Carryfast:
Which then leaves the question if a vote looks unbelievable ( like a swing to the Cons in places like Welsh Labour heartlands or Farage losing his seat or the Scottish no to indepence vote but an SNP wipe out in the election ) then just maybe it is.
Let the conspiracy theories commence!
no conspiracy theories but the election was rigged
There is a difference between the definition of a ‘question’ and the word ‘maybe’ v ‘was’.However we’ve already seen similar questions raised concerning dodgy election goings on elsewhere previously so the question isn’t without previous precedent.
wheelnutt:
Thank you voters for keeping Cameron in No. 10. This is the best for the country and I am looking forward to the next 5 years.
Now let’s work on restructuring Scottish consituencies so this farce with Scottish votes only counting for 4% of the population but having 9% of the seats won’t happen again. Todays vote will be good for NI and England and rightfully so.
OVLOV JAY:
So what’s the alternative then? Like I said earlier, I don’t attach myself to any particular party, but we’ve only got the cuts, taxes and austerity because labour spunked all the money, and sent us skint. Labour were like a Saturday night on the ■■■■, throwing money about and having a good time, the tories are like a Sunday morning hangover, where you look in your wallet and think, where’s all my money, and austerity is like the paracetamol you need to get back to a normal Monday tomorrow
The reason for the recession was the bank’s and which party was it that relaxed the regulations on the bank’s the previous Tory government that’s who they are the underlying cause don’t believe the propaganda the media push , and the tories blaming the last labour government is propaganda and resembles the school playground it wasn’t me sir it was them who did it, utter bull [zb]
None of them had any real idea of what was important to us the voters, all politicians are out of touch with reality it seems
Are you seriously saying labour didn’t leave us broke?
kr79:
The problem is the working class in across large chunks of England don’t see the labour party as representitive of what they want.
They seem to despise the idea the working class may want to own there own home and better there selves and give there kids a better start in life.
The point in this case being that the ‘working class’ at least had an alternative in the form of UKIP and voted for Miliband instead.
As for the idea of ‘home ownership’ there is a difference between an electoral bribe in the form of a cut price state funded high density council house built on the green belt.
As opposed to paying enough wages to afford a decent house in a decent area ( like Witney ).Without handouts in the form of a below market subsidised sell off and ripping off savers with low interest rates.
A CBI driven agenda based on mimising wages using cheap imported labour and zero hours contracts won’t pay for the latter.
Blimey Geoff you could give an asprin a headache. I voted ukip as none of the main party’s seemed to offer me anything and I think the EU is a second rate system full of never has beens and every nation is different and our relationship has always been half hearted at best. We should trade and be friends but a one size fits all government isn’t what we need especaly now the eu is so big.
In the north many blindly vote labour as that’s what there dad and grandad did and they blame Thatcher for everything still inner London is solid labour as there’s so many minority who see labour as been best for them but the old school london er see labour as despising them so have deserted them but they also have the left leaning middle class who get on my nerves.
Sadly many white working class Brits see the torys as the best of a bad lot.
Look at the current labour party. How many can realy relate to there traditional voter none of them has done a days manual work in there life.
Speaking as a white working class london er who owns a house and wants my kid to do better labour seem to stifle that ambition.
Tristan hunt who was labours education spokesman wanted to get rid of private schools I’m doing my upmost to get the cash to give my kid a private education as I think it’s the greatest gift you can give a kid. Years ago bright working class kids got the chance to escape through grammar scoops now they can’t and to me that’s what labour should be about
Coffeeholic:
UKIP lot were looking very dejected after their spectacular failure.
Good. Despite predictions from the usual experts on here the UKIP ‘threat’ has come to naught, as those people whose jobs require them to know a bit about politics have always said it would. Even The Leader failed although to give him an ounce of credit he has done the right thing afterwards.
UKIP: Here today, gone tomorrow.
Nearly half the total votes that Labour got from a party that didn’t have an MP until last year.
Don’t forget a good chunk of Conservative votes will be anti-europe and immigration.
OVLOV JAY:
So what’s the alternative then? Like I said earlier, I don’t attach myself to any particular party, but we’ve only got the cuts, taxes and austerity because labour spunked all the money, and sent us skint. Labour were like a Saturday night on the ■■■■, throwing money about and having a good time, the tories are like a Sunday morning hangover, where you look in your wallet and think, where’s all my money, and austerity is like the paracetamol you need to get back to a normal Monday tomorrow
The reason for the recession was the bank’s and which party was it that relaxed the regulations on the bank’s the previous Tory government that’s who they are the underlying cause don’t believe the propaganda the media push , and the tories blaming the last labour government is propaganda and resembles the school playground it wasn’t me sir it was them who did it, utter bull [zb]
None of them had any real idea of what was important to us the voters, all politicians are out of touch with reality it seems
Are you seriously saying labour didn’t leave us broke?
