Election 2015 exit poll

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
Do me a favour & keep rooting for ukip will you, it’s obvious you are attracted to losers & I don’t see that changing anytime soon

If Cameron is the Con vote’s idea of a ‘winner’ then I don’t think that the UKIP vote has anything to fear in the longer term.Being just another Con government which is destined to fail like all the rest.Especially when people realise that Cameron’s vote was based on belief in economic lies and bs and Lab/SNP vote fear tactics.Cameron is in a weaker more isolated situation than Major ever was and the only way for Farage is now up and that’s just based on the immigration issue let alone the zb EU and its Federalist agenda.

[billyhunt]

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
Do me a favour & keep rooting for ukip will you, it’s obvious you are attracted to losers & I don’t see that changing anytime soon

If Cameron is the Con vote’s idea of a ‘winner’ then I don’t think that the UKIP vote has anything to fear in the longer term.Being just another Con government which is destined to fail like all the rest.Especially when people realise that Cameron’s vote was based on belief in economic lies and bs and Lab/SNP vote fear tactics.Cameron is in a weaker more isolated situation than Major ever was and the only way for Farage is now up and that’s just based on the immigration issue let alone the zb EU and its Federalist agenda.

If your definition of winner is a man that had tried for election to the House of Commons 8 times & lost every one I suggest you get a dictionary out. Cameron won an election, with a majority, your “winner” managed to lose one of the MPs he did have, as well as losing in his own hand picked constituency. A fear of labour/snap votes didn’t exactly mean seats for ukip now did it, I wonder why that was. Could it be that the voters can see through your donkey, not being taken in by his bluff, and would rather stay with someone they know will work for them as he’s been in government, leading a country as opposed to leading a one issue party.
As usual these small parties put all their eggs in one basket, in this case immigration, and wonder why they don’t win anything. Plenty people in this country have bigger issues than immigration.
The irony about all of this is the fact that, even if we voted no & got out of Europe, people like you, and your mate DP, will only start to winge about something else, getting out will never be enough to serial complainers. You should remember when bliar got in & everyone thought “at last, someone that will help us” didn’t quite work out that way though did it.
I see your little turtle has popped his head out & started banging the drum about the referendum, maybe he read my post. Says he should be the one to lead the No campaign, I’m sure with his record he will do well, but for the Yes vote.

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BillyHunt:
If your definition of winner is a man that had tried for election to the House of Commons 8 times & lost every one I suggest you get a dictionary out. Cameron won an election, with a majority, your “winner” managed to lose one of the MPs he did have, as well as losing in his own hand picked constituency. A fear of labour/snap votes didn’t exactly mean seats for ukip now did it, I wonder why that was. Could it be that the voters can see through your donkey, not being taken in by his bluff, and would rather stay with someone they know will work for them as he’s been in government, leading a country as opposed to leading a one issue party.
As usual these small parties put all their eggs in one basket, in this case immigration, and wonder why they don’t win anything. Plenty people in this country have bigger issues than immigration.
The irony about all of this is the fact that, even if we voted no & got out of Europe, people like you, and your mate DP, will only start to winge about something else, getting out will never be enough to serial complainers. You should remember when bliar got in & everyone thought “at last, someone that will help us” didn’t quite work out that way though did it.
I see your little turtle has popped his head out & started banging the drum about the referendum, maybe he read my post. Says he should be the one to lead the No campaign, I’m sure with his record he will do well, but for the Yes vote.

I’m saying that Cameron’s scare tactics of Lab/SNP if the Con vote collapsed by swinging to UKIP was what compromised the potential UKIP vote.When the fact is there is no difference between Lab/Con or SNP in terms of throwing away the country’s interests to Federalism and open door immigration.While as always the best way to get rid of a Con government is to let it have the power to do it itself. As it always historically does in running the country into the ground because of its inherently ideologically regressive economic policies and internal divisions between Federalism as opposed to at least relative Nationalism in that regard.So on that note yes the only way is up for Farage.Bearing in mind that Cameron’s small majority can be taken out almost over night by way of defections by anti Federalist Conservatives who are prepared put the interests of the country above those of Party politics and hopefully some resulting by elections. Let alone the realisation dawning on Labour that its Socialist ( or Con infiltration Blairite ) ideology driven pro EU,pro immigration policies are losing it more votes than it is gaining.

