BillyHunt:
As usual you are wrong DP, this is his best ever speech. A man you can truly believe & believe in. My arse.
youtube.com/watch?v=O2z37tt2wSs
Absolutely someone we can believe in enough to respectfully request that he change his mind.Luckily for his followers ( and unluckily for Cameron 
) he answered that request positively. 
By the way I’m guessing that the Cons idea,of increasing wage levels,to cut the public spending deficit in terms of low wage subsidies,was nicked from UKIP. 
“I’m a man of my word, and I don’t break my word”
BillyHunt:
“I’m a man of my word, and I don’t break my word”
You seem to have selectively missed out the next bit.Which went along the lines we understand your position but ‘we’ respectfully ‘request’ that you ‘re consider’ for the good of the Party ( and the country ).To which the answer was ( luckily ) in the positive.IE ( unfortunately for Cameron ) a ‘requested’ ‘reconsideration’ of his ‘word’ ( which ‘he’ actually originally kept ) based on good reason. 
Which then leaves the real relevant ‘U turn’ of what happened when Cameron suddenly realised that he wasn’t going to be able to use the whip against his Euro Sceptic ranks.Unlike Thatcher and Major.Thereby being a game changer in terms of the out campaign’s chances v 1975.
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
“I’m a man of my word, and I don’t break my word”You seem to have selectively missed out the next bit.Which went along the lines we understand your position but ‘we’ respectfully ‘request’ that you ‘re consider’ for the good of the Party ( and the country ).To which the answer was ( luckily ) in the positive.IE ( unfortunately for Cameron
Which then leaves the real relevant ‘U turn’ of what happened when Cameron suddenly realised that he wasn’t going to be able to use the whip against his Euro Sceptic ranks.Unlike Thatcher and Major.Thereby being a game changer in terms of the out campaign’s chances v 1975.
You obviously struggle with listening as well as reading his next bit was:
“I shall be writing to the national executive in a few minutes telling them I will be standing down as leader of ukip” he then bladders on about time off over the summer coming back to “possibly” fight a leadership election.
As usual you refuse to believe what you see or read if it doesn’t fit in with your skewed view. I don’t have any irrelevant history lesson to put on the end.
BillyHunt:
You obviously struggle with listening as well as reading his next bit was:
“I shall be writing to the national executive in a few minutes telling them I will be standing down as leader of ukip” he then bladders on about time off over the summer coming back to “possibly” fight a leadership election.
As usual you refuse to believe what you see or read if it doesn’t fit in with your skewed view.
I was actually referring to what happened after all that.The fact being it was the Party that requested that he re consider his decision.That ‘re consideration’ obviously ( luckily for the out campaign and unluckily for the in campaign ) being in the positive.
While as it stands Cameron and his supporters have ( a lot ) more to worry about,in terms of credibility,in the near future,than Farage or UKIP.
BillyHunt:
As usual you are wrong DP, this is his best ever speech. A man you can truly believe & believe in. My arse.
youtube.com/watch?v=O2z37tt2wSs
did you sit back and enjoy the show of how a real leader stands up to people like our king nige did in those videos ?
your come back over the resigning thing is very thin indeed, people quite rightly knew no one could stand up to those political correct nutters better than him, he has the skill and the quick brains needed to out smart them all
its like a breath of freash air to watch him at work and its little wonder your leader Cameron ran like hell to hide away from going face to face with Nigel, i bet even you billy would hate to go face to face with him as he would make you look as much of a Humpty Dumpty as you come over as
the man has it all billy and i can only hope he gets his rewards for all his efforts, he has already won in many ways, getting a referendum in the first place is all down to him and ukip and all the noise they have been making
he has already now broken through the racist card that would normally go to anyone who dares say we have to many people coming over here
hopefully billy the days of political correct nutters is going to die out and common bloody sense will be its replacement
have a look at those videos billy and see how he stands up to all the European big wigs, he is rude but to the point, he pulls no punches, and doesnt try to dress things up in political gobbledegook
you can witter on and on as much as you like about the resigning thing its all you can hope for as the man would scare all the poltical correct to death, it doesnt seem to matter what he does the people love him and his style
i would trust him far more than any tory who are always chasing alter boys or caught in bed with the speaker or any other trouser down nonsense those hooray hendrys have been caught out doing over all the years they have been around, let alone there being caught with there greedy hands in so many tills
so ukip and farage are really a breath of fresh air that speaks up for people like me who voted for them, so i for one am so glad nigel is going to carry on being a thorn in everyones side for a lot longer yet
enjoy the vids billy, see what a leader is really made of and again thank your lucky stars Cameron decided to run away from him as it paid off. for now !!
