Election 2015 exit poll

[billyhunt]

desypete:

BillyHunt:
Ah DP I do find your one eyed view amusing, how ukip have come along and saved us all. Yes they spoke and we listened, so much so they now have an MP all of their own, weren’t you one of those saying they needed double figures or it’s a waste of time? Yes your right, get all those immigrants sent home or stopped & we can all flock to get those jobs left behind, I can see you working at McDs flipping burgers. Once they’ve all gone you’ll no doubt be on complaining about how things aren’t getting done anymore & wondering why.
For the record there are plenty good jobs out there, you just have to go & find them, and be qualified of course.

how many euro mps do the torys have ? i forget the figure billy care to remind me ?

the people spoke loud and clear in the euro elections billy they voted ukip as they want out. if the people didnt want to be out of europe they would of voted labour in

i love the way you see things to billy if i remember right your from the north east which i find amazing there are any well paid jobs up that way as its always been one of the worst hit areas for low pay
i can remember many years ago working out of manchester for a company and doing work alongside heron transport that were based in the north east, i was on £5.25 an hour back then with o/t after 8 hours, the heron lads were on £3.60 flat rate. a huge difference in wages for the same job

its the same now in parts of wales as some of the lads working out of there are paid minimum wage per hour, the company’s get away with it as people will not move away from there homes

i am not surprised you dont have the same problems with emigration as the rest of us billy as even the immigrants wouldnt come and work in the north east as they flock to were the better money is to be had so they can send it home, meanwhile those who live here will end up like you say billy working out of macdonalds feeding the polish truck drivers and the indian nhs staff lol

hence you will find out billy that the country is looking to the future and can only see more of the same year in year out unless we put our foot down and say enough is enough

its not racist behaviour its common sense

if you want them here so much billy i would suggest you make room for them to live in your home, feed them and let them run your home just how they wish. i am sure your wages can afford to keep them and as you feel the need to help them so much then you can bloody way pay for them yourself and not expect me or anyone else to pay for them or give up jobs or homes for them.

our council has had to spend out a lot of money in our area to provide a mosque for 60 Muslims in our area to attend, it can not afford to do other vital jobs in the areas so they have to be put on hold, but has to be seen to be political correct in its treatment of migrants who come here to live and then demand we turn our town into a place that is more like home for them.

this sort of thing is happening all around and people are going to food banks while money get wasted on this sort of nonsense, its created real racial tensions in our area, some have nailed pigs heads to the doors of the mosque in protest

the police now have to have more money to make sure the place gets extra protection, so people are just not listened to and money goes on getting wasted time and time again for all sorts of silly things all aimed at trying to promote harmony by political correct nutters

i love the road sign that says welcome to England, and someone added, you will feel more at home more than we do

personally i would of added welcome to England, what’s left of it

thats the mood many people feel billy these days as the problem is huge in many parts hence ukip smashed the torys in the euro votes and thats what counts now as we are facing the in out vote

and may i say it will be an honour to come on here after the vote is done and smile at you billy,
it will be the end of all the rules and regs coming over from Europe, we will be able to police our shores and control who comes in, there will be jobs flying around in the hgv world and the money wil have to go up to attract drivers and drivers will start getting some real value for there job they do firms will not be in to much of a hurry to get rid of them as there will need there skills and not relay on the steady import of cheap labour

dare i say it but the cpc card might be a thing of the past, what a waste of time and money that has proved to be, and all the other rules and regs that come over to us from Europe

Your going to have to stop with these replies, my sides are sore from laughing so hard. The kippers got 24 seats the Tories 19, well done there, as I’m sure your aware I did say at the time I expected them to do well and they did. I also said that it would do them no good come general election time & guess what? I was correct. It just shows, as I’ve also said before, that when it comes to the big issues people don’t trust them to get the job done. I fully expect the same again this time around, just make sure there are no sharp objects around when the results come in, I don’t want you injuring yourself.
Yes we do alright up here, decent pay, low prices, cheap housing but we don’t like telling you southern shandy bashers just I case you try to move here, I’d much prefer Europeans up here tbh, they work hard & don’t whine about everything, not always ■■■■■■■■ about how crap it is now & how good it was years ago. Pretty soon you’ll be coming out with the old “we lived in a shoebox, worked 27 hours a day, ate dirt & we had to pay for the privilege”
I feel you’re the one that will be disappointed come referendum results day, but on the bright side you & Lord nige are used to getting beat in elections so you should be used to it by now.

[billyhunt]

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
I could be wrong here, I am sometimes, but don’t you think if that was a viable option it would have been tried before? Still, you could always pass it along to Lord farage & see if he fancies it, my guess is hell prefer to go down the referendum route, he could always have it in his back pocket in case of another defeat.
I think the 1707 thing has passed its sell by date.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32899104
Heated some light reading on why I could be wrong on one point, I told you it happens.

In the case of the treasonous act of handing over national/state sovereignty to foreign federal government there can be no sell by date.The act of Scottish Union being no different to Heath’s actions in 1973 in that regard.

