Election 2015 exit poll

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BillyHunt:

Carryfast:
Like any other Party it is ‘the Party’ which decides who its leader will be.Farage was chosen as its leader.In the case of ‘the Party’ having not ‘performed’ as well electorally as he’d have liked ‘he’ said that 'he’d go.‘However’ obviously with a voter base of almost 4,000,000 ‘the Party’ decided that Farage’s own definition of perform was maybe pessimistic.Therefore ‘the Party’,not Farage, ( rightly ) decided that ‘it’ wanted Farage to stay.IE Farage kept his word ‘the Party’ decided that ‘it’ could do the most damage to its opposition by keeping Farage where he is.The fact that the biased establishment anti UKIP propaganda machine,has gone into a frenzy over the issue,just confirms that ‘the Party’ has made the right decision.Carswell of course being governed,in that regard,by the Party he represents.

So what your saying is that Lord farage wanted to quit but the “party” said no, therefore forcing him into extending a job he said he would walk away from if the results didn’t go his way, which they didn’t. He also said he would take the summer off then see what the situation was regarding the leadership, I watched it on the news, that lasted three days.
It just proves a couple of things, ukip are a one trick pony with not one other viable leader in their ranks, having to rely on a perennial failure to try & win votes, not a great idea as some people just don’t like him, how could he not beat the conservative candidate in a seat he picked himself, shows a lack of judgement. Lord farage has to be the centre of attention, sees ukip as his only way of keeping himself in the spotlight. It’s no good banging on about 4 million voters, they should have targeted seats better, a big mistake to spread themselves so thin, carried away by Nigel’s bluster.

What I’m saying is that what Farage thought was ( arguably ) a failure ‘by his own standards’ and therefore a reason to go ( rightly ) wasn’t considered a failure by the Party and its supporters’ standards.In which case it is the Party that gets to make that call not Farage.In which case the Party ( rightly ) decided it was anything but a failure thereby ‘removing the reason’ for Farage to go.At which point Farage ( rightly ) decided to change his mind and stay.Obviously much to the fear of the Cameron agenda driven media.

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BillyHunt:

Carryfast:
Like any other Party it is ‘the Party’ which decides who its leader will be.Farage was chosen as its leader.In the case of ‘the Party’ having not ‘performed’ as well electorally as he’d have liked ‘he’ said that 'he’d go.‘However’ obviously with a voter base of almost 4,000,000 ‘the Party’ decided that Farage’s own definition of perform was maybe pessimistic.Therefore ‘the Party’,not Farage, ( rightly ) decided that ‘it’ wanted Farage to stay.IE Farage kept his word ‘the Party’ decided that ‘it’ could do the most damage to its opposition by keeping Farage where he is.The fact that the biased establishment anti UKIP propaganda machine,has gone into a frenzy over the issue,just confirms that ‘the Party’ has made the right decision.Carswell of course being governed,in that regard,by the Party he represents.

So what your saying is that Lord farage wanted to quit but the “party” said no, therefore forcing him into extending a job he said he would walk away from if the results didn’t go his way, which they didn’t. He also said he would take the summer off then see what the situation was regarding the leadership, I watched it on the news, that lasted three days.
It just proves a couple of things, ukip are a one trick pony with not one other viable leader in their ranks, having to rely on a perennial failure to try & win votes, not a great idea as some people just don’t like him, how could he not beat the conservative candidate in a seat he picked himself, shows a lack of judgement. Lord farage has to be the centre of attention, sees ukip as his only way of keeping himself in the spotlight. It’s no good banging on about 4 million voters, they should have targeted seats better, a big mistake to spread themselves so thin, carried away by Nigel’s bluster.

What I’m saying is that what Farage thought was ( arguably ) a failure ‘by his own standards’ and therefore a reason to go ( rightly ) wasn’t considered a failure by the Party and its supporters’ standards.In which case it is the Party that gets to make that call not Farage.In which case the Party ( rightly ) decided it was anything but a failure thereby ‘removing the reason’ for Farage to go.At which point Farage ( rightly ) decided to change his mind and stay.Obviously much to the fear of the Cameron agenda driven media.

