Roymondo:
I hope she’s worth it
Actually I’m a female but yes, he’s worth it;)
Also as for home charging we just use a 3 pin plug instead of 7kw charger so it’s slow but better than nothing.
There’s going to be some nightmares for car users when the switch comes in. Imagine all those high rise blocks or social housing places with 30 flats and parking for 5 cars (all too common round my way). My social housing landlord always ups the rent by the max allowed annually and does less and less each year to earn it. They have a new development that’s been delayed several times due to go up opposite where I live, 24 flats and parking for just 4 vehicles. They can’t even comply with emergency repairs to loss of services such as gas or electricity as required by law, their default position is to pay compensation for each day they take beyond that required by law.
The industry will end up paying for the infrastructure for trucks but some operating centres could be a challenge. It’s bound to be a bodge as recommendations and committees will be ignored until the 11th hour then the equipment and installation will kick in moths too late.
dead.duck:
Roymondo:
I hope she’s worth itActually I’m a female but yes, he’s worth it;)
Also as for home charging we just use a 3 pin plug instead of 7kw charger so it’s slow but better than nothing.
Argghh! Sackcloth and ashes for me!
I’m still somewhat curious as to the decision process that says “Yep, we’re going ahead with an EV even though we can’t have a reasonable speed home charger”. It just seems to me to make no sense. Please tell me you do at least have your own off-street parking and are not simply trailing a cable out into the street to charge the thing!
Well, the parking issue is not a big deal as we park along the fence and the cable runs through the garden so no one is gonna trip over it. We also don’t obstruct the road. I live in a very rural area, not many houses around, no traffic actually. So even if the car is not parked properly it’s not affecting anyone.
Also when our Ford Galaxy decided to retire for good, my husband (who has always been interested in so futuristic concepts) said we were buying an EV then as they are cheaper to run, there is not much to break (the electric motor and the battery will probably live longer than me which cannot be said about other parts), and if course cleaner.
Driving this thing from Edinburgh (where we bought it) to Aberdeen was a tremendous journey… We had to learn how to use the chargers, deal with stuck cables, blocked chargers or damaged ones. The other time we decided to drive from Thurso (or whatever it is where the Orkney ferry runs) to Perth. We learnt immediately that NC500 in an EV is like a survival camp. We also had 5 kids with us. And we had a couple of lifts on a flatbed lorry.
It is a 24kWh Nissan Env with a range of 60 miles if the weather is good. Why such a small range car? There were only two choices for 7 seaters: Nissan Env and Tesla X so the choice was obvious for financial reasons. In this case the solution for longer journeys is renting a proper car which is not cheap if we go as a family.
So EV may work in a city but definitely not in a remote part of Scotland where distance to a shop is 30 miles and obviously you’re not gonna make it both ways in one charge because of you have headwind it’s gonna use up 70% of you’re battery.
We had a discussion about a car for our son to learn to drive. My husband wanted to buy a Leaf for him but I convinced him to get a manual car as otherwise it would limit his licence. My husband doesn’t see a point to learn in a manual when more and more cars are automatic and obviously EVs are as well. But eventually our family will be joined soon by a 2005 Audi a2 so I can start teaching my son (my husband won’t touch a manual).
Otherwise we agree on most things. It’s only the electric cars/new technology issues 
I think weight of batteries is an issue. 200-400kg of batteries to propel a 1500kg car (without batteries) for 200 miles. Then a recharge for a couple of hours minimum. I am not an engineer but tell me the weight of batteries required for 44 tonnes for 400 miles? Maybe a solution for urban deliveries. There were Bedford electric vans 30 years ago but nobody bought them. Back to private cars. If a person owns a 10 year old car worth £1000 and covers 100 miles a week commuting using 3 gallons of fuel where is the environmental cut off point compared to buying an electric car? A conventional car can be filled up and do 400 miles in a day. At the moment an electric car cannot. As far as max weight trunking or tramping goes it’s a non starter for at least 10 years.
I think weight of batteries is an issue. 200-400kg of batteries to propel a 1500kg car (without batteries) for 200 miles. Then a recharge for a couple of hours minimum. I am not an engineer but tell me the weight of batteries required for 44 tonnes for 400 miles? Maybe a solution for urban deliveries. There were Bedford electric vans 30 years ago but nobody bought them. Back to private cars. If a person owns a 10 year old car worth £1000 and covers 100 miles a week commuting using 3 gallons of fuel where is the environmental cut off point compared to buying an electric car? A conventional car can be filled up and do 400 miles in a day. At the moment an electric car cannot. As far as max weight trunking or tramping goes it’s a non starter for at least 10 years.