Carryfast:
desypete:
Carryfast:
desypete:
well it seems like some of the torys are looking to form themselves into a no campaign, bet our billy is happy about thatour lord nigel the great saviour and the one who made all this possible for a referendum is busy fighting the corner in Europe, you should have a look at some of his speachess he makes in Europe parliament, he makes question time in our house of commons look like a night out with a prostitute who has genital warts, but there so polite over it all
i can not wait for the campains to get started, as its all getting a bit slow now, however i am sure as the weeks go by we will have plenty more to moan about as the torys will be bound to be causing upsets for people while there in office
i miss a good row over it all
The rows haven’t even started yet.The Cons are now ( rightly ) calling for an increase in the minimum wage to allow a cut in low wage employment tax funded subsidies.That’s really going to pish off the CBI.
While Cameron also knows that he can’t take on the Euro Sceptics in his own ranks without losing his majority and/or without help from the SNP.That’s also going to upset the CBI.
Meanwhile Farage is too busy laughing to even start arguing.Yet.
just thought i would post a best of farage vid that is on you tube
i simply love this man and how he tells it like it is
have a look and billy should look at it and see how it really should be done for a leaderhave you ever seen a leader who can preform like this guy can ? its like a breath of fresh air in politics.
youtube.com/watch?v=W8Q-4t_sZ-A
youtube.com/watch?v=jIgpSqwT69w
she seems like a female version of our own lord Nigel, its no suprize the french are also getting hot under the collar with all the euro nonsense, i mean they also have the problem of the boarders and more so at the crossing between us and them
i wonder if its no coincidence that 2 of the countrys most affected by this free movement of people are so up in arms at what is going on ? there up in arms because Europe tells us what we must do,
we not run by ourselves anymore everything must go past adolf Hitler and co
I would rather set alight to my testicles & put them out with a mallet than watch his “look at me I’m brilliant” videos.
Answer me one simple question. How come he’s never won a seat in parliament?
He’s just another politician & a pretty poor one at that considering he can’t even get himself elected. Hand picked his own constituency, had a groundswell of support after the euro elections, valuable time on TV in front of millions to get his points across, gets beaten by a Tory & shown how to do it by a Scottish female dwarf. Yes, he’s worth everyone’s support. He’s a failure & will remain so, you’re just too much in love to see that.
BillyHunt:
I would rather set alight to my testicles & put them out with a mallet than watch his “look at me I’m brilliant” videos.
Answer me one simple question. How come he’s never won a seat in parliament?
He’s just another politician & a pretty poor one at that considering he can’t even get himself elected. Hand picked his own constituency, had a groundswell of support after the euro elections, valuable time on TV in front of millions to get his points across, gets beaten by a Tory & shown how to do it by a Scottish female dwarf. Yes, he’s worth everyone’s support. He’s a failure & will remain so, you’re just too much in love to see that.
Ironically we’re in a situation where the Prime Minister is looking more like a lame duck failure every day while the only way is up for UKIP and Farage.Especially if the out campaign wins this time unlike in 1975.On that note the Cameron U turn on using the whip against his EU sceptic rebels will probably prove to be the turning point in his fortunes from now and hopefully we’ll be in the position of a Davis and Farage led co alition and an independent England out of the EU within the next two years.
There you go with your “ifs” again. We will just have to wait & see who gets what they want there.
As for the rest there’s more chance of you & I forming a coalition than a Davis/farage combo leading us out of Europe.
BillyHunt:
there’s more chance of you & I forming a coalition than a Davis/farage combo leading us out of Europe.
I’d say that there’s more chance of that than Cameron being able to hold on to his position when he inevitably joins the SNP,Labour and LibDem ranks of the in campaign against his own Sceptics.