While it seems obvious that the in campaign is realistically based on the combination of the self interest groups made up of socialism ( therefore ideologically opposed to the idea of the nation state ),the CBI who perceive an ‘advantage’ whatever that ‘advantage’ might be,Conservative Unionist/Federalist ideology.

Then last but not least the fact that ‘if’ any EU state is seen to secede on grounds of sovereignty.Or ‘if’ the EU system of government is changed to a Confederal type one in which the individual Sates have supreme sovereignty,that would obviously raise questions and implications regarding the future stability of the US Federal system as of at least 1865.While vice versa in the case of closer EU integration to the point where it becomes the USE.

As for the ‘question’.Unlike 1975 and bearing in mind the implications.

The question should include the statement that ‘‘the domestic government has reviewed the decision to join the EEC/EU in 1973 and has decided it wasn’t and therefore isn’t in the national interest’’.

Therefore.Do you agree that we should leave the EU with immediate effect.

As for the reasons why that won’t happen see above.

I didn’t realise we’d handed over sovereignty but hey ho.
So who goes into the dock to face trial for these crimes, I would imagine everyone involved with 1973 has checked out by now, and as for the scots well they’re all long gone.
I think the question is spot on, not too difficult for the likes of DP to understand, not too simple. Your version is simply incorrect & therefore not a valid question.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
I didn’t realise we’d handed over sovereignty but hey ho.
So who goes into the dock to face trial for these crimes, I would imagine everyone involved with 1973 has checked out by now, and as for the scots well they’re all long gone.
I think the question is spot on, not too difficult for the likes of DP to understand, not too simple. Your version is simply incorrect & therefore not a valid question.

In this case proof of ‘the crime’ is/should be/was always enough to void our EU membership.While actually prosecuting those like Heath is obviously irrelevant.

As for the idea that we hadn’t handed over sovereignty.Feel free to explain how the definition of article 249/288 TEC or 291 (1) doesn’t mean exactly that.

‘‘A regulation shall have general application it shall be binding in its entirety and directly applicable in all Member States’’.

‘‘Member States shall adopt all measures of national law necessary to implement legally binding Union acts’’.

brugesgroup.com/eu/britain-a … m?xp=paper

youtube.com/watch?v=K9GhIDvoF44

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[desypete]

BillyHunt:

desypete:

BillyHunt:
Ah DP I do find your one eyed view amusing, how ukip have come along and saved us all. Yes they spoke and we listened, so much so they now have an MP all of their own, weren’t you one of those saying they needed double figures or it’s a waste of time? Yes your right, get all those immigrants sent home or stopped & we can all flock to get those jobs left behind, I can see you working at McDs flipping burgers. Once they’ve all gone you’ll no doubt be on complaining about how things aren’t getting done anymore & wondering why.
For the record there are plenty good jobs out there, you just have to go & find them, and be qualified of course.

how many euro mps do the torys have ? i forget the figure billy care to remind me ?

the people spoke loud and clear in the euro elections billy they voted ukip as they want out. if the people didnt want to be out of europe they would of voted labour in

i love the way you see things to billy if i remember right your from the north east which i find amazing there are any well paid jobs up that way as its always been one of the worst hit areas for low pay
i can remember many years ago working out of manchester for a company and doing work alongside heron transport that were based in the north east, i was on £5.25 an hour back then with o/t after 8 hours, the heron lads were on £3.60 flat rate. a huge difference in wages for the same job

its the same now in parts of wales as some of the lads working out of there are paid minimum wage per hour, the company’s get away with it as people will not move away from there homes

i am not surprised you dont have the same problems with emigration as the rest of us billy as even the immigrants wouldnt come and work in the north east as they flock to were the better money is to be had so they can send it home, meanwhile those who live here will end up like you say billy working out of macdonalds feeding the polish truck drivers and the indian nhs staff lol

hence you will find out billy that the country is looking to the future and can only see more of the same year in year out unless we put our foot down and say enough is enough

its not racist behaviour its common sense

if you want them here so much billy i would suggest you make room for them to live in your home, feed them and let them run your home just how they wish. i am sure your wages can afford to keep them and as you feel the need to help them so much then you can bloody way pay for them yourself and not expect me or anyone else to pay for them or give up jobs or homes for them.

our council has had to spend out a lot of money in our area to provide a mosque for 60 Muslims in our area to attend, it can not afford to do other vital jobs in the areas so they have to be put on hold, but has to be seen to be political correct in its treatment of migrants who come here to live and then demand we turn our town into a place that is more like home for them.