Santa:
But why muck about with all these calculations to convert gallons of petrol to and from kWh of electricity? The consumption figures are freely available and show that the EV’s can cover between 3 (for the big, heavy cars such as Mercedes, Jaguar and Tesla X) and 5 (for eg the Hyundai Ionic) miles for every kWh. Even the worst of them, using 16p per kWh electricity (which no sane owner would routinely be paying) will be using well under £600 of electricity to cover that 10,000 miles.
Let’s get this right a petrol car can cover 10,000 miles for an average consumption of 12,285 kwh contained in the fuel.
Good luck with trusting 3-5 miles per kwh as an ‘average’ consumption figure.
Although it’s obvious that the ‘inefficiency’ has just been moved down the line to the power station.That’s round 40% efficiency at the cost of burning our trees and/or nuclear disaster.
As for engine efficiency petrol engines are already being developed to provide up to 50% efficiency.
It’s not 16p per kwh it’s 16p per kwh + road fuel tax + 20% VAT.
Do you really think that any sane home owner would be using gas as a domestic fuel if electric was supposedly cheaper than gas.As I said stuff a few tonnes of automotive batteries in the shed and then find one of these elusive give away let alone negative price electric tariffs to charge them.Yeah right. 
It’s a scam.Using prederatory real or false pricing to create a captive market for a fuel that’s already been shoiwn to be unecomic unviable and at worst dangerous.In addition to mug buyers for an EV toy sold at an ICE price.
While if electric could be provided cheaply and safely and without burning our forests and woodland then what’s wrong with hydrogen fuelled ICE.
almac:
A conventional car can be filled up and do 400 miles in a day. At the moment an electric car cannot.
almac:
I think weight of batteries is an issue. 200-400kg of batteries to propel a 1500kg car (without batteries) for 200 miles. Then a recharge for a couple of hours minimum. I am not an engineer but tell me the weight of batteries required for 44 tonnes for 400 miles? Maybe a solution for urban deliveries. There were Bedford electric vans 30 years ago but nobody bought them. Back to private cars. If a person owns a 10 year old car worth £1000 and covers 100 miles a week commuting using 3 gallons of fuel where is the environmental cut off point compared to buying an electric car? A conventional car can be filled up and do 400 miles in a day. At the moment an electric car cannot. As far as max weight trunking or tramping goes it’s a non starter for at least 10 years.
Until they are actually out there, nobody knows. I have seen some plausible estimates that battery pack on the Tesla “semi” with 500 mile range will weigh in around 4,500kg. That’s heavy - although the unit itself (without batteries) might be a bit lighter than a conventional diesel as the four motors could be significantly lighter than a conventional engine/gearbox setup.
The problem with that electric CF was of course that it used conventional lead/acid batteries, which were (a) very heavy and (b) only gave it a range of about 60 miles.
As for doing 400 miles in a car - the Tesla Model S is just about there, but in reality of course does anyone routinely drive 400 miles in one hit with no stops at all? Not even for a ■■■■, a coffee and/or something to eat? A rapid charger (50kW+) will get most EVs up to around 80% charge in 20-30 minutes. If you really do make that sort of journey on a regular basis then maybe electric cars are not for you, but that simply doesn’t reflect the normal usage pattern of the vast majority of the motoring public.
switchlogic:
almac:
A conventional car can be filled up and do 400 miles in a day. At the moment an electric car cannot.0
Using the supposed 0-60 in 2.3 seconds and 402 miles range are mutually exclusive figures.
No surprise they aren’t so keen on quoting 0-100 mph or 0-120 mph.
Snake oil salesmen trying to pretend that EV’s can defy the laws of physics to create their captive market.Then all bets are off.
Meanwhile I’m going to be fitting a flue less gas fire in the living room because gas at less than 3p per kwh is a lot cheaper than using a 1.5 kw electric fan heater at 16p per kwh + 5 % VAT.
Good luck with turning on the 25 kw gas boiler let alone an electric one.
So petrol costs 12p per kwh INCLUDING 20% VAT and 6.4p duty and 20% VAT on the duty.
How does a supposed claimed 60% more fuel efficient engine help when all that same tax is added to the 16p per kwh cost of electricity resulting in a figure per kwh more than double the price of petrol.
As it stands EV users are just subsidised Electricity thieves and tax dodgers relying on others to pay their electric and tax dues then pretending to be green while trees are burnt and we face a nuclear nightmare to pay for their tax break.
Then they’ll whine like diesel car buyers did when the government ends their tax party.Let alone when oxygen levels predictably drop as trees disappear and we end up with a large part of this small Island turned into a bigger version of Chernobyl. 