On that note the next 5 years are going to seem like an eternity for the future of Cameron’s administration and his misguided followers like yourself.While with Conservatives like Hannan on the side of the out campaign Cameron will need all the help he can get from his Lab and SNP allies.

[billyhunt]

Given the amount of seats they won as opposed to how many ukip got I would say his tactics worked a treat. The labour/ snp vote was never going to affect ukip, they had as much chance of winning in Scotland as the Tories did,which was very little. No I’m afraid the reason they did poorly is down to bad management. Nothing to do with nationalism, federalism or any other ism, people aren’t interested in all that, they’re more interested in having a job, making some money, having a decent lifestyle. None of which was talked about by ukip & there single issue, a big mistake costing them seats, as you well know. They were so poor if I were you I’d ask for a refund on my membership, you are a member aren’t you?
An indication of how much the EU means to people here is, despite all the negative stories put out, all the information on immigration, legal or otherwise, the fact that the Tories said they wanted to stay in, ukip still couldn’t manage to get more seats. What does that tell you about how the referendum will go? Bang on about almost 4 million votes all you like, and how the system will be different next time, the main parties, all pro EU, got nearer 26 million.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
Given the amount of seats they won as opposed to how many ukip got I would say his tactics worked a treat. The labour/ snp vote was never going to affect ukip, they had as much chance of winning in Scotland as the Tories did,which was very little. No I’m afraid the reason they did poorly is down to bad management. Nothing to do with nationalism, federalism or any other ism, people aren’t interested in all that, they’re more interested in having a job, making some money, having a decent lifestyle. None of which was talked about by ukip & there single issue, a big mistake costing them seats, as you well know. They were so poor if I were you I’d ask for a refund on my membership, you are a member aren’t you?
An indication of how much the EU means to people here is, despite all the negative stories put out, all the information on immigration, legal or otherwise, the fact that the Tories said they wanted to stay in, ukip still couldn’t manage to get more seats. What does that tell you about how the referendum will go? Bang on about almost 4 million votes all you like, and how the system will be different next time, the main parties, all pro EU, got nearer 26 million.

Firstly no I’m not a UKIP member but definitely a loyal voter at least until/unless the Cons or Labour make some serious changes regards the ( important ) issue of ideology and immigration policy.While ‘if’ I chose to be an actual member of any of them that would depend on all of my views being met on everything from anti federalism/nationalism to anti free markets economic policy as part of that.

On that note,as I’ve said,it would arguably be a new reinvented Nationalist Labour Party which would meet all of those conditions than even UKIP.Which is where Shore was trying to take Labour before being rumbled and stopped by the Socialists/Federalists like Wilson and Callaghan.

As for the combined vote of Lab/Con/SNP that doesn’t necessarily mean the same thing as a pro EU vote.While the Cameron Lab/SNP scare tactic was actually all about Cameron trying to create a tactical voting environment which stopped any Con to UKIP swing and which obviously worked.

Nor for that matter does it necessarily mean anything at all in an environment where,as we’ve seen and you’ve said yourself,the electorate is as uneducated as to not even be able to understand the difference between nationalism v federalism or the actual implications of supporting the latter v the former.Which arguably applies to both the Cons and Labour but definitely in the case of the SNP.

On that note UKIP’s 4 million vote is arguably just the tip of the iceberg in the case of the,‘actual’,let alone potential,anti Federalist/EU vote.While hopefully UKIP ( and Labour ) will move towards an increasingly nationalist agenda which builds on UKIP’s obviously already,admittedly limited,anti free labour markets stance regards immigration policy.IE UKIP has at least shown that it is open minded,regarding the idea of protectionism,as opposed to race to the bottom free markets.

In which case we’re actually discussing the failings of an uneducated electorate combined with an unrepresentative electoral system which over states the credibility of the Socialist/cheap labour/Federalist Lab/Con/SNP alliance.When the country is crying out for a Nationalist alliance of a re born Labour and UKIP that looks after the interests of the indigenous working class.