It’s alright, tommy t has forgotten what happened.
Billy Liar gave the Bank of England the brief to control inflation and therefore interest rates (Good Move especially after Maggie using interest rates as a sledgehammer to control inflation, thus destroying British industry and John Major with the "exchange rate mechanism). But Billy Liar deregulated the banking system leading to a proliferation of Nick Leesons hence the banking crash and instead of prosecutions, they bailed them out with no strings. Not the Tories. If it was the Tories (which I know it wasnt, The Conservatives are primarily accountants and there is no way they would let go of the ■■■■■ strings), Labour had plenty of years to undo it
wheelnutt:
Thank you voters for keeping Cameron in No. 10. This is the best for the country and I am looking forward to the next 5 years.
Now let’s work on restructuring Scottish consituencies so this farce with Scottish votes only counting for 4% of the population but having 9% of the seats won’t happen again. Todays vote will be good for NI and England and rightfully so.
Well done electorate, well done.
Where you getting the 4%? strange comment
4% of people in the whole United Kondom as it stands live in Scotland. They’ve got 9% of the seats, 56 from 650.
Ukip got 3.8 million votes - more than the Libdems and SNP put together - and net LOST a seat, having not even gained South Thanet for Farage himself.
SNP get gained practically seat-for-seat the wards lost by the Libdems - and UKIP lose one net seat… Great.
Nationalism is alive and well in Scotland, and totally dead now in England.
Immigrants voting Labour have prevented the anticipated surge from middle englanders to UKIP from having any more effect than coming “second” in over 100 wards.
“Second” has no place ticket however.
UKIP cannot revive until we now pass through the 10th plane Hell and come out the other side.
“When you find yourself in hell - Keep moving.”
Winston Churchill
Coffeeholic:
Hopefully the Union will be no more within 5 years.
OH WISE ONE you seem to forget the figure was 55% against and 45% for the referendum and I think a year of Nicola Sturgeon might see the 55% rise a bit as her and her money man Swinney have been a bit dubious in the past with predictions of what they will have to spend and what they actually get. I spent a lot of my time on the road running all over the UK and have a lot of friends in England I seldom noticed that I had crossed the border I personally hope we continue to be part of the UK. I have been a labour voter all my days and did this time as well they will get over this setback. Eddie.
Coffeeholic:
Hopefully the Union will be no more within 5 years.
OH WISE ONE you seem to forget the figure was 55% against and 45% for the referendum and I think a year of Nicola Sturgeon might see the 55% rise a bit as her and her money man Swinney have been a bit dubious in the past with predictions of what they will have to spend and what they actually get. I spent a lot of my time on the road running all over the UK and have a lot of friends in England I seldom noticed that I had crossed the border I personally hope we continue to be part of the UK. I have been a labour voter all my days and did this time as well they will get over this setback. Eddie.
I haven’t forgotten the figures and it doesn’t take much of a swing to change that around, It might seem unlikely now but then a party have 6 seats at one General Election seemed unlikely but it happened… Hopefully that day will come and the Union will be no more, all the countries of the Union should be separate independent countries and it would be a bonus if Labour were dead forever in Scotland, well everywhere really but I guess that’s too much to hope for.
Last night actually made me interested in this stuff and I haven’t voted since 1979, I’ll probably lose interest by next week and be back to normal…
Coffeeholic:
UKIP lot were looking very dejected after their spectacular failure.
Splitting the vote and thereby keeping a Labour/SNP coalition out of office is a success, not a failure.
I’m not a fan of this - “It’s not about the winning, it’s about taking part” - nonsense. Only losers say that and what ever way it’s sugar coated the fact is they wanted seats and influence and they got nothing. By the next election they’ll probably, and hopefully, be nothing more than a memory.
Coffeeholic:
UKIP lot were looking very dejected after their spectacular failure.
Splitting the vote and thereby keeping a Labour/SNP coalition out of office is a success, not a failure.
I’m not a fan of this - “It’s not about the winning, it’s about taking part” - nonsense. Only losers say that and what ever way it’s sugar coated the fact is they wanted seats and influence and they got nothing. By the next election they’ll probably, and hopefully, be nothing more than a memory.
I don’t think UKIP were ever expecting to form the Government. However, they did get more votes than the Liberal Democrats and the SNP combined. The fact that this has not translated into seats is more due to the nature of our political system than any lack of popular support.
I personally would expect them to do better in the 2020 election than they did in 2015.
or Farage losing his seat or the Scottish no to indepence vote but an SNP wipe out in the election ) then just maybe it is.