Obviously much to the fear of the Cameron agenda driven media

you have that right, the media will try to gun for nigel but amazingly the public are able to see it for what it is these days, for some reason nigel has broken through, the more dirt the media try to throw at him the more it backfires and makes the media and the other partys look bad for trying to do it

which is of course how it should be viewed except the media and the polictical correct lot just have not got used to that way of seeing things, they are even talking about forgetting all about opinion polls in future lol as the public i think enjoy playing games

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Harry Monk:

BillyHunt:
I would agree that Nigel has something no other leader has, 7 attempts at getting into parliament & failing every time.

It’s worth pointing out that in the same ballot UKIP took control of Thanet District Council, meaning many people who voted UKIP in the local election voted Conservative in the nationals, and I’d say that with the opinion polls showing the two main parties neck and neck that it was far more important to many people to keep a Labour/SNP government out than to vote a UKIP member in.

The anti UKIP vote is also obviously happy to ignore the European parliament and its MEP’s like Farage when it suits them.

It seems obvious that there was an establishment driven media misinformation exercise in the lead up to the vote which was playing down the Con vote.Together with the scare tactic of the Lab/SNP threat.However going by the EU election results it seems obvious that Cameron won’t get that luxury in an EU referendum.

Although ironically the SNP threat is more likely to be one of a Cameron/Lab/LibDem/SNP/Green alliance to force the Eurosceptic Cons into going back on the promise of and then abandoning an EU referendum.Or at least trying to either use media Blitz tactics to sway the vote as in 1975.Or,assuming it doesn’t go their way,possibly even ignore it,by calling for a re run a long way down the line until they get the right in vote.I’d guess that Cameron’s Europhile group will have more in common with Lab/Libdem/SNP/Green regarding that argument than Hannan for example.

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desypete:
Obviously much to the fear of the Cameron agenda driven media

you have that right, the media will try to gun for nigel but amazingly the public are able to see it for what it is these days, for some reason nigel has broken through, the more dirt the media try to throw at him the more it backfires

Assuming that Cameron doesn’t use the help of the LabLibdemSNPGreen side to block the referendum then we can expect a lot more media bs in trying every trick in the book to discredit the out campaign.We can only hope in that case that the public can see through it.But make no mistake the power of the agenda in question will way outweigh anything which the out side will have.Right at this minute the pro integrationist/federalist EU side is already suggesting that the EU will try to use the SNP as leverage to get the result it wants.

While for the out side with friends like Hannan Cameron doesn’t need enemies like Farage and you know he’s in the same if not worse zb as Major was when the media already keep on pushing the idea that he isn’t less than a week after the election.

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Funny how nobody has mentioned the Tory plan to make striking for a better deal more difficult then if you do strike the company can bring in agency to cover the job! Tories showing their usual disdain for the working man. Hard to believe so many “wofking man” drivers voted to be downtrodden and treated as a commodity but you make your bed…

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desypete:
dear billy japs eye

if it wasn’t for ukip my friend your party would never have included a referendum on Europe, if they didn’t have that offer included they would of felt the full weight of the public like labour felt it as they didnt think the issue on europe was important enough for them or they didnt trust the public to have a vote, well look what happend to labour they got a defeat, the torys won only because the people knew they would get a referendum on the issue they care about most and thats getting out of europe

its all come about because of ukip and its excelent leader who shows up the policitcal correct lot for what they are, king nigel might be a bit of a toff himself but he certainly talks like one of the lads, he has the same views as many in the country do and he is not scared to say so in public and no matter how much attacking anyone does towards him he just gets bigger and bigger

if they attack him over him staying on as leader or try to make people think they can not trust him as he isnt a man of his word, well the man in the street trust him more than any of the others, they know he did quit but the bosses wouldnt let him go so he didnt go back on his word at all and being honest the whole of the uk would know this man is what politics needs, someone who will kick people up there backsides

listen if he gets under your skin billy he gets my vote for that alone

now we can look forward to the day we get a vote to close the doors.

as for me going to find myself a bride in another country old billy japs eye i changed my mind since nigel has decided he will fight on i guess i will have to follow suit and carry on the fight as well

it happend in life we can say things and then change our minds you know ?

