I can’t see your post lasting long before its removed.
Winseer:
scottishtrucker:
wheelnutt:
Thank you voters for keeping Cameron in No. 10. This is the best for the country and I am looking forward to the next 5 years.Now let’s work on restructuring Scottish consituencies so this farce with Scottish votes only counting for 4% of the population but having 9% of the seats won’t happen again. Todays vote will be good for NI and England and rightfully so.
Well done electorate, well done.
Where you getting the 4%? strange comment
4% of people in the whole United Kondom as it stands live in Scotland. They’ve got 9% of the seats, 56 from 650.
Ukip got 3.8 million votes - more than the Libdems and SNP put together - and net LOST a seat, having not even gained South Thanet for Farage himself.
SNP get gained practically seat-for-seat the wards lost by the Libdems - and UKIP lose one net seat… Great.
Nationalism is alive and well in Scotland, and totally dead now in England.
Immigrants voting Labour have prevented the anticipated surge from middle englanders to UKIP from having any more effect than coming “second” in over 100 wards.
“Second” has no place ticket however.
UKIP cannot revive until we now pass through the 10th plane Hell and come out the other side.“When you find yourself in hell - Keep moving.”
Winston Churchill
Think you will find scotland is 8.5$ of the population hence the 9%of the seats it’s pretty simple maths. The snp were only standing in scotland so your ukip example is a bit of a stupid comment try engaging the brain before spouting mince.
What I think is so amusing is all the celebrations by the SNP and their 56 MPs, talk of their opposition to cuts and Nicola Sturgeon’s influence on the course of the next parliament. What rubbish they are a total irrelevance, Cameron has a majority, he can ignore them and do exactly as he pleases; which is what he will do. None of the other parties is going to have a serious attempt to bring down this tory government for the simple reason that they cannot afford the cost of running another election campaign; whereas Cameron merely has to snap his fingers and and the CBI will ensure that his party coffers are overflowing.
Dave the Renegade:
I can’t see your post lasting long before its removed.
The post you refer to lasted about 20 minutes. 
Colingl:
Dave the Renegade:
I can’t see your post lasting long before its removed.The post you refer to lasted about 20 minutes.
And you beat me to it by about 2 seconds. 
kr79:
Blimey Geoff you could give an asprin a headache. I voted ukip as none of the main party’s seemed to offer me anything and I think the EU is a second rate system
Sadly many white working class Brits see the torys as the best of a bad lot.
Speaking as a white working class london er who owns a house and wants my kid to do better labour seem to stifle that ambition.
Tristan hunt who was labours education spokesman wanted to get rid of private schools I’m doing my upmost to get the cash to give my kid a private education as I think it’s the greatest gift you can give a kid. Years ago bright working class kids got the chance to escape through grammar scoops now they can’t and to me that’s what labour should be about
I think you’re applying some stereotypes there.Both the typical Tory idea of grammar schools and the typical socialist idea of secondary modern/comprehensive etc etc are just ideologically based indoctrination centres in which many people,like myself,just chose to reject both as being totally irrelevant.In which case firstly I deliberately chose to ‘fail’ my 11 + by telling the teachers I wasn’t interested in their crap exam even if I could understand the questions in it 
and the raising of the school leaving age was a disaster from my own point of view in wanting to leave the socialist version of that indoctrination programme ASAP and get out to work and start earning some money.
In that case the argument wasn’t/shouldn’t be one of ‘education’ but one of ‘industrial’ blue collar jobs being viewed as less worthy of social status and income as non productive clerical white collar type jobs.IE as usual socialism diverted an argument that ‘should’ have been all about societal discrimination and discriminatory wage rates into one of educational class war based on the politics of envy.In just the same way as Tory ideology did regards same on their side.
While the issue between UKIP v Con is/should be all about federalism v anti federalism and the working class fight against rigging of the labour market using immigrant labour.Voting Con instead won’t fix any of that
In which case it is possible to be white working class and not stupid but having no interest whatsoever in the pre work education system of whatever type.In which case anyone with that view won’t thank either their parents or the system for using them as a political football. 
While the issue between UKIP v Con is/should be all about the Cons being ideolically federalist v anti federalist in which we are net contributors for the privilege and the Cons inherent policy of rigging the labour market using cheap immigrant labour and imported manufactured goods.