Probably been covered but what happens when the motorway or Dual carriage way is stationary due to an accident and there’s a 6 (or more) hr delay for traffic? Won’t the charge be depleted and waiting vehicles will be unable to even move or complete their journey?
TomCrin:
Probably been covered but what happens when the motorway or Dual carriage way is stationary due to an accident and there’s a 6 (or more) hr delay for traffic? Won’t the charge be depleted and waiting vehicles will be unable to even move or complete their journey?
They’d be in much the same position as a petrol car. EVs normally have a conventional car battery to power lights, radio etc and, just like a petrol car, it can run the sidelights for several hours without being topped up from the main traction batteries (or, in the case of a petrol car, by running the engine).
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I question things from the bottom up so to speak, to quote an old friend of mine, “Its all to do with a little Arab man with the barrel of oil.”
How So?
- This oil is transported across the world in Electric Driven ships. (Nuclear)
- This oil is pumped off the ship using electric powered pumps.
- it is heated by electric or GAS.
- From this oil, they make bitumen, tarmacadam and roads,
- Roads need something that is less damaging than steel tracks or rims. Tyres perhaps.
- Tyres are a by product of oil
- Plastics are used to make cars. A by product of oil. Dashboards, Wipers. Trim.
- Diesel, Paraffin, Jet Fuel and Petrol are made from Oil
- Steel is made with huge amounts of heat, from, oil or gas.
- You also need oil or gas to melt the sand that the oil is hidden beneath. (Glass)
So if we all buy electric lorries and cars, we will still need a barrel of oil from the little Arab man!
Electric has to be generated by burning, coal, oil, gas or cat litter. 
Wheel Nut:
I question things from the bottom up so to speak, to quote an old friend of mine, “Its all to do with a little Arab man with the barrel of oil.”How So?
- This oil is transported across the world in Electric Driven ships. (Nuclear)
- This oil is pumped off the ship using electric powered pumps.
- it is heated by electric or GAS.
- From this oil, they make bitumen, tarmacadam and roads,
- Roads need something that is less damaging than steel tracks or rims. Tyres perhaps.
- Tyres are a by product of oil
- Plastics are used to make cars. A by product of oil. Dashboards, Wipers. Trim.
- Diesel, Paraffin, Jet Fuel and Petrol are made from Oil
- Steel is made with huge amounts of heat, from, oil or gas.
- You also need oil or gas to melt the sand that the oil is hidden beneath. (Glass)
So if we all buy electric lorries and cars, we will still need a barrel of oil from the little Arab man!
Electric has to be generated by burning, coal, oil, gas or cat litter.
Ih dear… where to start?
Your starter for one. Nuclear freight ships… 
Oh, and can somebody explain what those big pointy whirling things are that I see everywhere? And has anybody else noticed how farmers are installing all these shelters for their sheep? Very considered…
Wheel Nut:
I question things from the bottom up so to speak, to quote an old friend of mine, “Its all to do with a little Arab man with the barrel of oil.”How So?
- This oil is transported across the world in Electric Driven ships. (Nuclear)
- This oil is pumped off the ship using electric powered pumps.
- it is heated by electric or GAS.
- From this oil, they make bitumen, tarmacadam and roads,
- Roads need something that is less damaging than steel tracks or rims. Tyres perhaps.
- Tyres are a by product of oil
- Plastics are used to make cars. A by product of oil. Dashboards, Wipers. Trim.
- Diesel, Paraffin, Jet Fuel and Petrol are made from Oil
- Steel is made with huge amounts of heat, from, oil or gas.
- You also need oil or gas to melt the sand that the oil is hidden beneath. (Glass)
So if we all buy electric lorries and cars, we will still need a barrel of oil from the little Arab man!
Electric has to be generated by burning, coal, oil, gas or cat litter.
Questioning your post, “from the bottom up” as you do:
“Electric has to be generated by burning, coal, oil, gas or cat litter. ”
Is not true. Electricity is being increasingly produced from wind, tide, sunlight, as well as existing nuclear.
So your foundation is very shaky.
Plastics can be replaced with different materials.
bbc.com/future/article/2019 … ce-plastic
Certainly not overnight, but it is happening.
If there is not enough polymer as a refinery byproduct for tyres or roads then other materials will be found and used.
Fossil fuel is no longer needed for even aircraft
euractiv.com/section/aviati … er-the-uk/
The current planes, using batteries, aren`t too good, but they are designed to be using hydrogen fuel cells, and when cleared for that will be much better.