As opposed to the status quo of the same old Federalist pro immigration agenda,with its over supplied labour market and excessive demands for housing and social provision,which you obviously support and which certainly isn’t in the interests of that working class vote.

[billyhunt]

Carryfast:
Firstly no I’m not a UKIP member but definitely a loyal voter at least until/unless the Cons or Labour make some serious changes regards the ( important ) issue of ideology and immigration policy.While ‘if’ I chose to be an actual member of any of them that would depend on all of my views being met on everything from anti federalism/nationalism to anti free markets economic policy as part of that.

On that note,as I’ve said,it would arguably be a new reinvented Nationalist Labour Party which would meet all of those conditions than even UKIP.Which is where Shore was trying to take Labour before being rumbled and stopped by the Socialists/Federalists like Wilson and Callaghan.

As for the combined vote of Lab/Con/SNP that doesn’t necessarily mean the same thing as a pro EU vote.While the Cameron Lab/SNP scare tactic was actually all about Cameron trying to create a tactical voting environment which stopped any Con to UKIP swing and which obviously worked.

Nor for that matter does it necessarily mean anything at all in an environment where,as we’ve seen and you’ve said yourself,the electorate is as uneducated as to not even be able to understand the difference between nationalism v federalism or the actual implications of supporting the latter v the former.Which arguably applies to both the Cons and Labour but definitely in the case of the SNP.

On that note UKIP’s 4 million vote is arguably just the tip of the iceberg in the case of the,‘actual’,let alone potential,anti Federalist/EU vote.While hopefully UKIP ( and Labour ) will move towards an increasingly nationalist agenda which builds on UKIP’s obviously already,admittedly limited,anti free labour markets stance regards immigration policy.IE UKIP has at least shown that it is open minded,regarding the idea of protectionism,as opposed to race to the bottom free markets.

In which case we’re actually discussing the failings of an uneducated electorate combined with an unrepresentative electoral system which over states the credibility of the Socialist/cheap labour/Federalist Lab/Con/SNP alliance.When the country is crying out for a Nationalist alliance of a re born Labour and UKIP that looks after the interests of the indigenous working class.

As opposed to the status quo of the same old Federalist pro immigration agenda,with its over supplied labour market and excessive demands for housing and social provision,which you obviously support and which certainly isn’t in the interests of that working class vote.

Well in that case I would suggest you won’t be joining a party anytime soon, nobody even knowing what your exacting standards are to get that commitment from you, let alone changing to suit them for you, maybe a bit of compromise is in order.
Of course their will be another “new” labour, not necessarily a nationalist one, it’s a bit of a dirty word to the major parties, when they, eventually, pick a new leader. It will be another bliar type leader promising anything & everything & being believed by gullible public.
The general public are uneducated about nationalist v federalist, they see it as in v out and that’s all. I’ve never had a conversation with anyone since we first joined the common market where those ideologies have even been mentioned, not one. They neither know or care what label is put on them, just wether they want to be part of it or not.
Given the success of the government to persuade the population to put them back into office, despite the number of people saying they would vote ukip/ labour/ snp etc, why would you think they would not be equally as good at persuading them to stay in the EU?
As ukip appear to be made up of, mainly, disgruntled Tories with the odd labour defector I think you’ll be waiting some time for a ukip/labour alliance, but then again it is the UK so what do I know.

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BillyHunt:
Of course their will be another “new” labour, not necessarily a nationalist one, it’s a bit of a dirty word to the major parties, when they, eventually, pick a new leader. It will be another bliar type leader promising anything & everything & being believed by gullible public.
The general public are uneducated about nationalist v federalist, they see it as in v out and that’s all. I’ve never had a conversation with anyone since we first joined the common market where those ideologies have even been mentioned, not one.
As ukip appear to be made up of, mainly, disgruntled Tories with the odd labour defector I think you’ll be waiting some time for a ukip/labour alliance, but then again it is the UK so what do I know.

