Election 2015 exit poll

Juddian:
I had great hopes of UKIP gaining fair number of MP’s and being in the position the Lib Dems found themselves last time, but it wasn’t to be.

Congratulations must be offered to Cameron and the Tory party, they won, whether the next 5 years will bring all that is promised remains to be seen, but it’s all up to the Tories now because they got the majority they wanted.

Interestingly the result now gives tory backbenchers some clout they didn’t have when candle in the wind Clegg was up for sale, they can ignore the labour party and the SNP, doesn’t matter how much the little Scottish woman jumps up and down as tight lipped as ever, Cameron can laugh up his sleeve cos it’s votes that count and he’s got the most in the House.

Labour has the chance to rebuild itself now, whether it has the will and can find someone with some backbone (a real person who’s actually worked for a living) to lead it is another question, it used to be the anti EU party until Harold Wilson sold out, it could make a comeback by actually being a party of the working man and woman, unfortunately it relies too much on unions who have (with some notable exceptions) ignored and trodden roughshod over the genuine working class in favour of the doctrine of Lucifer Blair.

Lib Dems have had it for at least a couple of decades, Greens won’t do any good whilst they have the mad Aussie bird as leader.

The brother will be keeping an eye on how the torys are doing and the general public feeling of them mid way through this term, then if things look to be favourable to change next time he will resurface at the forefront, if anything was a fix it was Ed’s win in the leadership vote as labour knew they wouldn’t win a raffle let alone an election for 10 years so they were not going to sacrifice David to the period of leadership Ed has had to endure of no hope whatsoever.

Labour needs to break away from unions dictating to them as they will make the leader the person that panders to them not the person who can win the floating voter.
That’s why Michael Foot got the job over Denis Healey and why Ed Milliband got the job over his brother.

wheelnutt:

Coffeeholic:
Hopefully the Union will be no more within 5 years.

You may want to read up a bit on how the union works, there is no way the Scots can leave, it is entirely up to the English and rightly so after we bailed you guys out, price of failure.

DELUDED DOESNT EVEN COVER THAT COMMENT . the union is finished poverty austerity and the dismantling of our nhs .in order for us to make missiles will end it . clock ticking

huggy:

wheelnutt:

Coffeeholic:
Hopefully the Union will be no more within 5 years.

You may want to read up a bit on how the union works, there is no way the Scots can leave, it is entirely up to the English and rightly so after we bailed you guys out, price of failure.

DELUDED DOESNT EVEN COVER THAT COMMENT . the union is finished poverty austerity and the dismantling of our nhs .in order for us to make missiles will end it . clock ticking

Security has to come first in my book, whether it’s the country you live in or the house you live in. The same principle applies to both. It’s no use spending to make your home a better place to live in if you don’t FIRST spend some on an decent lock for your front door. There are some nasty people/countries out there.
Regards. John.

kr79:
Labour needs to break away from unions dictating to them as they will make the leader the person that panders to them not the person who can win the floating voter.
That’s why Michael Foot got the job over Denis Healey and why Ed Milliband got the job over his brother.

The problem isn’t the unions having a large say in what the ‘Labour’ Party does.It is the fact that the unions have too often followed the Socialist agenda.But make no mistake the real ideological difference between Cons and Labour would/should be just as big if not bigger and strong unions will/would need to be an essential part in that.While the idea of the ‘floating’ voter is an issue of ‘pandering’ to a vote which is basically too stupid to understand all the basic differences in ideology and policy and therefore hasn’t got a clue what it is voting for or why.God help us if if it comes to a government based on that being the idea.

switchlogic:
Not bad, only took to the fourth page before old Carry wheeled out the Confederacy.

Bearing in mind that Cameron and Boris are obviously trying to Con the Scots ( and the rest of the country ) into thinking that Federal government means ‘devolved’/‘sovereign’ government the Scots obviously needed the education as to the essential difference.

As for Sturgeon I don’t think her agenda is ignorance in that regard.It is more the fact that,as a socialist,she knows that her so called ‘nationalist’/independence stance,contradicts here support for the EU ‘federation’ and her own ideology which,like the Cons,is ideologically federalist. :unamused:

While it is no surprise that an ideologically federalist/unionist party would take a federalist line while trying to dress it up as so called sovereign devolution.Just as they will if/when it comes to another vote on EU membership. :unamused:

old 67:

huggy:

the union is finished poverty austerity and the dismantling of our nhs .in order for us to make missiles will end it . clock ticking

Security has to come first in my book, whether it’s the country you live in or the house you live in. The same principle applies to both. It’s no use spending to make your home a better place to live in if you don’t FIRST spend some on an decent lock for your front door. There are some nasty people/countries out there.
Regards. John.
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Realistically the Brit ‘nuclear deterrent’ is just another branch of the US one and there’s no way that the US government would allow its unilateral use.Therefore there’s no reason as to why we couldn’t/shouldn’t just move it to share the US nuclear submarine bases if the Scots don’t want it there.