In which case it is anyone’s guess why the Cons would be seen as any better than Lab or LibDem from the point of view of the working class vote.Other than possibly the electoral bribe of a cut price council house built on a massive estate in the Green Belt outside London’s urban sprawl. 
cav551:
What I think is so amusing is all the celebrations by the SNP and their 56 MPs, talk of their opposition to cuts and Nicola Sturgeon’s influence on the course of the next parliament. What rubbish they are a total irrelevance, Cameron has a majority, he can ignore them and do exactly as he pleases; which is what he will do. None of the other parties is going to have a serious attempt to bring down this tory government for the simple reason that they cannot afford the cost of running another election campaign; whereas Cameron merely has to snap his fingers and and the CBI will ensure that his party coffers are overflowing.
What could possibly go wrong.
cav551:
What I think is so amusing is all the celebrations by the SNP and their 56 MPs, talk of their opposition to cuts and Nicola Sturgeon’s influence on the course of the next parliament. What rubbish they are a total irrelevance, Cameron has a majority, he can ignore them and do exactly as he pleases; which is what he will do. None of the other parties is going to have a serious attempt to bring down this tory government for the simple reason that they cannot afford the cost of running another election campaign; whereas Cameron merely has to snap his fingers and and the CBI will ensure that his party coffers are overflowing.
Why is it amusing? One of the first statements cameron made was about passing home rule to scotland as well as boris johnson if scotland voted for the red torys it would have been business as usual but with 56 snp mp’s it’s a clear message to them if they really care for the union then ignoring scotland isn’t an option anymore as it would just lead to independence sooner rather than later, independence is certain it’s just the timing that’s in doubt the union is over.
scottishtrucker:
Why is it amusing? One of the first statements cameron made was about passing home rule to scotland as well as boris johnson if scotland voted for the red torys it would have been business as usual but with 56 snp mp’s it’s a clear message to them if they really care for the union then ignoring scotland isn’t an option anymore as it would just lead to independence sooner rather than later, independence is certain it’s just the timing that’s in doubt the union is over.
That post contains the contradiction that Cameron is up against.IE why would he need to ‘care’ about a ‘union’ that is no longer relevant and which effectively no longer exists.
I don’t think that there would be any doubt from the point when we inevitably see English cuts in budget provision per head to pay for Scottish increases.Then Cameron’s new found ‘support’ starts asking questions as to why the Scottish are worth more per head as part of the UK than the English.
Which leaves the only other option that the Cons hold the majority in the UK government and then enforce the equalisation of the budget per head by ditching the Barnett formula to start with.What then ■■. Your move.
Own Account Driver:
Olog Hai:
Coffeeholic:
UKIP lot were looking very dejected after their spectacular failure.Good. Despite predictions from the usual experts on here the UKIP ‘threat’ has come to naught, as those people whose jobs require them to know a bit about politics have always said it would. Even The Leader failed although to give him an ounce of credit he has done the right thing afterwards.
UKIP: Here today, gone tomorrow.
Nearly half the total votes that Labour got from a party that didn’t have an MP until last year.
Don’t forget a good chunk of Conservative votes will be anti-europe and immigration.
But it doesn’t matter. There is one winner and everyone else loses, and I am very glad to see that with one exception out of 650 seats UKIP finds itself among the latter group. Farage gave it a good go but he and his party came up short. It’s time to put the whole UKIP ■■■■■■■■ to bed once and for all, and mercifully that is exactly what will now happen.
Olog Hai:
There is one winner and everyone else loses, and I am very glad to see that with one exception out of 650 seats UKIP finds itself among the latter group. Farage gave it a good go but he and his party came up short. It’s time to put the whole UKIP ■■■■■■■■ to bed once and for all, and mercifully that is exactly what will now happen.
By that logic all the losing Parties have to disband leaving the country a one party state without opposition held to ransom by the EU and the immigrant vote.In which case it is probably irrelevant who won or lost in therms of the LabLibdemCon alliance anyway.
Olog Hai:
Own Account Driver:
Olog Hai:
Coffeeholic:
UKIP lot were looking very dejected after their spectacular failure.Good. Despite predictions from the usual experts on here the UKIP ‘threat’ has come to naught, as those people whose jobs require them to know a bit about politics have always said it would. Even The Leader failed although to give him an ounce of credit he has done the right thing afterwards.
UKIP: Here today, gone tomorrow.
Nearly half the total votes that Labour got from a party that didn’t have an MP until last year.
Don’t forget a good chunk of Conservative votes will be anti-europe and immigration.
But it doesn’t matter. There is one winner and everyone else loses, and I am very glad to see that with one exception out of 650 seats UKIP finds itself among the latter group. Farage gave it a good go but he and his party came up short. It’s time to put the whole UKIP ■■■■■■■■ to bed once and for all, and mercifully that is exactly what will now happen.
Er, not really last time I checked. One party forms a government and the rest are in opposition. Prior to the coalition Lib Dem views on policies were frequently aired on the main BBC news. Now UKIP enjoy substantially more popular support it will be very hard for them to be so easily ignored.