Ok, if Saint Nigel has the full support of the public, how come they didn’t vote him into parliament? He couldn’t even con enough people in a constituency he chose to vote for him. I know that’s nothing new to him, he is a failure when it come to winning elections having lost so many before. Face facts, people just don’t trust him, and never will, with anything remotely serious, that much is obvious with the lack of MPs they have. The man in the street may say the agree with him but they don’t want a loser like him having anything to do with running a country, he’ll say something one day and change his mind the next.
Gets under my skin? I think not. It just amuses me greatly when normally sane people jump on the latest bandwagon and start giving it the big “we are”. It’s like the emperors new clothes all over again, the blind leading the dim so to speak.
I for one am glad you’re staying, you weren’t going anywhere were you, you little tease, just like Saint Nigel. I’m glad you’ll be around to see what happens to your glorious bunch of clowns when the British public return an “in” vote to stay in Europe. You couldn’t do me a favour & film yourself as the results come in could you? Your face as you see all your hopes dashed, again, would be priceless.
As your not going off to purchase a bride does this mean you will be doing a spot of handball? They say you meet a better class of person when you take yourself in hand, but in your case I’m not so sure.

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Carryfast:
What I’m saying is that what Farage thought was ( arguably ) a failure ‘by his own standards’ and therefore a reason to go ( rightly ) wasn’t considered a failure by the Party and its supporters’ standards.In which case it is the Party that gets to make that call not Farage.In which case the Party ( rightly ) decided it was anything but a failure thereby ‘removing the reason’ for Farage to go.At which point Farage ( rightly ) decided to change his mind and stay.Obviously much to the fear of the Cameron agenda driven media.

Really? Care to explain how his failure to gain a seat, in a constituency he chose, can be seen as anything but a failure? He chose the constituency, he failed to win getting beat by the Tory, he said he would go, end of. If the standards of the party & its supporters consider that a success then I fear they won’t be going anywhere fast.

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Munchkin:
Funny how nobody has mentioned the Tory plan to make striking for a better deal more difficult then if you do strike the company can bring in agency to cover the job! Tories showing their usual disdain for the working man. Hard to believe so many “wofking man” drivers voted to be downtrodden and treated as a commodity but you make your bed…

Why’s it worth even mentioning?

1. Employers have always been at liberty to bring in temporary cover (assuming they can find some that will pass a picket).
2. If a proposed strike is about something so inconsequential that more than half can’t even be bothered to vote on the action, just maybe it’s not justified?

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BillyHunt:

Really? Care to explain how his failure to gain a seat, in a constituency he chose, can be seen as anything but a failure? He chose the constituency, he failed to win getting beat by the Tory, he said he would go, end of. If the standards of the party & its supporters consider that a success then I fear they won’t be going anywhere fast.
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It’s no surprise that an obviously committed federalist doesn’t seem to want to recognise the supremacy of the EU parliament when the representatives within it like Hannan and Farage don’t fit the script.

As for the UK parliament as we know he’s got a moral representation in the house of around 80 MP’s and probably a lot more,if the tactical vote,that was naive enough to vote on the basis of the media hung parliament and SNP threat bs,is taken into account.Added to which is probably a large proportion of anti EU Conservative rebels.

Although if Farage is wrong on anything it is the obvious contradiction in an anti federalist stance on the EU but a federalist one in the case of the UK when it seems obvious that Cameron needs the support of the SNP.Let alone the idea of free markets,when even UKIP’s immigration policy already ( rightly ) shows an acknowledgement of just one of the implications of that on the working class.Obviously none of which is adequate reason for him to resign on the basis of any ( non existent ) failure.

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BillyHunt:
I’m glad you’ll be around to see what happens to your glorious bunch of clowns when the British public return an “in” vote to stay in Europe. You couldn’t do me a favour & film yourself as the results come in could you? Your face as you see all your hopes dashed, again, would be priceless.