As for defence we’re allowing one of our largest threats to just walk in.While we’ve already cut defence spending to the bone in large part because of our net EU contributions and if the voters really had a clue in that regard it obviously would have been a UKIP landslide. :unamused:

Carryfast:

kr79:
Labour needs to break away from unions dictating to them as they will make the leader the person that panders to them not the person who can win the floating voter.
That’s why Michael Foot got the job over Denis Healey and why Ed Milliband got the job over his brother.

The problem isn’t the unions having a large say in what the ‘Labour’ Party does.It is the fact that the unions have too often followed the Socialist agenda.But make no mistake the real ideological difference between Cons and Labour would/should be just as big if not bigger and strong unions will/would need to be an essential part in that.While the idea of the ‘floating’ voter is an issue of ‘pandering’ to a vote which is basically too stupid to understand all the basic differences in ideology and policy and therefore hasn’t got a clue what it is voting for or why.God help us if if it comes to a government based on that being the idea.

There should no ideological agenda at all. People preaching socialist, anti-capitalist spiel, including you carryfast, should be shipped east, where you can argue amongst your comrades as much as you like. The rest of us will enjoy a liberal democracy. When will people like you understand that a country has to make money before it can spend money. Labour was bankrupting this country, and if they had got in again, they would of finished the job.

Janos:
There should no ideological agenda at all. People preaching socialist, anti-capitalist spiel, including you carryfast, should be shipped east, where you can argue amongst your comrades as much as you like. The rest of us will enjoy a liberal democracy. When will people like you understand that a country has to make money before it can spend money. Labour was bankrupting this country, and if they had got in again, they would of finished the job.

Firstly you do realise that the nearest thing to what you describe is a LibDem vote which even then isn’t totally ideologically neutral in being basically an ideologically federalist Party.While the Cons are as ideolologically federalist as it gets.

While how does an anti federalist stance and a 1960’s US type economic policy,based on domestic manufacturing not imports,and strong unions translate as anti capitalist Labour in your view.Bearing in mind that a weak downtrodden low paid working class is actually a mark of the Communist system not Capitalist and that Shore’s ideas that I actually support were never allowed to take off by the so called ‘Labour’ elite. :unamused: :unamused:

cav551:
What I think is so amusing is all the celebrations by the SNP and their 56 MPs, talk of their opposition to cuts and Nicola Sturgeon’s influence on the course of the next parliament. What rubbish they are a total irrelevance, Cameron has a majority, he can ignore them and do exactly as he pleases; which is what he will do. None of the other parties is going to have a serious attempt to bring down this tory government for the simple reason that they cannot afford the cost of running another election campaign; whereas Cameron merely has to snap his fingers and and the CBI will ensure that his party coffers are overflowing.

The “Sheriff of Nottingham” has indeed returned.

To paraphase the Alan Rickman incarnation…

“We treat the people like dirt, and they vote us back in with a Majority!”

Immigration will alter the demographics by 2020 that will expose the fact that the underlying problem with demographics in this country - is that poor people sprog more than rich people, and have done for some time. Immigrants sprog more than home-grown Brits as well. With alternative outlets for this “silent & growing” population crushed this time around - by 2020 we’ll see a number of changes of attrition that make the 2020 result more scary than ever…

(1) More immigration, thanks to UKIP having no place in Government in the interim
(2) Less benefits for Home-Grown Brits, so they will eventually become indestinguishable (if they are not already) from “sponging immigrants”
(3) The “Grey Vote” that perhaps just nudged Cameron over the line this week - some of them are going to have popped their clogs by 2020, and won’t be there to “keep him in” come that day.
(4) The Pension scandal of “There’s no money - we nicked it all years ago” will become more apparent by 2020 when a whole lot of people close to retirement now will find out that there “defined contributions” pension plans are nothing more than a looted tomb - Look good when you’re already very dead within one - but look very bad when found totally empty when you expected to find a huge wedge there.

Labour’s Pension Grab took some of the money,
The Tory’s inability to punish and reform the financial system accounts for the rest that “isn’t there anymore”.
A pension fund making 1% per year with 2% overhead charges applied - gets less and less each and every year - so the people furthest from retirement right now will feel it the worst, but until “final salary” schemes stop maturing as they continue to do so at present, the public are shielded from this scandal-in-waiting.
Right now, if an individual such as one of us “retires” and finds their pension “disappointing” let’s say… Everyone will say “Well, you picked the wrong plan bud” or “Everyone else’s seemed to do allright bud” - basically “I’m alright Jack” - that old Tory ideal.