Support will grow, not fall, there’s still plenty of Tory voters, and probably Labour too, who believe their parties can do something to sort immigration. At some point they’ll wake up and defect to UKIP.
Own Account Driver:
Olog Hai:
it doesn’t matter. There is one winner and everyone else loses, and I am very glad to see that with one exception out of 650 seats UKIP finds itself among the latter group. Farage gave it a good go but he and his party came up short. It’s time to put the whole UKIP ■■■■■■■■ to bed once and for all, and mercifully that is exactly what will now happen.Er, not really last time I checked. One party forms a government and the rest are in opposition. Prior to the coalition Lib Dem views on policies were frequently aired on the main BBC news. Now UKIP enjoy substantially more popular support it will be very hard for them to be so easily ignored.
In terms of vote numbers UKIP is more or less where the Libs were in 1979 which at least got them 11 seats then.
Realistically the establishment doesn’t like any threat to the socialist,federalist and cheap labour immigration agenda.Which probably explains the double standards idea of UKIP support being called on to disband after an election loss based on first past the post.But obviously not directed the same at Labour and LibDem etc.While technically even the SNP would fit the description of ‘lost’.
Carryfast:
scottishtrucker:
Why is it amusing? One of the first statements cameron made was about passing home rule to scotland as well as boris johnson if scotland voted for the red torys it would have been business as usual but with 56 snp mp’s it’s a clear message to them if they really care for the union then ignoring scotland isn’t an option anymore as it would just lead to independence sooner rather than later, independence is certain it’s just the timing that’s in doubt the union is over.That post contains the contradiction that Cameron is up against.IE why would he need to ‘care’ about a ‘union’ that is no longer relevant and which effectively no longer exists.
I don’t think that there would be any doubt from the point when we inevitably see English cuts in budget provision per head to pay for Scottish increases.Then Cameron’s new found ‘support’ starts asking questions as to why the Scottish are worth more per head as part of the UK than the English.
Which leaves the only other option that the Cons hold the majority in the UK government and then enforce the equalisation of the budget per head by ditching the Barnett formula to start with.What then ■■. Your move.
Home rule or federalism would mean all the money raised in scotland would be spent in scotland by holyrood choosing where to allocate that money with scotland paying the uk our share of defense and foreign affairs. Cameron will not want to go down as the leader that seen the end of the union. Scotland are in a stronger position than you realize.
scottishtrucker:
Carryfast:
Which leaves the only other option that the Cons hold the majority in the UK government and then enforce the equalisation of the budget per head by ditching the Barnett formula to start with.What then ■■. Your move.Home rule or federalism would mean all the money raised in scotland would be spent in scotland by holyrood choosing where to allocate that money with scotland paying the uk our share of defense and foreign affairs. Cameron will not want to go down as the leader that seen the end of the union. Scotland are in a stronger position than you realize.
Firstly Sturgeon and the SNP needs to get their heads around the massive difference between a ‘Confederate’ arrangement v a ‘Federal’ one the former being the way to go not the latter.
A Federation is what we’ve already got in the form of the UK.IE Federal means local ‘implementation’ of budgets and policy which are decided at central level.As in the case of the USA.
As opposed to a Confederacy which means budgets and policy ‘decided’ locally under sovereign control.Which is what the US civil war was ‘actually’ all about not slavery.
The problem in this case being that the former by definition means a situation that cannot possibly give the Scottish more money per head out of the ‘Federal’ budget than any of their UK partners within the UK ‘federation’.
While the latter effectively means the same thing as independence in which case yes the Scottish can pay themselves whatever they like out of ‘their own’ budget.
Which obviously means no Barnett formula in either case.But whatever you do don’t let Cameron fool you with the same thing as you’ve already got in the form of a ‘Federation’.
The real irony then being that there’s no way that a Confederate state could ever be consistent with the idea of an EU member state.
Go for it it’s your destiny.
G8YMW:
OVLOV JAY:
tommy t:
OVLOV JAY:
So what’s the alternative then? Like I said earlier, I don’t attach myself to any particular party, but we’ve only got the cuts, taxes and austerity because labour spunked all the money, and sent us skint. Labour were like a Saturday night on the ■■■■, throwing money about and having a good time, the tories are like a Sunday morning hangover, where you look in your wallet and think, where’s all my money, and austerity is like the paracetamol you need to get back to a normal Monday tomorrowThe reason for the recession was the bank’s and which party was it that relaxed the regulations on the bank’s the previous Tory government that’s who they are the underlying cause don’t believe the propaganda the media push , and the tories blaming the last labour government is propaganda and resembles the school playground it wasn’t me sir it was them who did it, utter bull [zb]
None of them had any real idea of what was important to us the voters, all politicians are out of touch with reality it seems
Are you seriously saying labour didn’t leave us broke?