To be fair look on the bright side.The federalist v anti federalist argument ( rightly ) resulted in at least one well known civil war in which the wrong side won.But you won’t find many of the anti federalist side’s supporters who wouldn’t do it all again if someone like Ron Paul was to call for reinstatement of the Confederacy v Obama.

youtube.com/watch?v=nhQ31b_dbnM

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Unrelated to the main debate, but i noticed this morning that the UK growth forecast has been swiftly toned down from 2.9 percent to 2.5 percent.
Even though these figures are more than likely just pulled out of a hat, it doesn`t seem to have taken many hours after the election for Mark Carney to start reducing the optimism levels of pre-election prosperity visions.
I wonder how much lower, and how soon, it will further erode. Business as usual - lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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Unrelated to the main debate, but i noticed this morning that the UK growth forecast has been swiftly toned down from 2.9 percent to 2.5 percent.
Even though these figures are more than likely just pulled out of a hat, it doesn`t seem to have taken many hours after the election for Mark Carney to start reducing the optimism levels of pre-election prosperity visions.
I wonder how much lower, and how soon, it will further erode. Business as usual - lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Look on the bright side the more the media keep using lies to push the establishment agenda ( eventually ) the less those lies are believed.The argument in this case being the two simple figures of our trade deficit with the EU and the global free market economy and the amount of cash which is being wasted every hour in the form of our net contributions in whatever form to the EU.Those figures don’t lie and until/unless we turn those trade deficits into surplus or at least balance and we leave the EU scam there’s no way that the economy can do any thing other than go down the tubes and any figures which say otherwise are just made up bs.Also bearing in mind that trying to export our way out those trade deficits,in an environment in which our competitors have more than enough capacity of their own and countries in the far east etc which pay their downtrodden workers peanuts,isn’t an option.

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I blame Gladstone

[billyhunt]

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Unrelated to the main debate, but i noticed this morning that the UK growth forecast has been swiftly toned down from 2.9 percent to 2.5 percent.
Even though these figures are more than likely just pulled out of a hat, it doesn`t seem to have taken many hours after the election for Mark Carney to start reducing the optimism levels of pre-election prosperity visions.
I wonder how much lower, and how soon, it will further erode. Business as usual - lies, damned lies, and statistics.

I’m not sure but I think that’s why it’s called a forecast & not the gospel. Nobody knows for certain what will happen, too many variables, so they use their experience. Have you given any thought to the idea that they reduce it on purpose, then when it hits 2.9 they say we are doing better than expected.

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Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
I’m glad you’ll be around to see what happens to your glorious bunch of clowns when the British public return an “in” vote to stay in Europe. You couldn’t do me a favour & film yourself as the results come in could you? Your face as you see all your hopes dashed, again, would be priceless.

To be fair look on the bright side.The federalist v anti federalist argument ( rightly ) resulted in at least one well known civil war in which the wrong side won.But you won’t find many of the anti federalist side’s supporters who wouldn’t do it all again if someone like Ron Paul was to call for reinstatement of the Confederacy v Obama.

youtube.com/watch?v=nhQ31b_dbnM

What! The wrong side won! Again! I’m sensing a theme here.

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BillyHunt:

Carryfast:
To be fair look on the bright side.The federalist v anti federalist argument ( rightly ) resulted in at least one well known civil war in which the wrong side won.But you won’t find many of the anti federalist side’s supporters who wouldn’t do it all again if someone like Ron Paul was to call for reinstatement of the Confederacy v Obama.

youtube.com/watch?v=nhQ31b_dbnM

What! The wrong side won! Again! I’m sensing a theme here.

On the basis that the original articles of Confederation,gave the seperate States ‘independent’ ‘supreme’ ‘sovereign’ status,within a ‘voluntary’ union,that they could also secede from whenever they chose,absolutely the wrong side won.

The relevant bit being that losing an election,especially one based on the type of electoral system applying in this case.Or,assuming the argument ever turns violent,a war of defence against federalist aggression,doesn’t make the federalist cause right and is no reason to give up either the democratic,or if needed, military,fight against it.

On that note I suggest you read the comments below the video.As they rightly say the war of Federalist Northern Aggression never ended and some day the Confederacy will rise again.

In this case people should be thanking Farage and his followers for trying to stop the same thing ever happening in Europe before it ever has a chance to start.

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BillyHunt:

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Unrelated to the main debate, but i noticed this morning that the UK growth forecast has been swiftly toned down from 2.9 percent to 2.5 percent.
Even though these figures are more than likely just pulled out of a hat, it doesn`t seem to have taken many hours after the election for Mark Carney to start reducing the optimism levels of pre-election prosperity visions.
I wonder how much lower, and how soon, it will further erode. Business as usual - lies, damned lies, and statistics.