Fast forward to 2020 when the majority of maturing pensions by this point will be “depleted” at best - leaving those who’ve paid in over-the-odds amounts for years and years - facing not only an impoverished retirement through no fault of their own - but a public who say “Hah! That’s YOUR fault - You picked the wrong plan! - I’m alright jack!” still.
There’s already an indisious movement within Toryism who want the public to think of pensioners as “another branch of benefit scroungers”…
This, I believe is to “set up the public psyche” for when this scandal eventually breaks…

"Hey my pension has been looted a lot more than I thought!
“It’s all Labour’s pension grab in the early naughties…”
“erm… but what about all the money I’ve paid in over the ensuing years, most of them under Osbourne?”
“It’s all Labours pension grab in the early naughties…”
“But what about the charges put to each pension pot every year that are more than the profit they made on the fund that year?”
“It’s all Labour not reforming the banking system in the wake of the 2008 crisis”
“I’ve got nothing left! - I’ve paid into the system for years, and now I have nothing because you’ve let the (unreformed) financial system loot the lion’s share of the money away!”
“So…You’re a benefit scrounger now then my son… Everyone hates you - we’ve since engineered it that way. We’re a government of people that still have money - not those who used to vote for us, used to have money, but now do not… Be off with you oh worker of 50 years who really thought that us “pushing retirement age out further” was about increasing you pension. It wasn’t It was to defer you finding out (too late for you of course!) that you’ve been conned your whole life, and by the time you’ve found out - no one will listen to you like they didn’t listen to “other prophets of doom” like Nigel Farage over a decade ago…”
“I might as well commit suicide then… Yes. A Roman Exit seems to have the correct amount of “Dignitas” here…”
“We’ve got a tax for that…”

“No change” in terms of reforms that should have been done - but were not - are going to exact a heavier price under a government closer to the financial industry than the previous one. :frowning:

Winseer i have to say this…oh and another excellent post by the way.

WTF are you poncing about driving lorries for, you’re one of the most articulate written posters i’ve seen on any forum and you stand out a mile because there’s bloody heaps of common sense in your postings, your posts whilst long don’t bore, especially convincing as you’re a genuine working class working man, something the champagne socialists/libs/tories can never be nor ever convince because they haven’t been there nor got the T shirt.

Have you submitted any blog posts to somewhere like Orphans of Liberty or thought about contributing to Breitbart London.

There’s a serious journalist with patriotic conviction lurking inside if i may say so, you should seriously consider using that brain and the written word to make a living, you could write speeches, anything.

Well aren’t we a cheery bunch, we might as well all go outside & end it all now. Some of you are going to be truly gutted if this country moves forward aren’t you. I think I’ll just have to rely on the government doing a good job for us, creating more work & higher pay.
Last time I checked the gray vote is only getting bigger not smaller, by your reckoning that means they will keep the Tories in for quite a while. Wether it will be long enough for the Labour Party to reinvent itself is anyone’s guess.
When it’s all totalled up it doesn’t matter who is in No10 to people at our level, we’d still be turning up for work come Monday. If you want to work you’ll find work, if you want to sit on your backside at home & whine about the unfairness of it all, all the immigrants coming here & taking your job then do so, if you want to worry about the national debt, trident, snp or whatever then crack on, chances are you would be doing that no matter who was in charge.
Winseer it been said before but you do write very well, even if I don’t agree with it all.

Firstly the fact that the pensions are just a scam set up by an industry that isn’t in it for the pensioners’ benefit is nothing new.With low interest rates,charges and a payout formula based on the idea that the claimant won’t live on average to get all the money owed back a given.However luckily,with the exception of the state pension scam,everyone has the choice not to get involved.Which still leaves the issue of the lose lose situation of low wages and low interest rates which all reduce the potential for retirement provision.

While the benefits system is just there as another scam that’s all about diverting attention away from the wage levels required to pay for decent private cover.Then to add insult to injury,unlike private cover,the state income protection insurance provider,paints claimants as scroungers in order to maximise the tax potential v liabilities of the system.

Then added to which is an economy based on the idea of minimising income levels for the working class by rigging the labour market against them with an open door immigration policy.The biggest scroungers and parasites on the economy in that case being the CBI and the banks.

Then even knowing all that we’ve got the largest vote going to the Cons and Labour who’ve shown themselves to be at the forefront in supporting and/or facilitating the scam. :open_mouth: :unamused:

There is some top-quality straw-grabbing from one or two of the normal suspects in this thread… :laughing:

Own Account Driver:
Er, not really last time I checked. One party forms a government and the rest are in opposition.