It’s alright, tommy t has forgotten what happened.
Billy Liar gave the Bank of England the brief to control inflation and therefore interest rates (Good Move especially after Maggie using interest rates as a sledgehammer to control inflation, thus destroying British industry and John Major with the "exchange rate mechanism). But Billy Liar deregulated the banking system leading to a proliferation of Nick Leesons hence the banking crash and instead of prosecutions, they bailed them out with no strings. Not the Tories. If it was the Tories (which I know it wasnt, The Conservatives are primarily accountants and there is no way they would let go of the ■■■■■ strings), Labour had plenty of years to undo it
Not quite due to the tory propaganda no doubt Lib Dem, Tory and Labour all in this together on financial regulation - Left Foot Forward: Leading the UK's progressive debate They at the time would have done exactly the same as labour, so much for your ■■■■ hot accountants lying tories
And another factor was hedge funds and when you look who has been bankrolling the tories ,you have to ask why this is Conservative party ‘bankrolled by hedge fund managers’ | Party funding | The Guardian
Party of the rich? Almost 50% of Tory donors are hedge fund managers – research — RT UK News
And finally some interesting info regarding our voting system http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-parliament-proportional-representation/20893 Which backs up my opinion of how outdated the current voting system is, I bet the tories would not of got anywhere near enough votes to win if we had adopted a proportional voting system
Hopefully we’ll get a “leave” in the referendum and then the Poles will exit (along with the Romanian beggers etc).
Carryfast:
scottishtrucker:
Carryfast:
Which leaves the only other option that the Cons hold the majority in the UK government and then enforce the equalisation of the budget per head by ditching the Barnett formula to start with.What then ■■. Your move.Home rule or federalism would mean all the money raised in scotland would be spent in scotland by holyrood choosing where to allocate that money with scotland paying the uk our share of defense and foreign affairs. Cameron will not want to go down as the leader that seen the end of the union. Scotland are in a stronger position than you realize.
Firstly Sturgeon and the SNP needs to get their heads around the massive difference between a ‘Confederate’ arrangement v a ‘Federal’ one the former being the way to go not the latter.
A Federation is what we’ve already got in the form of the UK.IE Federal means local ‘implementation’ of budgets and policy which are decided at central level.As in the case of the USA.
As opposed to a Confederacy which means budgets and policy ‘decided’ locally under sovereign control.Which is what the US civil war was ‘actually’ all about not slavery.
The problem in this case being that the former by definition means a situation that cannot possibly give the Scottish more money per head out of the ‘Federal’ budget than any of their UK partners within the UK ‘federation’.
While the latter effectively means the same thing as independence in which case yes the Scottish can pay themselves whatever they like out of ‘their own’ budget.
Which obviously means no Barnett formula in either case.But whatever you do don’t let Cameron fool you with the same thing as you’ve already got in the form of a ‘Federation’.
The real irony then being that there’s no way that a Confederate state could ever be consistent with the idea of an EU member state.
Go for it it’s your destiny.
Not bad, only took to the fourth page before old Carry wheeled out the Confederacy. I say WW11 history next followed by a lesson on drive axle configurations
Harry Monk:
Coffeeholic:
UKIP lot were looking very dejected after their spectacular failure.Splitting the vote and thereby keeping a Labour/SNP coalition out of office is a success, not a failure.
Bloody dam right it is!
I had great hopes of UKIP gaining fair number of MP’s and being in the position the Lib Dems found themselves last time, but it wasn’t to be.
Congratulations must be offered to Cameron and the Tory party, they won, whether the next 5 years will bring all that is promised remains to be seen, but it’s all up to the Tories now because they got the majority they wanted.
Interestingly the result now gives tory backbenchers some clout they didn’t have when candle in the wind Clegg was up for sale, they can ignore the labour party and the SNP, doesn’t matter how much the little Scottish woman jumps up and down as tight lipped as ever, Cameron can laugh up his sleeve cos it’s votes that count and he’s got the most in the House.
Labour has the chance to rebuild itself now, whether it has the will and can find someone with some backbone (a real person who’s actually worked for a living) to lead it is another question, it used to be the anti EU party until Harold Wilson sold out, it could make a comeback by actually being a party of the working man and woman, unfortunately it relies too much on unions who have (with some notable exceptions) ignored and trodden roughshod over the genuine working class in favour of the doctrine of Lucifer Blair.
Lib Dems have had it for at least a couple of decades, Greens won’t do any good whilst they have the mad Aussie bird as leader.