this sort of thing is happening all around and people are going to food banks while money get wasted on this sort of nonsense, its created real racial tensions in our area, some have nailed pigs heads to the doors of the mosque in protest

the police now have to have more money to make sure the place gets extra protection, so people are just not listened to and money goes on getting wasted time and time again for all sorts of silly things all aimed at trying to promote harmony by political correct nutters

i love the road sign that says welcome to England, and someone added, you will feel more at home more than we do

personally i would of added welcome to England, what’s left of it

thats the mood many people feel billy these days as the problem is huge in many parts hence ukip smashed the torys in the euro votes and thats what counts now as we are facing the in out vote

and may i say it will be an honour to come on here after the vote is done and smile at you billy,
it will be the end of all the rules and regs coming over from Europe, we will be able to police our shores and control who comes in, there will be jobs flying around in the hgv world and the money wil have to go up to attract drivers and drivers will start getting some real value for there job they do firms will not be in to much of a hurry to get rid of them as there will need there skills and not relay on the steady import of cheap labour

dare i say it but the cpc card might be a thing of the past, what a waste of time and money that has proved to be, and all the other rules and regs that come over to us from Europe

Your going to have to stop with these replies, my sides are sore from laughing so hard. The kippers got 24 seats the Tories 19, well done there, as I’m sure your aware I did say at the time I expected them to do well and they did. I also said that it would do them no good come general election time & guess what? I was correct. It just shows, as I’ve also said before, that when it comes to the big issues people don’t trust them to get the job done. I fully expect the same again this time around, just make sure there are no sharp objects around when the results come in, I don’t want you injuring yourself.
Yes we do alright up here, decent pay, low prices, cheap housing but we don’t like telling you southern shandy bashers just I case you try to move here, I’d much prefer Europeans up here tbh, they work hard & don’t whine about everything, not always ■■■■■■■■ about how crap it is now & how good it was years ago. Pretty soon you’ll be coming out with the old “we lived in a shoebox, worked 27 hours a day, ate dirt & we had to pay for the privilege”
I feel you’re the one that will be disappointed come referendum results day, but on the bright side you & Lord nige are used to getting beat in elections so you should be used to it by now.

which parts made you laugh billy ?

the sign that reads
welcome to england you will feel more at home here than we do ?

or the other one
welcome to england whats left of it ?

i must admit i laughed at those signs to as there so true and sums up the mood of the country to a t in my book

but of course you have hope in your heart billy that people will ignore whats going and that they will some how all believe everything is going just great as it is

ukip would never have got a seat in the euros if everything was hunky dory lets alone knock the torys for 6 in those elections

it did one thing it made the torys sit up and take notice that people are not happy about Europe and immigration. it finally got the message past the racist finger pointing that for so long has protected the loony political correct nutters for so long

the mighty Farage single handedly battered the torys with his presence and presentation, it was and is no nonsense talk and right to the point. he dared to say the things that no other politician would ever dare to say as there all to scared of how it might damage there career

the most amazing thing happened billy when all the hate campaigners started there war cry against farage and ukip the more they tried to turn on ukip the more support ukip got

people pleased its a racist party yet still the voters voted for them ingnoring all that sort of political correct nonsense

thats what ukip have done billy in there short time, they have made being unhappy with the state of the country and being able to say so freely and complaining about all the immigrants a topic open for debate, rather than pushed down and people made to feel no one listens etc

without ukip billy we would not be arguing at all

look how long this argument has gone on it seems like forever, from the euro elections ukip did well, then the 2 by elections ukip did great, then comes the general election and ukip got a great support but sadly because of how the system is they ended up with just 1 mp

4 million voters are not being represented, in fact the country is not being lead by a party that has the majority of the people behind it

more people voted against the torys than for it yet look how its turned out

well on the europe vote there will be no place for tricks or areas to manipulate its simple
1 person 1 vote and all the votes will count either yes or no

so if it was a vote for do you want the torys to rule us the answer would be a huge no vote by almost 70% of the people

i still can not get my head around the fact that so many people voted against the torys and yet the torys not only won but got a majority

almost 70% of the people dont want tory rule. ukip gets 4 millon votes compared to the snp who got 2 million, they get 1 mp and the snp get 56

so in my mind billy there is something not right here at all but the main fact is we get a vote and each vote is really going to count this time. i believe we will be out of europe and we will save our lands and protect our kids for there futures
the doors will get closed and we can go back to ruling ourselves again, the cpc card will go so its got to be a good thing

[carryfast]

desypete:
so in my mind billy there is something not right here at all but the main fact is we get a vote and each vote is really going to count this time. i believe we will be out of europe and we will save our lands and protect our kids for there futures
the doors will get closed and we can go back to ruling ourselves again, the cpc card will go so its got to be a good thing

The inconvenient fact for that being that most if not all of the anti Con vote,with the exception of an unknown quantity of the Labour vote,is arguably even more Europhile and pro immigration than the Cons are.Just for different reaasons IE the ideologically Socialist/Federalist ideology of SNP/Lab/Libdem/Green v cheap labour ideologically Federalist Con.

Make no mistake the out campaign and any anti immigration agenda has a mountain to climb against that combined vote,which has more in common with each other,than UKIP on every policy which matters.

