At work this morning and all the candidates for the constituencies round here were there as the sports hall is being used for the count and announcements. UKIP lot were looking very dejected after their spectacular failure. Labour blokes were sort of smiling because they won round here apparently but you could see deep down they weren’t happy.
Loads of counting still to be done, something about local elections and a police referendum.
The problem is the working class in across large chunks of England don’t see the labour party as representitive of what they want.
They seem to despise the idea the working class may want to own there own home and better there selves and give there kids a better start in life.
Coffeeholic:
UKIP lot were looking very dejected after their spectacular failure.
Good. Despite predictions from the usual experts on here the UKIP ‘threat’ has come to naught, as those people whose jobs require them to know a bit about politics have always said it would. Even The Leader failed although to give him an ounce of credit he has done the right thing afterwards.
Coffeeholic:
UKIP lot were looking very dejected after their spectacular failure.
Good. Despite predictions from the usual experts on here the UKIP ‘threat’ has come to naught, as those people whose jobs require them to know a bit about politics have always said it would. Even The Leader failed although to give him an ounce of credit he has done the right thing afterwards.
UKIP: Here today, gone tomorrow.
Indeed, and he has actually said the first thing I’ve ever heard him say that I thought was good in his resignation waffle. He said - “Very little will change under a Conservative government.” I hope he’s right as it’s been pretty good under them for the last 5 years as far as I’m concerned.
kr79:
They may have failed with the number of seats but there share of the vote has risen a lot
It has but that wasn’t what was predicted, they were going to win a load of seats and have a major influence. Runners up in 118 seats but you get nothing for runners up in this race.
kr79:
The problem is the working class in across large chunks of England don’t see the labour party as representitive of what they want.
They seem to despise the idea the working class may want to own there own home and better there selves and give there kids a better start in life.
The point in this case being that the ‘working class’ at least had an alternative in the form of UKIP and voted for Miliband instead.
As for the idea of ‘home ownership’ there is a difference between an electoral bribe in the form of a cut price state funded high density council house built on the green belt.
As opposed to paying enough wages to afford a decent house in a decent area ( like Witney ).Without handouts in the form of a below market subsidised sell off and ripping off savers with low interest rates.
A CBI driven agenda based on mimising wages using cheap imported labour and zero hours contracts won’t pay for the latter.
Winseer:
The prospect of Cameron being back in Number 10 without any constraints this time - fills me with dread.
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So, what would have been your ideal outcome?
That lisping ■■■■■■ that looks like he came out of a Wallace and grommet sketch??
Man give me a ******g break!
Il take 10 camerons over that ■■■■!
He even shafted his own brother- goes to show what kind of a [zb] he is.
Karma is a ■■■■■.
You say it as if I’m a Labour supporter…
As I’ve said before - I’ve never voted Labour. Get it right please.
What did I want? - A Conservative government with their feet held to the fire to keep their promises - like any decent government should.
With a majority - Cameron might do the magnanimous thing and “be nice” but come on! That doesn’t apply for the already disenfranchised does it?
Where’s the regeneration of Medway now for example? - Or the halting of foreign firms buying up our local incumbent industries (foreign or UK owned) only to promptly close them down?
The closest yard to where I did was Salvesons, taken over then by Nobbies and now owned by the Americans in the form of XPO. Medway city estate has had problems “getting in and out during peak times” for quite a while now. It would be an easy knee-jerk reaction to just let it’s new foreign owners close it down, and send more of us local Medwayites to work in other towns (as I already do) thus pushing up their “going to work overheads” in the form of higher commuting.
The result I wanted was Tories with 290-300 seats, and UKIP with around 30-50, ideally 60+ at the expense of Labour & the Libdems. We would have had a EU refereundum by the end of this year, instead of 2017 (read “never” now) and the drain down in law & order, armed forces, and even local facillities would have been halted - at FOREIGNERS expense instead of our own.
None of this is going to happen now. We’re at best, going to get 5 years more of the same. These last five years have seen me turn into a habitual commuter, seen me in my first own vehicle road impact, and replaced what used to be my overtime with commuting time instead - for less money if worked out “by the hour” than a decade ago to boot.
