Elite Transport

We removed some posts last week that suggested Elite were in some difficulty, we have now confirmed those rumours were correct and Elite have filed for a CVA
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shuttlespanker:
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[content removed] This comment has been removed while our journalists establish if what has been said is in fact the case, if correct it will be restored.

now we have the facts - and the journos now have the proof - we have made this topic to restore what was originaly said as promised

So yet again, “word on the street” was totally accurate.

I just cannot understand this paranoia about “hearsay”. I belong to an economics forum which is huge in comparison to TruckNet and a post suggesting a retailer is about to go bust (Jessops, Blockbuster and HMV were all flagged up well before they went pop) would never be deleted simply because it hadn’t been published in a newspaper or magazine yet.

It simply isn’t actionable for a company to sue an internet forum because a post has appeared suggesting that a firm is about to go bust, that firm can ask the forum owner to delete such a post and the forum owner would be wise to do so but as for claiming ruinous damages against the forum owner, it just doesn’t happen, never has and never will.

Harry Monk:
So yet again, “word on the street” was totally accurate.

I just cannot understand this paranoia about “hearsay”. I belong to an economics forum which is huge in comparison to TruckNet and a post suggesting a retailer is about to go bust (Jessops, Blockbuster and HMV were all flagged up well before they went pop) would never be deleted simply because it hadn’t been published in a newspaper or magazine yet.

It simply isn’t actionable for a company to sue an internet forum because a post has appeared suggesting that a firm is about to go bust, that firm can ask the forum owner to delete such a post and the forum owner would be wise to do so but as for claiming ruinous damages against the forum owner, it just doesn’t happen, never has and never will.

I beg to differ Harry, many of the rumours/gossip are true- but there are lot posted by folks with a grudge, or who are just mad, and some are posted just to cause trouble, the law as it stands says that if something that is damaging to a company not only the poster, but also the publisher (us)is repsonsible- we can either let everything go - and spends a lot of money defending it in court, or ask that a reliable, credible and traceable source of the info is provided- contrary to what folks might believe I dont have an unending legal budget to pay our lawyers for whats posted on here, and to ensure we dont bankrupt the company our lawyers have given us certain guidelines ,

We have said and in this shown that by this thread we will remove potentaiy damaging comments- until we can substantiate it, We managed to substaniate it so now its back,

I have said many times the way the law at this time treats website owners is totally wrong- but it hasnt been changed yet, and and it stands if someone posts a pack of lies that are damaging ( and it has happened)- and we let it stay we are in law also liable- I think its wrong, I am sure you do- but thats how the law stands

Our policy is and will remain that any “claims” have to have a verifiable , credible source- without that they will be removed

Trucknet does seem obsessed with this “hearsay” thing. Has an internet forum ever been sued by a company for comments posted there by forum members?

If I go on TripAdvisor and say abc hotel was dirty, badly run and generally a rubbish experience (even if i’ve never been there), they’ll still post it . It’s still in effect defamatory to the hotel as a business, and could cost them trade, but TripAdvisor don’t censor in this way.

Yet if I said xyz transport are running a poorly maintained dangerous fleet etc, TNUK remove it. It’s the same type of defamation as the hotel in a way, but you all seem worried, TripAdvisor don’t.

Also the swearing filter thing. This is a working men’s and women’s site. You’re worried children might be reading but there’s a LOT worse stuff available for them to see on the 'tinternet isn’t there? Sometimes swearing IS an appropriate use of language as it convey’s anger or frustration over something someone feels is important to them.

Sorry to hijack and I know this kinda belongs in the feedback forum, but felf it needed saying after above posts.

I cant say if any forum has ever been sued, I can say we dont want to be the test case, :open_mouth:
I do know we have spent a lot of money over the years on lawyers, as yet we havent been succesfully sued, in order to keep up this 100% record we will take the advice from our lawyers as to whats acceptable and what could cause us problems- until the law changes thats what we are going to stick with

Rikki-UK:
I cant say if any forum has ever been sued, I can say we dont want to be the test case, :open_mouth:
I do know we have spent a lot of money over the years on lawyers, as yet we havent been succesfully sued, in order to keep up this 100% record we will take the advice from our lawyers as to whats acceptable and what could cause us problems- until the law changes thats what we are going to stick with

Agreed, unless all these arguing are willing to cover any costs you get from being sued?

Rikki;

What do you consider to be a reliable source in such a situation?