At least that post has defined the issues.I’d suggest that it is all about educating the voting public about the difference between Federalism and Nationalism and the fact that Hitler wasn’t a ‘Nationalist’ he was a specific type at one of the the extremes of Socialism masquerading as a ‘Nationalist’.

Assuming that isn’t possible then the country is just heading for economic and societal disaster.In which it finds itself in a similar situation as Greece economically and the former Yugoslavia in terms of societal upheaval.On that note the country needs to pray that the indigenous population finally wakes up and realises the link between Patriotism and Nationalism.Before it is too late and it ends up in the situation of the combination of trade deficit and import bill and civilised income levels no longer being sustainable,just like Greece.Together with a loss of sovereignty,to both the immigrant population and to the EU Federation,that effectively makes the indigenous population stateless with no control over its own destiny.Probably ending up in an internal war of ethnic self determination and/or EU secession which will finally finish the job that William the Conqueror and the Franco/Norman invasion started.

On that note ironically it might just be the French in the form of the FN that save the day.Depending on ‘if’/wether they can do in France,what a new Nationalist Labour needs to do here,thereby showing the way.

youtube.com/watch?v=9Z5lpi4MIS8

[billyhunt]

Well one thing is certain, in or out, new labour or old labour, Norman’s, French, Greek or whatever, you are definitely a glass half empty type of person. You can singularity manage to see the downside of everything & anything. I sometimes wonder what’s it’s like to live a life where everything people try to do is consistently looked on as the wrong thing. What you’re looking for in a government cannot be found in this day & age.
Sometimes you just have to put your faith in the democratically elected body to do what’s right for all, not just those that voted for them.
I’ve said before that regardless of any way the referendum goes you will find something wrong in it, to me that’s a sad way to live, always looking for the downside while ironically benefitting from the system you obviously hate.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
Well one thing is certain, in or out, new labour or old labour, Norman’s, French, Greek or whatever, you are definitely a glass half empty type of person. You can singularity manage to see the downside of everything & anything. I sometimes wonder what’s it’s like to live a life where everything people try to do is consistently looked on as the wrong thing. What you’re looking for in a government cannot be found in this day & age.
Sometimes you just have to put your faith in the democratically elected body to do what’s right for all, not just those that voted for them.
I’ve said before that regardless of any way the referendum goes you will find something wrong in it, to me that’s a sad way to live, always looking for the downside while ironically benefitting from the system you obviously hate.

When I see a governmental system,that goes against the idea of the nation state and the national interest with foreseeable potentially catastrophic economic and societal results.Then yes I’d ( rightly ) make no apology for seeing the downside in that.

In which case how do you reach the conclusion that I supposedly look on ‘everything’ that people try to do as the ‘wrong thing’.

When it seems clear that I regard the French FN and its leader Marine Le Pen as being one of,if not the,best political leaders and Parties even above Farage and UKIP in terms of political leadership and commitment to the type of Nationalist agenda that’s needed to sort out the issues.

IE you seem to be saying that disagreement with the Federalist Lab/Con/SNP alliance is in some way irredeemably negative in every aspect.When the reality is that support of the Nationalist cause has always been anything but.

While if I was on your side of the argument I’d be more worried about the fact that it seems to have the contradiction of Socialist/Federalist masquerading as so called ‘Nationalist’ in its ranks at least in the form of the SNP.Bearing in mind that there is historic precedent of the undemocratic dictatorial ideology of Socialism and Federalism taking advantage of a gullible,politically uneducated and naive,electorate.Usually with predictable results wether it be ■■■■ Germany or the former Yugoslavia.

[billyhunt]

Fancy you being negative about everything apart from your own narrow view on the world. Starting to show your true allegiance now with support of another psuedo ■■■■ crew, they are national socialists, the type you say don’t exist.

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BillyHunt:
Fancy you being negative about everything apart from your own narrow view on the world. Starting to show your true allegiance now with support of another psuedo ■■■■ crew, they are national socialists, the type you say don’t exist.

Feel free to provide evidence that the FN is ideologically Socialist in title or applies Socialist principles in any way whatsoever.As I said Socialism is all about Federalism and removal of the Nation State and National borders with a large component of social engineering of one form or another wether ethnic integration or extermination.IE everything that Nationalism stands against because,as I said,the ideology of Nationalism can’t possibly also be Socialist. .