All that’s happened in this election is the baby has been thrown out with the bathwater. UKIP didn’t deserve to be run out of town in the same way Labour & the promise-breaking Libdems did.
Consolidations of Labour clusters will ensure that the Tories get to hold onto power for a lot longer than such a slim mandate would presently suggest as well.
I preduct that London, Merseyside and Bristol workers in particular will suffer from a Majority (rather than Tory-Led Coalition) government over the next few years.
At present, I fail to see any upside - at least locally. It’s little comfort being told that “A whole town you’ve never been to will be better off with the throwing of your own town on the bonfire of vanities” as it is.
tommy t:
Great another 5yrs of tory [zb] , cuts,austerity, more internet censorship and snooping ,zero hrs , & low paid jobs, and probably the demise of the NHS
Well done you muppet’s who voted for this, and if you think that those who this will have a detrimental effect on will tolerate it for another 5yrs you i think will be sorely disappointed ,
So, what was the alternative then?
Here’s a clue to that question.
‘Greece’.
Your post amuses me since we have record low unemployment, more people in work, hundreds of thousands of new businesses, record low mortage rates,
We’ve got record low mortgage rates that actually rip off savers to subsidise low wage employment.There’s nothing ‘Conservative’ about that.
We’ve got a so called Conservative administration that wants to bulldoze the Green Belt to build high density council estates ( with the exception of the Cotswolds of course ) which will then be flogged off cheap to buy votes.There’s nothing ‘Conservative’ about that.
We’ve got so called ‘employment’,based on low wages and zero hours contracts and an open door immigration policy.While continuing to pay a fortune for EU membership and now to keep the Scottish happy.All to pander to the Unionist/Federalist cause and the CBI.That certainly is recognisably ‘Conservative’.
As for Greece that’s actually what happens in a non wealth creating services based economy that has to use borrowed and printed money to pay for its manufactured imports and resulting trade deficit.
Colin_scottish:
I don’t have short memory I want to be independent from the union a dont the see how it works with posh boy only has one intrest London and the surrounding area that’s it nothing else and working class people just get shafted
Interested to see how things pan out.
Basically, Scotland have overwhelmingly voted for the SNP yet have a Conservative governemnt - a party with only one Scottish seat. The situation is a recipe for unrest.
If the Scots now don’t get the DevoMax they were promised - There’s nothing to stop them fielding a candidate in the rest of England - and mopping up the former Labour voters now that only have a corpse to vote for…
Who would make a Labour leader with Blair’s Charisma? (I didn’t vote for him, but many did after all)
Keep an eye on Keir Starmer, the new incumbent for Holborn & St Pancras (Dobson’s old seat)
I’m not looking at him having beaten that tree hugging sheila - but the fact that he’s got more decorations than a Christmas Tree, and like Blair, he’s a bigshot in Law - good for playing vs the rest of the world better I think.
Someone recently asked me this morning “Since you don’t vote Labour - Are there any Labour MPs that you like?”
kr79:
The problem is the working class in across large chunks of England don’t see the labour party as representitive of what they want.
They seem to despise the idea the working class may want to own there own home and better there selves and give there kids a better start in life.
The point in this case being that the ‘working class’ at least had an alternative in the form of UKIP and voted for Miliband instead.
As for the idea of ‘home ownership’ there is a difference between an electoral bribe in the form of a cut price state funded high density council house built on the green belt.
As opposed to paying enough wages to afford a decent house in a decent area ( like Witney ).Without handouts in the form of a below market subsidised sell off and ripping off savers with low interest rates.
A CBI driven agenda based on mimising wages using cheap imported labour and zero hours contracts won’t pay for the latter.
HA HA HA Carryfast You must be on LSD. As always you are coughing up the old VERBAL Diarrhoea that clogs your very muddled brain, in fact you are in danger of turning yourself inside out, as you repeat the same old mantra with rather alarming regularity, and always with the same end result " Absolute childish drivel " . Oh how disappointing you must have been for your parents to have spawned such a massive wind bag as you so full of mindless tosh as to be absolutely boring. But I suppose you just love the look of your own words that you cannot help yourself from Boring the rest of us, still I suppose it gives us something to laugh about reading your fairy stories.