Let alone in the event of an out vote.In which case it is easy to foresee a Conservative leadership coup and alliance with UKIP and the SNP making life so difficult in that case that Davis and Farage decide that it is best to let them go.
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
there’s more chance of you & I forming a coalition than a Davis/farage combo leading us out of Europe.I’d say that there’s more chance of that than Cameron being able to hold on to his position when he inevitably joins the SNP,Labour and LibDem ranks of the in campaign against his own Sceptics.
Let alone in the event of an out vote.In which case it is easy to foresee a Conservative leadership coup and alliance with UKIP and the SNP making life so difficult in that case that Davis and Farage decide that it is best to let them go.
An alliance with ukip! You do come up with some tripe but this bromance you have with farage is making you come up with some quality bull dust, even for you. Don’t know if you’ve quite realised it yet but ukip only have 1 MP, thats one, a single person, an individual, on his own. What kind of alliance would they have with one ukip MP, I realise you think they are worth more but it’s still just one, that’s assuming you don’t actually believe your earlier fantasy about Cameron getting carswell to join ukip on purpose, only to let him back in later. Utter tosh, even for you, it’s even on a par with DP, you’re starting to sound like the same person. Now there’s a thought.
BillyHunt:
An alliance with ukip! You do come up with some tripe but this bromance you have with farage is making you come up with some quality bull dust, even for you. Don’t know if you’ve quite realised it yet but ukip only have 1 MP, thats one, a single person, an individual, on his own. What kind of alliance would they have with one ukip MP, I realise you think they are worth more but it’s still just one, that’s assuming you don’t actually believe your earlier fantasy about Cameron getting carswell to join ukip on purpose
I think you’re missing the point of what would remain of the Conservative Party after the inevitable civil war within the Party when Cameron joins the Lab/LibDem/SNP ranks against his own.In the equally inevitably bitter in v out campaign that lies ahead in the short term.While it becomes equally obvious that the Cons Unionist UK agenda is also a liability to the anti Federalist side of the Party.So yes in that environment it would be easy to foresee an environment of mass defections and by elections.In which Cameron loses his majority,credibility and leadership,in which the SNP are no longer a factor,and in which UKIP gains at least more influence in that new political environment.Bearing in mind UKIP’s actual level of electoral support.
Ukips actual level of support netted them the grand total of one MP due to their mismanaged election, why do think they’ll do better next time given your leader was laughed at for “volunteering” to head up the no campaign. You don’t seem to be able to take in the fact that he’s just not trusted to win anything. Gain influence from where exactly? Politicians like one thing first & formost, that’s keeping their job, your donkey cannot even win his own seat so why would they give up theirs to follow a proven loser?
You also assume that all the conservatives are anti eu which, given their obvious political leanings, is I bit odd & that they all want rid of Cameron. It’s easy for you to see it that way because that’s what you want to happen, that doesn’t mean it will, or it will pan out anything like that. There are euro sceptics in every party, always have been & always will be, so far it has made no difference as we are still in. Cameron will oversee a referendum win by staying in the EU. Once that’s put to bed he will start to look at stepping down prior to the next election, as he said he would prior to the election, similar to your donkey only he will do as he said & not change his mind.
BillyHunt:
You also assume that all the conservatives are anti eu which, given their obvious political leanings, is I bit odd & that they all want rid of Cameron. It’s easy for you to see it that way because that’s what you want to happen, that doesn’t mean it will, or it will pan out anything like that. There are euro sceptics in every party, always have been & always will be, so far it has made no difference as we are still in. Cameron will oversee a referendum win by staying in the EU. Once that’s put to bed he will start to look at stepping down prior to the next election, as he said he would prior to the election, similar to your donkey only he will do as he said & not change his mind.
I didn’t say that the Cons ‘are all’ Euro sceptic and the fact that it is an ideologically Federalist/Unionist Party is beyond doubt.‘However’ within that is contained the contradiction of an ideologically anti Federalist faction which,unlike 1975,is sufficient to at least wipe out Cameron’s small majority and which by definition has more in common with UKIP than Cameron’s natural Federalist allies amongst the Lab/LibDem/SNP ranks.As I said to the point where that contradiction,between that natural Federalist alliance v anti Federalist Conservative rebels will not only be sufficient to tear Cameron’s administration and the Con Party as we know it apart,it will also logically and inevitably have to lead to the break up of the UK.In which case at that point all bets are off regarding how the political landscape would/will look after the dust of that argument settles.