Unlike Nationalism this is Socialism in action IE the removal of National borders and the idea of the sovereignty of the nation state.Notice the connection with Federalism as supported by Hollande and Sturgeon and their cheap labour Federalist Con allies.

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[billyhunt]

You’ve already stated your preference for an extreme right wing party along the lines of the bnp, hang whatever title you like on them it doesn’t change what they are. As someone once said, if it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
You’ve already stated your preference for an extreme right wing party along the lines of the bnp, hang whatever title you like on them it doesn’t change what they are. As someone once said, if it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck.

Define what you mean by ‘right wing’ in that case.Bearing in mind that a protectionist trade and labour market policy and anti Federalist position is about as supposedly ‘left wing’ as it gets.Assuming that left wing means acting in the interests of the country’s working class and thereby the country itself.

Although I’m still waiting for the answer as to where you’ve got the idea of a ‘Socialist’ component in the FN’s policy.As opposed to Hollande’s.Going by any of the typical markers of Socialist ideology which I’ve described.In which case no.It describes itself as a ‘Nationalist’ party and honours National sovereignty and the idea of the Nation state like a ‘Nationalist’ party and follows no social engineering agenda,( wether it be ethnic integration or Genocide ),as expected of a ‘Nationalist’ party.Unlike the zb Federalist/Socialist alliance historically and/or to date.

While as Le Pen rightly says ‘right’ and ‘left’ have long since turned into nothing but a diversionary fraud used by the Federalist run establishment against a gullible,politically uneducated and naive,working class electorate that thinks people like Hollande,Merkel,Cameron and Juncker are all acting in their interests.

As for the BNP the clue is in the contradiction of a so called ‘Nationalist’ Party that strangely doesn’t seem to be able to recognise England as being a seperate sovereign nation state nor obviously its neighbours within the British Isles.IE just another Federalist v Nationalist contradiction in its case.The obvious question being why.

[dave_the_renegade]

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
You’ve already stated your preference for an extreme right wing party along the lines of the bnp, hang whatever title you like on them it doesn’t change what they are. As someone once said, if it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck.

Define what you mean by ‘right wing’ in that case.Bearing in mind that a protectionist trade and labour market policy and anti Federalist position is about as supposedly ‘left wing’ as it gets.Assuming that left wing means acting in the interests of the country’s working class and thereby the country itself.

Although I’m still waiting for the answer as to where you’ve got the idea of a ‘Socialist’ component in the FN’s policy.As opposed to Hollande’s.Going by any of the typical markers of Socialist ideology which I’ve described.In which case no.It describes itself as a ‘Nationalist’ party and honours National sovereignty and the idea of the Nation state like a ‘Nationalist’ party and follows no social engineering agenda,( wether it be ethnic integration or Genocide ),as expected of a ‘Nationalist’ party.Unlike the zb Federalist/Socialist alliance historically and/or to date.

While as Le Pen rightly says ‘right’ and ‘left’ have long since turned into nothing but a diversionary fraud used by the Federalist run establishment against a gullible,politically uneducated and naive,working class electorate that thinks people like Hollande,Merkel,Cameron and Juncker are all acting in their interests.

As for the BNP the clue is in the contradiction of a so called ‘Nationalist’ Party that strangely doesn’t seem to be able to recognise England as being a seperate sovereign nation state nor obviously its neighbours within the British Isles.IE just another Federalist v Nationalist contradiction in its case.The obvious question being why.

A big time Professional Agitator would be the correct term for you Geoffrey.

[the_maoster]

Dave the Renegade:
A big time Professional Agitator would be the correct term for you Geoffrey.

Believe it or not, that’s not quite the term I had in mind!