Winseer:
What did I want? - A Conservative government with their feet held to the fire The result I wanted was Tories with 290-300 seats, and UKIP with around 30-50, ideally 60+ at the expense of Labour & the Libdems. We would have had a EU refereundum by the end of this year, instead of 2017 (read “never” now) and the drain down in law & order, armed forces, and even local facillities would have been halted - at FOREIGNERS expense instead of our own.
None of this is going to happen now. We’re at best, going to get 5 years more of the same.All that’s happened in this election is the baby has been thrown out with the bathwater. UKIP didn’t deserve to be run out of town in the same way Labour & the promise-breaking Libdems did.
^This.Although realistically ‘some’ of that UKIP vote also needed to be obtained at the Cons expense for that plan to work.Basically Miliband has taken too many votes from those who’d vote for a donkey so long as it has a red rosette pinned to it and vice versa in the case of much of the Con vote.
Which then leaves the question if a vote looks unbelievable ( like a swing to the Cons in places like Welsh Labour heartlands or Farage losing his seat or the Scottish no to indepence vote but an SNP wipe out in the election ) then just maybe it is.
yoyo5:
HA HA HA Carryfast You must be on LSD. As always you are coughing up the old VERBAL Diarrhoea that clogs your very muddled brain, in fact you are in danger of turning yourself inside out, as you repeat the same old mantra with rather alarming regularity, and always with the same end result " Absolute childish drivel " . Oh how disappointing you must have been for your parents to have spawned such a massive wind bag as you so full of mindless tosh as to be absolutely boring. But I suppose you just love the look of your own words that you cannot help yourself from Boring the rest of us, still I suppose it gives us something to laugh about reading your fairy stories.
I’d guess that sort of sums up the level of intelligent debate of the average Con voter.
Carryfast:
Which then leaves the question if a vote looks unbelievable ( like a swing to the Cons in places like Welsh Labour heartlands or Farage losing his seat or the Scottish no to indepence vote but an SNP wipe out in the election ) then just maybe it is.
OVLOV JAY:
So what’s the alternative then? Like I said earlier, I don’t attach myself to any particular party, but we’ve only got the cuts, taxes and austerity because labour spunked all the money, and sent us skint. Labour were like a Saturday night on the ■■■■, throwing money about and having a good time, the tories are like a Sunday morning hangover, where you look in your wallet and think, where’s all my money, and austerity is like the paracetamol you need to get back to a normal Monday tomorrow
The reason for the recession was the bank’s and which party was it that relaxed the regulations on the bank’s the previous Tory government that’s who they are the underlying cause don’t believe the propaganda the media push , and the tories blaming the last labour government is propaganda and resembles the school playground it wasn’t me sir it was them who did it, utter bull ■■■■■■
None of them had any real idea of what was important to us the voters, all politicians are out of touch with reality it seems
Carryfast:
Which then leaves the question if a vote looks unbelievable ( like a swing to the Cons in places like Welsh Labour heartlands or Farage losing his seat or the Scottish no to indepence vote but an SNP wipe out in the election ) then just maybe it is.
Let the conspiracy theories commence!
no conspiracy theories but the election was rigged
Winseer:
Who would make a Labour leader with Blair’s Charisma? (I didn’t vote for him, but many did after all)
Keep an eye on Keir Starmer, the new incumbent for Holborn & St Pancras (Dobson’s old seat)
I’m not looking at him having beaten that tree hugging sheila - but the fact that he’s got more decorations than a Christmas Tree, and like Blair, he’s a bigshot in Law - good for playing vs the rest of the world better I think.
Someone recently asked me this morning “Since you don’t vote Labour - Are there any Labour MPs that you like?”
“Keir Starmer” was my reply.
Blair was actually just a product of Labour deciding that the only way to beat the Cons was to be Cons.When the only possible realistic Labour opposition needed/s to be based on Shore’s policies.IE protectionist anti global free market and anti EU.