Steel production using hydrogen is starting too:
greenbiz.com/article/it-pos … ssil-fuels
Will fossil fuels become redundant overnight? No.
But they will become less important over time.
Wheel Nut:
Electric has to be generated by burning, coal, oil, gas or cat litter.
Or nuclear, wind, solar, hydro or waves.
Cue Carryfast ranting on about a treeless barren world after the nuclear holocaust
Wheel Nut:
I question things from the bottom up so to speak, to quote an old friend of mine, “Its all to do with a little Arab man with the barrel of oil.”How So?
- This oil is transported across the world in Electric Driven ships. (Nuclear)
- This oil is pumped off the ship using electric powered pumps.
- it is heated by electric or GAS.
- From this oil, they make bitumen, tarmacadam and roads,
- Roads need something that is less damaging than steel tracks or rims. Tyres perhaps.
- Tyres are a by product of oil
- Plastics are used to make cars. A by product of oil. Dashboards, Wipers. Trim.
- Diesel, Paraffin, Jet Fuel and Petrol are made from Oil
- Steel is made with huge amounts of heat, from, oil or gas.
- You also need oil or gas to melt the sand that the oil is hidden beneath. (Glass)
So if we all buy electric lorries and cars, we will still need a barrel of oil from the little Arab man!
Electric has to be generated by burning, coal, oil, gas or cat litter.
‘The little Arab man’ doesn’t sound racist at all. Not. At. All.
Franglais:
Wheel Nut:
I question things from the bottom up so to speak, to quote an old friend of mine, “Its all to do with a little Arab man with the barrel of oil.”How So?
- This oil is transported across the world in Electric Driven ships. (Nuclear)
- This oil is pumped off the ship using electric powered pumps.
- it is heated by electric or GAS.
- From this oil, they make bitumen, tarmacadam and roads,
- Roads need something that is less damaging than steel tracks or rims. Tyres perhaps.
- Tyres are a by product of oil
- Plastics are used to make cars. A by product of oil. Dashboards, Wipers. Trim.
- Diesel, Paraffin, Jet Fuel and Petrol are made from Oil
- Steel is made with huge amounts of heat, from, oil or gas.
- You also need oil or gas to melt the sand that the oil is hidden beneath. (Glass)
So if we all buy electric lorries and cars, we will still need a barrel of oil from the little Arab man!
Electric has to be generated by burning, coal, oil, gas or cat litter.
Questioning your post, “from the bottom up” as you do:
“Electric has to be generated by burning, coal, oil, gas or cat litter.
Is not true. Electricity is being increasingly produced from wind, tide, sunlight, as well as existing nuclear.
So your foundation is very shaky.Plastics can be replaced with different materials.
bbc.com/future/article/2019 … ce-plastic
Certainly not overnight, but it is happening.
If there is not enough polymer as a refinery byproduct for tyres or roads then other materials will be found and used.Fossil fuel is no longer needed for even aircraft
euractiv.com/section/aviati … er-the-uk/
The current planes, using batteries, aren`t too good, but they are designed to be using hydrogen fuel cells, and when cleared for that will be much better.Steel production using hydrogen is starting too:
greenbiz.com/article/it-pos … ssil-fuelsWill fossil fuels become redundant overnight? No.
But they will become less important over time.
The high cost of producing hydrogen relies on superheated steam, Nitrogen used for Freezing needs Heating. My oxygen generator in the bedroom needs a lot of power and will be unbearable in summer with the heat it expels.
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switchlogic:
Wheel Nut:
I question things from the bottom up so to speak, to quote an old friend of mine, “Its all to do with a little Arab man with the barrel of oil.”How So?
- This oil is transported across the world in Electric Driven ships. (Nuclear)
- This oil is pumped off the ship using electric powered pumps.
- it is heated by electric or GAS.
- From this oil, they make bitumen, tarmacadam and roads,
- Roads need something that is less damaging than steel tracks or rims. Tyres perhaps.
- Tyres are a by product of oil
- Plastics are used to make cars. A by product of oil. Dashboards, Wipers. Trim.
- Diesel, Paraffin, Jet Fuel and Petrol are made from Oil
- Steel is made with huge amounts of heat, from, oil or gas.
- You also need oil or gas to melt the sand that the oil is hidden beneath. (Glass)
So if we all buy electric lorries and cars, we will still need a barrel of oil from the little Arab man!
Electric has to be generated by burning, coal, oil, gas or cat litter.
‘The little Arab man’ doesn’t sound racist at all. Not. At. All.
Size-ist ?
What about big Arab men? Or big Texans, small Scots?