In this case our enemies’ enemy in the form of the Eurosceptic Conservatives like Hannan etc are ‘our’ friends.Just as Powell was ( rightly ) the ‘friend’ of the out campaign and anti immigration agenda of the ( thinking anti Socialist ) Labour vote in the 1970’s.

[billyhunt]

No DP I wasn’t laughing at the signs, it’s your one eyed view of things, your obvious man crush on saint Nigel, the mighty farage! I actually spat some tea out when I read that, where is he btw, you’d think he’d be out banging the drum getting more empty headed loons on his side, maybe he’s changed his mind again, he does tend to do that these days.
As you can see by the latest tnuk poll not many are interested in the referendum, that’s what your lot will be up against, voter apathy brought about by the vast majority being happy with their current circumstances, working, getting pay rises, it’s amazing what a bit of extra cash in your pocket will do. Happy days all round.
It’s been explained before about the voting system & how it works. Your lot could have got 20 million votes & 649 second places & still have just 1 MP. It’s not the same as the referendum whereby, as you say, it’s a vote for yes or no, simple.
You seem to be going through a phase of “the good old days” so here’s a bit for you. Think back, or read up if you wish, as to who came to help us a few years ago when we were getting our backsides kicked by the might of the German army.

[billyhunt]

Carryfast:

desypete:
so in my mind billy there is something not right here at all but the main fact is we get a vote and each vote is really going to count this time. i believe we will be out of europe and we will save our lands and protect our kids for there futures
the doors will get closed and we can go back to ruling ourselves again, the cpc card will go so its got to be a good thing

The inconvenient fact for that being that most if not all of the anti Con vote,with the exception of an unknown quantity of the Labour vote,is arguably even more Europhile and pro immigration than the Cons are.Just for different reaasons IE the ideologically Socialist/Federalist ideology of SNP/Lab/Libdem/Green v cheap labour ideologically Federalist Con.

Make no mistake the out campaign and any anti immigration agenda has a mountain to climb against that combined vote,which has more in common with each other,than UKIP on every policy which matters.

In this case our enemies’ enemy in the form of the Eurosceptic Conservatives like Hannan etc are ‘our’ friends.Just as Powell was ( rightly ) the ‘friend’ of the out campaign and anti immigration agenda of the ( thinking anti Socialist ) Labour vote in the 1970’s.

Correct, and this means it won’t be the walkover some on here expect, not by a long way.

[desypete]

BillyHunt:
No DP I wasn’t laughing at the signs, it’s your one eyed view of things, your obvious man crush on saint Nigel, the mighty farage! I actually spat some tea out when I read that, where is he btw, you’d think he’d be out banging the drum getting more empty headed loons on his side, maybe he’s changed his mind again, he does tend to do that these days.
As you can see by the latest tnuk poll not many are interested in the referendum, that’s what your lot will be up against, voter apathy brought about by the vast majority being happy with their current circumstances, working, getting pay rises, it’s amazing what a bit of extra cash in your pocket will do. Happy days all round.
It’s been explained before about the voting system & how it works. Your lot could have got 20 million votes & 649 second places & still have just 1 MP. It’s not the same as the referendum whereby, as you say, it’s a vote for yes or no, simple.
You seem to be going through a phase of “the good old days” so here’s a bit for you. Think back, or read up if you wish, as to who came to help us a few years ago when we were getting our backsides kicked by the might of the German army.

sadly billy as you bring the war up, how sad it is that so many gave there lives to keep brtiain as the country they knew and loved, free from Germany and dictators

now we have given away everything that was british and all happy to go along with being good little Europeans, just what did so many give there lives for ? we should of just gave in and saved that loss of life

anyway back to the main slug feast.

i dont expect it will be easy at all for the get out vote as there will be a high number of political correct nutters from all partys, except ukip or the bnp or the other party’s that promote Britain first etc

as for the poll on here i havent voted on it yet as its a long way off so i am trying not to get to excited

mr enoch Powell was so right all those years ago with his claims of what this country would shape up to be

i will make a futher claim if we stay in Europe then hgv driving will go the same way as the nhs is today, it will become dependant on people coming in from other lands to do the job as our own people look at the hours and the pay and go off to work in other jobs these days that they can make a better living out of or the smart ones do there training here then bugger off to other country’s where they get better pay and conditions

why doesnt anyone ask the question why are there so many people from other lands working in the nhs today ? is it because there smarter or better at the job ? or is it because there the only ones who will work for the pay there on as our own people dont seem to want to rush out to become a nurse anymore

futher more is the fact there are so many people in the nhs who speak a different language etc does it make the English speaking staff feel there not in england anymore ? as i hear from lots of people that were ever they go now there is no one they can chat to and the driving game has gone the same way, facorys are the same to

yet we still have 2 million people unemployed in this country if we have so many jobs that need doing why do we have so many people out of work still ?