IE An Independent Scotland in the EU.With England out with an anti Federalist,more Nationalist leaning administration in whatever form ( a Davis/Farage led coalition being the most logical ),with Cameron’s leadership and the Federalist Con/Lab/LibDem/SNP alliance dream being just a memory.
At least until the Scottish Nationalist cause realises that it has been had by a bunch of Socialist/Federalists masquerading as ‘Nationalists’.
On that note I’ll await with interest the unarguable first round in all that scenario when Cameron and his pro EU Con followers have to inevitably join the Lab/LibDem/SNP ranks,against his own anti Federalist faction,in the acrimonious in v out campaign ahead.
You’ll have to let me know your supplier as that’s some strong stuff your smoking.
Other than that as I’ve said we will have to wait & see.
BillyHunt:
Ukips actual level of support netted them the grand total of one MP due to their mismanaged election, why do think they’ll do better next time given your leader was laughed at for “volunteering” to head up the no campaign. You don’t seem to be able to take in the fact that he’s just not trusted to win anything. Gain influence from where exactly? Politicians like one thing first & formost, that’s keeping their job, your donkey cannot even win his own seat so why would they give up theirs to follow a proven loser?
You also assume that all the conservatives are anti eu which, given their obvious political leanings, is I bit odd & that they all want rid of Cameron. It’s easy for you to see it that way because that’s what you want to happen, that doesn’t mean it will, or it will pan out anything like that. There are euro sceptics in every party, always have been & always will be, so far it has made no difference as we are still in. Cameron will oversee a referendum win by staying in the EU. Once that’s put to bed he will start to look at stepping down prior to the next election, as he said he would prior to the election, similar to your donkey only he will do as he said & not change his mind.
you might take no notice of ukip billy
but thanfully your leader and the rest of the cons did take notice of ukip and there growing army of support, hence we are now having an in out referendum, labour would of won the election if they would of included an in out referendum i have no doubt in my mind about that, and the torys would of been wiped out big time, if the torys had not of put in the referendum in there manifesto then the out come would of been so so different
ignore all the people in the land who are fed up to the back teeth of how there home towns are changing so fast all you want billy based on the fact its not a problem yet in your neck of the woods, some parts of london these days its rare to see a white face anywhere, same in areas of manchester, liverpool rochdale all over the land these days more and more people dont come to live and mix in with us they come to live here and set up the areas to be more like where they have come from and we pay for it and lump them all together so that they feel more at home with there own race
if we really were going to be multi cultured then people would live on our areas all over the land spread out and mix in with us instead they just get up in large numbers and end up taking over whole community’s and this is seen as positive ?
now that was the state of play before the flood gates have been opened up like they have, were we now have to welcome hundreads of thousands of europeans to our lands and let them earn a lot more money over here than they can earn back home, they send there earning back home were its worth a lot more they dont spend it in our lands only enough for them to live on the rest goes back to there own country to there familys or there cheap housing etc
all that happens for us who have been born here and live here is we end up having to face wage cuts, or wage freezes, while our bills carry on going up and the fear factor is if they dont carry on doing what there doing then they will be replaced by even more cheap labour who come over
our towns are changing and its hitting more people, so ignore it billy and think it will go away but it will not as the years go by more and more people will be affected, even maybe you and your family might one day wake up to losing part of your home town and have to be told you can not see the dr for weeks etc ?
it really is getting to a crisis point billy you dont believe it as you dont live in an area that is affected yet
You are correct, I take no notice of ukip.
BillyHunt:
You are correct, I take no notice of ukip.
yes billy i notice you take no notice with every post you have made its clear you dont even notice them
desypete:
BillyHunt:
You are correct, I take no notice of ukip.yes billy i notice you take no notice with every post you have made its clear you dont even notice them
I’m happy you’re taking notice of what I don’t take any notice of.