Surely not newspapers? I wouldn’t believe the date in half of them… :laughing:

Truckulent:
Rikki;

What do you consider to be a reliable source in such a situation?

Surely not newspapers? I wouldn’t believe the date in half of them… :laughing:

Commercial Motor for one such reliable source

Rikki-UK:
I cant say if any forum has ever been sued, I can say we dont want to be the test case, :open_mouth:
I do know we have spent a lot of money over the years on lawyers, as yet we havent been succesfully sued, in order to keep up this 100% record we will take the advice from our lawyers as to whats acceptable and what could cause us problems- until the law changes thats what we are going to stick with

I am curious to know what specific forum content necessitated the need for “a lot of money” to be spent “over the years”? Please list the instances.

I am curious to know what specific forum content necessitated the need for “a lot of money” to be spent “over the years”? Please list the instances.

I am sure you are curious, :open_mouth: But the reason the content was legally liable obbviously means I am not going to reproduce it here
I will say that this site has been served with “cease and desist” notices due to content provided by members - and we via our lawyers have resisted them,
and where we cant justify the post -we remove it,

Do you remember Starsky & Hutch?

Whenever they wanted to know anything, they went to see Huggie Bear…

The word on the street is normally correct! :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe Comical Motor need some new journalists

Truckulent:
Rikki;

What do you consider to be a reliable source in such a situation?

Surely not newspapers? I wouldn’t believe the date in half of them… :laughing:

As it stands at the moment- we ask that "rumours are passed onto our editorial team to investigate- until they get verieifiable facts - we cannot allow rumour on the forum- another credible source is acceptable, My mate told me isnt

Wheel Nut:
Do you remember Starsky & Hutch?

Whenever they wanted to know anything, they went to see Huggie Bear…

The word on the street is normally correct! :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe Comical Motor need some new journalists

Myabe the difference is, the CM journalists make sure the “rumours/gossip” is correct before passing it on, even Huggy Bear got it wrong on ocassion

Wheel Nut:
Do you remember Starsky & Hutch?

Whenever they wanted to know anything, they went to see Huggie Bear…

The word on the street is normally correct! :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe Comical Motor need some new journalists

But the difference is Huggie Bear,Starsky or Hutch were never going to be sued for getting it wrong. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Carryfast:

Wheel Nut:
Do you remember Starsky & Hutch?

Whenever they wanted to know anything, they went to see Huggie Bear…

The word on the street is normally correct! :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe Comical Motor need some new journalists

But the difference is Huggie Bear,Starsky or Hutch were never going to be sued for getting it wrong. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

No they could have been shot to death

Wheel Nut:

Carryfast:

Wheel Nut:
Do you remember Starsky & Hutch?

Whenever they wanted to know anything, they went to see Huggie Bear…

The word on the street is normally correct! :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe Comical Motor need some new journalists

But the difference is Huggie Bear,Starsky or Hutch were never going to be sued for getting it wrong. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

No they could have been shot to death

With the amounts involved in American litigation that probably would have been a more preferable option. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Rikki-UK:

I am curious to know what specific forum content necessitated the need for “a lot of money” to be spent “over the years”? Please list the instances.

I am sure you are curious, :open_mouth: But the reason the content was legally liable obbviously means I am not going to reproduce it here
I will say that this site has been served with “cease and desist” notices due to content provided by members - and we via our lawyers have resisted them,
and where we cant justify the post -we remove it,

Sounds like a cop out to me. I don’t think you (or RBI) have had to spend “a lot of money” fighting lawsuits at all, it’s just scare-mongering and looks good on paper, just like your story about having a personal line to all the ISPs to get people banned from the internet whenever you say jump.

Give me a brief description of just one case where something a member has said has cost you “a lot of money”.

I once had a customer,a small tissue paper manufacturer,the Sales Director of which used to always maintain that if he needed to find out what was actually happening within XYZ Ltd.he didn’t bother going through the “normal” channels as this only provided a load of misleading “bollox” and smoke screen!! No,he would ask drivers who delivered and collected from said “firm”,he maintained that this approach never failed and in 99% of instances the info he was able to “glean” from the drivers proved correct in the long run!! Mind you he didn’t hold drivers in very high regard,he treat them as mindless morons which used to annoy me considerably.However,unfortunately he was quite right in his assessment as on every firm there are a minority of the drivers who thrive on gossip when their time would be better spent getting on with their own job and not tittle tattling all the bollox they hear from FLT drivers ect.Cheers Bewick.