i would suggest the cheap labour that comes over here is the main reason for that state of affairs

but for me i want out of europe as i dont want to be told what i have to do by them, if i want to work more than 48 hours every week then i should be free to do so as its my time i have to trade with and if i want to make big money then thats what i would do
along with all the rest of the rules and reg Europe keeps finding to impose. you even need training now to open and close a trailer door or how to pull a curtain or get in and out of a cab

all thanks to our friends in europe who get paid to find things to improve our lives, it doesnt matter if we want it or not its always a must

now that lot together with the low wages and condtions that many people have to face is more than enough reasons for me to pull the plug, i have never forgotten the old money we used to have

a pound was worth 240 pennys then some pilock though it a good idea to join the common market and change our money over to theres so a loss of 140 pennys in ever pound was seen as a good thing
the whole country had to be taught how to handle the new money i was in school in those days so we got taught that way but i can remember all the old folks trying to work things out going from imperial to metric

so yes its not going to be easy billy i really do think its to close to call to be honest but of course i have to hope it goes the way i want it to and its not because i am racist either as i am not, but i value this country like a scotsman valures scotland or a welsh or irish and i dont hear anyone telling us there racist because they value there home land

well there is another load of bollox for you to pick out billy

[billyhunt]

Yes many were killed fighting for the country they loved, both here & in Europe, luckily for us some of them came over here to help in a time of great need. We welcomed them then, because we needed them. That was the real start of a united Europe.
Enoch Powell ffs! Where are his rivers of blood then? I don’t see it happening anytime soon.
I don’t know about staffing in the nhs, I’ve never spent a night in hospital, but I should imagine it’s a pretty high stress job, long hours, lots of university time getting qualified only to spend your shifts being abused by drunks, sounds like a top job.
As for work I’m more than happy to work less than 48 hrs a week, I do 45. Could that be the reason less drivers fall asleep at the wheel these days? Years ago they wanted it cut to 38 hrs, even happier with that. Harking back to your rosy glasses days here, six bin men’s jobs done by 2.mthey used to say things will be better in the future, we will have machines to do all the work giving us more leisure time, now it’s called unemployment. It’s way less than 2 mill btw, and getting lower.
Why are you so obsessed with 240 pennies in a pound? I remember those days, if you had £2 in change you couldn’t walk along the street as you were weighed down with coins. pretty soon we won’t use cash at all & I can’t wait for that either, It’s called progress.
Nothing wrong with being proud to be English, I am. But I’d rather live in an England that is open to all rather than live in a closed, insular society, refusing entry to those that helped us in a time of need. Because it wouldn’t stop there.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
Yes many were killed fighting for the country they loved, both here & in Europe, luckily for us some of them came over here to help in a time of great need. We welcomed them then, because we needed them. That was the real start of a united Europe.
Enoch Powell ffs! Where are his rivers of blood then? I don’t see it happening anytime soon.
I don’t know about staffing in the nhs, I’ve never spent a night in hospital, but I should imagine it’s a pretty high stress job, long hours, lots of university time getting qualified only to spend your shifts being abused by drunks, sounds like a top job.
As for work I’m more than happy to work less than 48 hrs a week, I do 45. Could that be the reason less drivers fall asleep at the wheel these days? Years ago they wanted it cut to 38 hrs, even happier with that. Harking back to your rosy glasses days here, six bin men’s jobs done by 2.mthey used to say things will be better in the future, we will have machines to do all the work giving us more leisure time, now it’s called unemployment. It’s way less than 2 mill btw, and getting lower.
Why are you so obsessed with 240 pennies in a pound? I remember those days, if you had £2 in change you couldn’t walk along the street as you were weighed down with coins. pretty soon we won’t use cash at all & I can’t wait for that either, It’s called progress.
Nothing wrong with being proud to be English, I am. But I’d rather live in an England that is open to all rather than live in a closed, insular society, refusing entry to those that helped us in a time of need. Because it wouldn’t stop there.

Your ideas related to some rose tinted idea of people happily marching off to war seems to ignore the facts of how we got there.IE warmongers like Churchill and their French cronies kicking off WW1,when there was no need.Thereby plunging the country and Germany into a foreseeable financial catastrophe which equally predictably lead directly into WW2.

Or the small matter of conscription of those who knew the whole thing was a result of such stupidity but who didn’t have much choice in the matter of then having to go and clear up the mess caused by such idiot politicians.Or the fact that people like the Poles weren’t fighting for England they were ( rightly ) fighting for Poland just as we were to start with,not vice versa and certainly no side was fighting in order to inflict on themselves the open door immigration policy,which you’ve described and seem to be all about and which goes against all the ideas of the nation state.Although it’s no surprise to see the contradictory,but unarguable,alliance between Socialist and Con Federalist ideology in your post.

Although that’s obviously to be expected in the case of a Party which admires people like Churchill who was happy to fight against/try to crush Irish nationalism when it suited him.But who then committed himself in the support of Serb Nationalism against German/Austrian federalism when it didn’t.Or which is torn between its own Federalist v Anti Federalist contradiction of people like Heath,Thatcher,Major and Cameron v those like Farage and Hannan.IE spare us all the Con hypocrisy of a Party which is basically dedicated to the idea of exploitative non Fordist Capitalism and Federalism and which is even happier if/when it sees an opportunity to combine the two as in the case of its support of the EU and its open door immigration policy.