Thanks for that, I would never have realised.

Own Account Driver:
Now UKIP enjoy substantially more popular support it will be very hard for them to be so easily ignored.

The media has largely been ignoring Nige and his buddies for the past couple of months and make no mistake, it is the media which governs what the population thinks, not political parties.

Own Account Driver:
Support will grow, not fall, there’s still plenty of Tory voters, and probably Labour too, who believe their parties can do something to sort immigration. At some point they’ll wake up and defect to UKIP.

Not likely. If Cameron keeps to his word and holds an in/out referendum then regardless of the result, UKIP will drift away into the ether if they haven’t done so already.

Carryfast:
Firstly the fact that the pensions are just a scam set up by an industry that isn’t in it for the pensioners’ benefit is nothing new.

You are certifiably crazy. The pension ‘scam’ that I am part of includes my employer contributing 5% of my salary to it at no cost to myself. I don’t know about you but I regard that as being to my benefit.

Aren’t the Tories committed to raising the state pension? It was Labour who opened the floodgates to immigrants. Was it not Gordon Brown who introduced a tax on dividends, decimating the returns on private pensions?. The Labour Government wrecked the economy, reducing any chance on a decent return on UK equities, and the global recession eroded any returns worldwide. There are many other reasons why private pensions return poorly too. What private company can afford to pay somebody a final salary pension? How can forty years work pay thirty years pension?
The public sector pension bill is over a trillion pounds. Remember that when you pay your taxes. You can thank the public sector unions for that, and lots of other concessions that people in the private sector can only dream about.

Olog Hai:

Carryfast:
Firstly the fact that the pensions are just a scam set up by an industry that isn’t in it for the pensioners’ benefit is nothing new.

You are certifiably crazy. The pension ‘scam’ that I am part of includes my employer contributing 5% of my salary to it at no cost to myself. I don’t know about you but I regard that as being to my benefit.

Or to look at it another way your actual total salary is automatically deducted to cover an uncertain amount,in real terms,of deferred wages on retirement.Bearing in mind that the total contributions are dependent on your continuing employment in an environment where no guarantee of a job for working life and minimising wages are seen as a good thing and it is in the pension provider’s interests to maximise the contributions profitability potential of the scheme,while minimising the eventual payout liability. :bulb: :unamused:

Janos:
Aren’t the Tories committed to raising the state pension? It was Labour who opened the floodgates to immigrants. Was it not Gordon Brown who introduced a tax on dividends, decimating the returns on private pensions?. The Labour Government wrecked the economy, reducing any chance on a decent return on UK equities, and the global recession eroded any returns worldwide. There are many other reasons why private pensions return poorly too. What private company can afford to pay somebody a final salary pension? How can forty years work pay thirty years pension?
The public sector pension bill is over a trillion pounds. Remember that when you pay your taxes. You can thank the public sector unions for that, and lots of other concessions that people in the private sector can only dream about.

Both Labour and the Cons have historically run an economy based on minimising wage levels by rigging the labour market into a situation over supply and the realisation that a dependent immigrant population is also a good source of votes.Which is why Powell was exiled by his own Party.While Labour are also ideologically lumbered with a socialist pro immigration agenda.

Olog Hai:
The media has largely been ignoring Nige and his buddies for the past couple of months and make no mistake, it is the media which governs what the population thinks, not political parties.
If Cameron keeps to his word and holds an in/out referendum then regardless of the result, UKIP will drift away into the ether if they haven’t done so already.

If UKIP does give up it will be because of the realisation that you’re right the establishment controls a naive uninformed population’s voting intentions by way of negative biased propaganda directed against any potential threat to that establishment agenda.

While ‘if’ Cameron does keep his word it will be the same propaganda whitewash,in favour of the Con unionist/federalist cause,as it was in 1975.

Carryfast:

Olog Hai:

Carryfast:
Firstly the fact that the pensions are just a scam set up by an industry that isn’t in it for the pensioners’ benefit is nothing new.

You are certifiably crazy. The pension ‘scam’ that I am part of includes my employer contributing 5% of my salary to it at no cost to myself. I don’t know about you but I regard that as being to my benefit.

Or to look at it another way your actual total salary is automatically deducted to cover an uncertain amount,in real terms,of deferred wages on retirement.Bearing in mind that the total contributions are dependent on your continuing employment in an environment where no guarantee of a job for working life and minimising wages are seen as a good thing and it is in the pension provider’s interests to maximise the contributions profitability potential of the scheme,while minimising the eventual payout liability. :bulb: :unamused:

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