I’m not sure but I think that’s why it’s called a forecast & not the gospel. Nobody knows for certain what will happen, too many variables, so they use their experience. Have you given any thought to the idea that they reduce it on purpose, then IF it hits 2.9 they say we are doing better than expected.

So, if im interpreting this correctly, they use their "experience" to take a blind (yet strangely authoritative and expert) guess on future outcomes. I think i may just be capable of that myself. They have drawn on this same, highly-salaried experience to further guess that 2016 will (maybe, possibly) see that growth projection drop further still (or not). Many high profile financial institutions have used this method to great effect whilst simultaneously dive-bombing into ruinous obscurity, so to set any precedents/rates on this shaky basis is a questionable strategy at best. No hint of collusion with government think-tanks/advisory panels, mind - thatd just be cynical and paranoid.

Not picking an argument with you mate (honest!) - just airing my ill-informed views!

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BillyHunt:
I’m not sure but I think that’s why it’s called a forecast & not the gospel. Nobody knows for certain what will happen, too many variables, so they use their experience. Have you given any thought to the idea that they reduce it on purpose, then when it hits 2.9 they say we are doing better than expected.

Not gospel and could mean anything depending on point of view isn’t exactly how the economy was being portrayed in the pre election pro Conservative media exposure.Although from my point of view I’m at least now hoping for some good old fashioned Conservative interest rate rises when the ‘real’ inflation figures are released.Bearing in mind the value of a pound in the real world.IE not enough to buy a Sunday Newspaper.

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Carryfast:

BillyHunt:

Carryfast:
To be fair look on the bright side.The federalist v anti federalist argument ( rightly ) resulted in at least one well known civil war in which the wrong side won.But you won’t find many of the anti federalist side’s supporters who wouldn’t do it all again if someone like Ron Paul was to call for reinstatement of the Confederacy v Obama.

youtube.com/watch?v=nhQ31b_dbnM

What! The wrong side won! Again! I’m sensing a theme here.

On the basis that the original articles of Confederation,gave the seperate States ‘independent’ ‘supreme’ ‘sovereign’ status,within a ‘voluntary’ union,that they could also secede from whenever they chose,absolutely the wrong side won.

The relevant bit being that losing an election,especially one based on the type of electoral system applying in this case.Or,assuming the argument ever turns violent,a war of defence against federalist aggression,doesn’t make the federalist cause right and is no reason to give up either the democratic,or if needed, military,fight against it.

On that note I suggest you read the comments below the video.As they rightly say the war of Federalist Northern Aggression never ended and some day the Confederacy will rise again.

In this case people should be thanking Farage and his followers for trying to stop the same thing ever happening in Europe before it ever has a chance to start.

How good is that Saint farage? Fresh from gracing the kippers with yet more of his presence he’s now only gone & stopped civil war in Europe! I must have misjudged him, unlike all those horrible people that didn’t vote for him. What a guy!

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BillyHunt:

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Unrelated to the main debate, but i noticed this morning that the UK growth forecast has been swiftly toned down from 2.9 percent to 2.5 percent.
Even though these figures are more than likely just pulled out of a hat, it doesn`t seem to have taken many hours after the election for Mark Carney to start reducing the optimism levels of pre-election prosperity visions.
I wonder how much lower, and how soon, it will further erode. Business as usual - lies, damned lies, and statistics.

I’m not sure but I think that’s why it’s called a forecast & not the gospel. Nobody knows for certain what will happen, too many variables, so they use their experience. Have you given any thought to the idea that they reduce it on purpose, then IF it hits 2.9 they say we are doing better than expected.

So, if im interpreting this correctly, they use their "experience" to take a blind (yet strangely authoritative and expert) guess on future outcomes. I think i may just be capable of that myself. They have drawn on this same, highly-salaried experience to further guess that 2016 will (maybe, possibly) see that growth projection drop further still (or not). Many high profile financial institutions have used this method to great effect whilst simultaneously dive-bombing into ruinous obscurity, so to set any precedents/rates on this shaky basis is a questionable strategy at best. No hint of collusion with government think-tanks/advisory panels, mind - thatd just be cynical and paranoid.

Not picking an argument with you mate (honest!) - just airing my ill-informed views!

The thing is you could make a forecast yourself, but being a driver nobody would take any notice of you the truth is, as I said, that nobody knows what’s going to happen next week let alone next year.