While at least Labour has the excuse of generally being too thick to understand that the idea of Socialism and Federalism won’t work.When what is needed is a Nationalist Party which looks after the interests of the indigenous working class under a Fordist Capitalist system.Which unfortunately was never part of Wilson’s,Callaghan’s,Blair’s or Brown’s agenda.Nor,unbelievably even the Unions,when they decided to put their weight behind supporting those with your Federalist pro EU,pro immigration,ideas.

[billyhunt]

I never said they were happily marching off to war, you’ve just put that in. Great, another history lesson, I loved it at school but your fluid versions, to suit your purpose, bore the pants off me. Any chance you can tell me what you do like as it’s obvious you don’t like unionism, federalism, nationalism, socialism & no doubt many other isms I’ve missed off.
Maybe you & DP should go somewhere your ideas of “no outsiders allowed” would be welcomed, how does North Korea sound? The pair of you would be in your version of nirvana.
I do like the fact that you can go anywhere in Europe without having to stop at borders & wait for ages to enter a country every few hours, don’t have to change your money into 15 different currencies. It doesn’t bother me if people want to come here to try & get a better life for themselves, that’s what we all want. I’m sure you’ll have an ism for it.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
Any chance you can tell me what you do like as it’s obvious you don’t like unionism, federalism, nationalism, socialism & no doubt many other isms I’ve missed off.
Maybe you & DP should go somewhere your ideas of “no outsiders allowed” would be welcomed, how does North Korea sound? The pair of you would be in your version of nirvana.
I do like the fact that you can go anywhere in Europe without having to stop at borders & wait for ages to enter a country every few hours, don’t have to change your money into 15 different currencies. It doesn’t bother me if people want to come here to try & get a better life for themselves

Exactly where did you get the idea that I don’t follow a Nationalist therefore anti Federalist agenda.

Unlike the East Europeans,amongst others,who seem to be happy enough to be Nationalists when it suits them and then Federalists when it doesn’t.As for border controls and what ( isn’t yet ) an open door immigration hotspot with increasing calls for even less immigration,Switzerland isn’t exactly North Korea in that regard.

[billyhunt]

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
Any chance you can tell me what you do like as it’s obvious you don’t like unionism, federalism, nationalism, socialism & no doubt many other isms I’ve missed off.
Maybe you & DP should go somewhere your ideas of “no outsiders allowed” would be welcomed, how does North Korea sound? The pair of you would be in your version of nirvana.
I do like the fact that you can go anywhere in Europe without having to stop at borders & wait for ages to enter a country every few hours, don’t have to change your money into 15 different currencies. It doesn’t bother me if people want to come here to try & get a better life for themselves

Exactly where did you get the idea that I don’t follow a Nationalist therefore anti Federalist agenda.

Unlike the East Europeans,amongst others,who seem to be happy enough to be Nationalists when it suits them and then Federalists when it doesn’t.As for border controls and what ( isn’t yet ) an open door immigration hotspot with increasing calls for even less immigration,Switzerland isn’t exactly North Korea in that regard.

You could sat the same about the Swiss being what they need to be when they need to be it. As a country that produces nothing itself without buying in materials, mainly from the EU countries, processes them & resells them, mainly to the EU, it can bang on about cutting immigration all it likes, but the tightening of trade barriers will tend to have them do as they’re told. The fact is they couldn’t survive without the EU.
I always had you down as a sort of national socialist, maybe I should change it to elitist.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
Any chance you can tell me what you do like as it’s obvious you don’t like unionism, federalism, nationalism, socialism & no doubt many other isms I’ve missed off.
Maybe you & DP should go somewhere your ideas of “no outsiders allowed” would be welcomed, how does North Korea sound? The pair of you would be in your version of nirvana.
I do like the fact that you can go anywhere in Europe without having to stop at borders & wait for ages to enter a country every few hours, don’t have to change your money into 15 different currencies. It doesn’t bother me if people want to come here to try & get a better life for themselves

Exactly where did you get the idea that I don’t follow a Nationalist therefore anti Federalist agenda.

Unlike the East Europeans,amongst others,who seem to be happy enough to be Nationalists when it suits them and then Federalists when it doesn’t.As for border controls and what ( isn’t yet ) an open door immigration hotspot with increasing calls for even less immigration,Switzerland isn’t exactly North Korea in that regard.

You could sat the same about the Swiss being what they need to be when they need to be it. As a country that produces nothing itself without buying in materials, mainly from the EU countries, processes them & resells them, mainly to the EU, it can bang on about cutting immigration all it likes, but the tightening of trade barriers will tend to have them do as they’re told. The fact is they couldn’t survive without the EU.
I always had you down as a sort of national socialist, maybe I should change it to elitist.