[desypete]

well it seems like some of the torys are looking to form themselves into a no campaign, bet our billy is happy about that

our lord nigel the great saviour and the one who made all this possible for a referendum is busy fighting the corner in Europe, you should have a look at some of his speachess he makes in Europe parliament, he makes question time in our house of commons look like a night out with a prostitute who has genital warts, but there so polite over it all

i can not wait for the campains to get started, as its all getting a bit slow now, however i am sure as the weeks go by we will have plenty more to moan about as the torys will be bound to be causing upsets for people while there in office

i miss a good row over it all

[carryfast]

desypete:
well it seems like some of the torys are looking to form themselves into a no campaign, bet our billy is happy about that

our lord nigel the great saviour and the one who made all this possible for a referendum is busy fighting the corner in Europe, you should have a look at some of his speachess he makes in Europe parliament, he makes question time in our house of commons look like a night out with a prostitute who has genital warts, but there so polite over it all

i can not wait for the campains to get started, as its all getting a bit slow now, however i am sure as the weeks go by we will have plenty more to moan about as the torys will be bound to be causing upsets for people while there in office

i miss a good row over it all

The rows haven’t even started yet.The Cons are now ( rightly ) calling for an increase in the minimum wage to allow a cut in low wage employment tax funded subsidies.That’s really going to pish off the CBI.

While Cameron also knows that he can’t take on the Euro Sceptics in his own ranks without losing his majority and/or without help from the SNP.That’s also going to upset the CBI.

Meanwhile Farage is too busy laughing to even start arguing.Yet.

[desypete]

Carryfast:

desypete:
well it seems like some of the torys are looking to form themselves into a no campaign, bet our billy is happy about that

our lord nigel the great saviour and the one who made all this possible for a referendum is busy fighting the corner in Europe, you should have a look at some of his speachess he makes in Europe parliament, he makes question time in our house of commons look like a night out with a prostitute who has genital warts, but there so polite over it all

i can not wait for the campains to get started, as its all getting a bit slow now, however i am sure as the weeks go by we will have plenty more to moan about as the torys will be bound to be causing upsets for people while there in office

i miss a good row over it all

The rows haven’t even started yet.The Cons are now ( rightly ) calling for an increase in the minimum wage to allow a cut in low wage employment tax funded subsidies.That’s really going to pish off the CBI.

While Cameron also knows that he can’t take on the Euro Sceptics in his own ranks without losing his majority and/or without help from the SNP.That’s also going to upset the CBI.

Meanwhile Farage is too busy laughing to even start arguing.Yet.

just thought i would post a best of farage vid that is on you tube

i simply love this man and how he tells it like it is
have a look and billy should look at it and see how it really should be done for a leader

have you ever seen a leader who can preform like this guy can ? its like a breath of fresh air in politics.

youtube.com/watch?v=HhGNoZfvRoA

[carryfast]

desypete:

Carryfast:

desypete:
well it seems like some of the torys are looking to form themselves into a no campaign, bet our billy is happy about that

our lord nigel the great saviour and the one who made all this possible for a referendum is busy fighting the corner in Europe, you should have a look at some of his speachess he makes in Europe parliament, he makes question time in our house of commons look like a night out with a prostitute who has genital warts, but there so polite over it all

i can not wait for the campains to get started, as its all getting a bit slow now, however i am sure as the weeks go by we will have plenty more to moan about as the torys will be bound to be causing upsets for people while there in office

i miss a good row over it all

The rows haven’t even started yet.The Cons are now ( rightly ) calling for an increase in the minimum wage to allow a cut in low wage employment tax funded subsidies.That’s really going to pish off the CBI.

While Cameron also knows that he can’t take on the Euro Sceptics in his own ranks without losing his majority and/or without help from the SNP.That’s also going to upset the CBI.

Meanwhile Farage is too busy laughing to even start arguing.Yet.

just thought i would post a best of farage vid that is on you tube

i simply love this man and how he tells it like it is
have a look and billy should look at it and see how it really should be done for a leader

have you ever seen a leader who can preform like this guy can ? its like a breath of fresh air in politics.

youtube.com/watch?v=HhGNoZfvRoA

youtube.com/watch?v=W8Q-4t_sZ-A

youtube.com/watch?v=jIgpSqwT69w

[billyhunt]

As usual you are wrong DP, this is his best ever speech. A man you can truly believe & believe in. My arse.
youtube.com/watch?v=O2z37tt2wSs