but that doesn’t work because technically I’ve still been at work for 8 hours even if I’m on a beach in the Bahamas but if I go to work for 1 minute then go home in rainy cold doncaster I’ve only done a minutes work [emoji15] go figure…
If the drivers are spending this period of POA at the end of the period how is it being recorded? It seems like the manager there has a very strange interpretation of the regulations and the law!
we were told 48 hours and that was it. No poa BS to hammer us more to the ground! It would of involved them to pay double / thrice amount of drivers! GREED SIMPLE AS, blue chip companies and their cronies that be in power, plopped themselves and thought " jeez my millions are going to disappear to the WORKING CLASS! " that’s called a POA FIDDLE! 
remember this ministry/ vosa/ DVDs mantra ! " fatigue? We don’t want tired drivers on the road ! " 
71/ 84 hours later chasing for minimum wage is BS 