So you’re saying that you support the use of trade sanctions against any country that refuses to go along with your dictatorial Federalist ideas.When the idea of not doing what we were told by the zb German Federalist/Socialists and their federalist dream of a 3rd Reich,was exactly what we were fighting against in WW2.Being that there can be no such possible thing as a ‘Nationalist’/‘Socialist’ there’s no way that anyone can be both and I’ve made it clear enough that I’m a Nationalist not a Socialist.Bearing in mind as I said it is impossible to merge both ideologies which was the lie contained in Hitler’s so called ‘Nationalist’ agenda.

While I’ve got you down as following the same old Federalist/Socialist agenda of those like Tito,Stalin,Lincoln and all the rest being that your idea of telling the Swiss,or us,that we will ‘do what we’re told’ by people like you,or suffer the ‘consequences’,is all the clue we need.

As for your Federalist/Socialist cronies trying the same idea against us,as you obviously support them doing against the Swiss, suggest you check out how much Germany and the EU stands to lose v us if push came to shove in a trade war.Although it’s no surprise that the Federalists/Socialists can conveniently ignore the definition of trade deficit in our favour v surplus which obviously isn’t in Germany’s/EU’s,when it suits them.

[billyhunt]

If you read it again you’ll see I didn’t actually say I supported sanctions against the Swiss, just that it’s a possibility. Do stop making stuff up to suit your arguments, its right there for all to read. They were going on about immigration a while back, going to have a referendum as I recall, nothing seems to have happened, coincidence?
The point with the Swiss is that, even though they aren’t in the EU, always held up as proof that we could get along outside of it, they have tended to get themselves into a position whereby they rely on the EU for virtually all their trade, and as such would suffer greatly should EU countries decide to go elsewhere. That’s not me saying they would, or that I would agree with it if they did, or that I think they should, just that it’s a possibility.
I don’t mind being called a federalist as it means bugger all to me, or the majority, as long as it keeps you happy. It’s a bit rich coming from you though given your ability to tell all & sundry how wrong they’ve been to vote this way or that, how wrong they are to support anything you don’t like.
I don’t know how it will affect Germany, or anyone else come to that, if we vote No, I’m sure you’ll tell me though. If the threat of it means we get more consessions then I’m happy with that. My view is that the Prime Minister will get some, but not all, of what he wants, which will be enough to get a Yes vote. When that happens you’ll just have to ■■■■ it up I’m afraid.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
If you read it again you’ll see I didn’t actually say I supported sanctions against the Swiss, just that it’s a possibility. Do stop making stuff up to suit your arguments, its right there for all to read. They were going on about immigration a while back, going to have a referendum as I recall, nothing seems to have happened, coincidence?
The point with the Swiss is that, even though they aren’t in the EU, always held up as proof that we could get along outside of it, they have tended to get themselves into a position whereby they rely on the EU for virtually all their trade, and as such would suffer greatly should EU countries decide to go elsewhere. That’s not me saying they would, or that I would agree with it if they did, or that I think they should, just that it’s a possibility.
I don’t mind being called a federalist as it means bugger all to me, or the majority, as long as it keeps you happy. It’s a bit rich coming from you though given your ability to tell all & sundry how wrong they’ve been to vote this way or that, how wrong they are to support anything you don’t like.
I don’t know how it will affect Germany, or anyone else come to that, if we vote No, I’m sure you’ll tell me though. If the threat of it means we get more consessions then I’m happy with that. My view is that the Prime Minister will get some, but not all, of what he wants, which will be enough to get a Yes vote. When that happens you’ll just have to ■■■■ it up I’m afraid.

Firstly the whole issue of ‘re negotitiation’ is nothing but the same old continuation of the fraud that Heath and then Wilson used to put us into the scam.IE the issue is about the loss of sovereignty from day 1 of joining.While even the so called ‘immigration’ reservations that Cameron is supposedly about are just a smoke screen of a few extra regulations regards benefits not the free movement issue.

As for your statements regards EU ‘sanctions’ against any country which refuses to follow its directives it seems obvious that you are talking from a position of support of same.While the out campaign point of view would/should mean us getting out then re joining EFTA then us ‘and’ Switzerland ‘would’ have the required economic leverage,to tell the EU to zb off and do one when trying to use economic blackmail to get its federalist way being that as we’re now seeing the Germans for one know that they are zb’d if they end up in an economic fight with us.Which is where we ‘would’/‘should’ have been in 1973 ‘if’ Heath and his treasonous Federalist cronies had been stopped.On that note the in campaign, let alone another in vote,is no more valid or legal than it was in 1975.The fact is it is an act of treason against the national interest.

As proven by the fact that even its own support,as described in your post,shows that at best the in campaign’s argument is one of appeasement of economic blackmail by a foreign federalist cartel.While at worst collusion with it.Bearing in mind that even the blackmail in question is from a position of economic weakness from the blackmailer’s point of view.Especially ‘if’ we chose to stand up to it by telling them we’re out and ‘if’ that means a trade war with the EU even better bring it on because we can only win it.

All of which suggests that Heath’s and the Federalist’s idea of the EEC/EU ‘keeping the peace in Europe’ was/is all about the appeasement of German Federalist economic blackmail,for fear of Germany kicking off yet more aggro yet again.

[billyhunt]

What a strange mind you must have if it turns me saying it could happen into something I support happening, despite me saying I didn’t support it! You really should stick to your own leanings without trying to make up things plainly not said, it doesn’t do you any favours.
Ahh right, you just want the British empire back so we can rule over countries again. Times have moved on I’m afraid and dinosaurs like you & DP have been left behind, and we will be all the better for it.
As for the rest, nothing’s proven, as I said it just my view. Are you dyslexic or do you have really poor eyesight because you seem to struggle reading my posts correctly. Try commenting on what’s written, not what you think I’ve written.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
What a strange mind you must have if it turns me saying it could happen into something I support happening, despite me saying I didn’t support it! You really should stick to your own leanings without trying to make up things plainly not said, it doesn’t do you any favours.
Ahh right, you just want the British empire back so we can rule over countries again. Times have moved on I’m afraid and dinosaurs like you & DP have been left behind, and we will be all the better for it.
As for the rest, nothing’s proven, as I said it just my view. Are you dyslexic or do you have really poor eyesight because you seem to struggle reading my posts correctly. Try commenting on what’s written, not what you think I’ve written.

How could I have read your position wrong when :

(1) You’ve acknowledged that the EU uses the threat of trade ‘sanctions’ to force its directives and rulings,such as immigration policy for example,over the national sovereignty of member states’ governments to make their own independent policies,or even non member states like Switzerland.

(2) You still obviously support being part of the scam in that knowledge thereby obviously justifying it in your view.

Whereas ‘if’ you didn’t support it,as you say,you’d obviously be on the out campaign side of the argument not supporting our continued membership of it.

As for the British Empire which part of I am a Nationalist and therefore by definition not an Imperialist/Federalist and as such recognise the right of sovereignty and self determination of other countries,as well as I do my own,don’t you understand.On that note it is the Federalist/cheap labour pro immigration agenda who conveniently seem to overlook the independence of ex Commonwealth States like India in trying to make the case that the ‘Commonwealth’ still exists when it suits them.

[billyhunt]

You’re showing others that you cannot read & digest posts very well as:

1. I’ve acknowledge nothing happening as I’ve no idea if it does, show me the part of my post that says I know that sanctions are applied to those that step out of line.

2. Reading the above will make your assumptions in No 2 irrelevant.

3. Reading 1 & 2, and seeing that you are completely wrong, again, will mean I don’t have to follow your advice & vote no.
   You seem to be going down your normal, well worn ,path of making up parts of posts you don’t agree with, turning them into things that haven’t been said. Do you realise you do this all the time?
   Nationalist, federalist, imperialist, who cares? It doesn’t make you a good person, just a label that people like you love hanging on people you know nothing about trying to make yourself feel superior. Dinosaurs like yourself bringing up the past ancient history need to be consigned to the dustbin, you’re past your sell by date & your outdated ideas irrelevant.

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
You’re showing others that you cannot read & digest posts very well as:

1. I’ve acknowledge nothing happening as I’ve no idea if it does, show me the part of my post that says I know that sanctions are applied to those that step out of line.

2. Reading the above will make your assumptions in No 2 irrelevant.

3. Reading 1 & 2, and seeing that you are completely wrong, again, will mean I don’t have to follow your advice & vote no.
   You seem to be going down your normal, well worn ,path of making up parts of posts you don’t agree with, turning them into things that haven’t been said. Do you realise you do this all the time?
   Nationalist, federalist, imperialist, who cares? It doesn’t make you a good person, just a label that people like you love hanging on people you know nothing about trying to make yourself feel superior. Dinosaurs like yourself bringing up the past ancient history need to be consigned to the dustbin, you’re past your sell by date & your outdated ideas irrelevant.

It’s you who said that Switzerland can ‘bang on about cutting immigration all it likes but the tightening of trade barriers ( against it by the EU ) ‘‘will’’ tend to have them do as they are told’.Which seems to suggest a bit more than you’re not sure what the EU ‘‘will’’ do.While it is equally obvious that you are supportive of the EU’s policy in that regard in ignoring the sovereign rights of nation states to decide their own immigration policy without interference from the EU in the form of trade sanctions etc against them.

usatoday.com/story/news/worl … m/5362385/

So there’s the confirmation of what you ‘say’ you don’t know bearing in mind your previous comments.So the obvious question is do you support the EU’s policy of interfering in the rights of Swiss sovereign government or not.If not then are you then going to change sides to join the out campaign and if not why not.

As for dinosaurs ideology is everything.As shown by the obvious question as to how Hitler was masquerading under the banner of nationalism when he was obviously anything but a nationalist.The EU shaping up to be just another Socialist/Imperialist/Federalist plan for ■■■■■■■■■■ over the sovereign rights of other nation states as we’ve seen throughout history.