seems one of the Latvian giants (Kreiss) has been banned due to paying poverty wages, at least temporarily anyway… Girteka next?
Why doesn’t the UK do something similar?
maga:
seems one of the Latvian giants (Kreiss) has been banned due to paying poverty wages, at least temporarily anyway… Girteka next?Why doesn’t the UK do something similar?
Those experienced HGV drivers have less to do now? Under-employed?
Are there any countries we know of looking at a lorry driver shortage who could offer them work?
Franglais:
maga:
seems one of the Latvian giants (Kreiss) has been banned due to paying poverty wages, at least temporarily anyway… Girteka next?Why doesn’t the UK do something similar?
Those experienced HGV drivers have less to do now? Under-employed?
Are there any countries we know of looking at a lorry driver shortage who could offer them work?
Mind you, I get a feeling that the indigenous transporteurs have cut the rates so much, even the East Euros cant make it pay anymore… even Waberer seems to be less involved over here…
Franglais:
maga:
seems one of the Latvian giants (Kreiss) has been banned due to paying poverty wages, at least temporarily anyway… Girteka next?Why doesn’t the UK do something similar?
Those experienced HGV drivers have less to do now? Under-employed?
Are there any countries we know of looking at a lorry driver shortage who could offer them work?
Germany apparently.
Minimum wage in Norway is 17.81 euro an hour.
Yet there paid 2.43 euro.
Unbelievable. All.the directors managers should be jailed have there mansions sports cars confiscated.
Is modern.day slavery.
But how.on earth did they mange to recruit drivers on 2.43 and hour. Drivers must been really desperate.
Have some sympathy for the drivers. But why on earth accept a job paying next to nothing.
Franglais:
maga:
seems one of the Latvian giants (Kreiss) has been banned due to paying poverty wages, at least temporarily anyway… Girteka next?Why doesn’t the UK do something similar?
Those experienced HGV drivers have less to do now? Under-employed?
Are there any countries we know of looking at a lorry driver shortage who could offer them work?
you could be right, we all know there is no real shortage just a shortage of good jobs.
the nodding donkey:
Franglais:
maga:
seems one of the Latvian giants (Kreiss) has been banned due to paying poverty wages, at least temporarily anyway… Girteka next?Why doesn’t the UK do something similar?
Those experienced HGV drivers have less to do now? Under-employed?
Are there any countries we know of looking at a lorry driver shortage who could offer them work?
Mind you, I get a feeling that the indigenous transporteurs have cut the rates so much, even the East Euros cant make it pay anymore… even Waberer seems to be less involved over here…
not surprising seeing as waberers are reducing their fleet due to huge losses in 2019.
lloydsloadinglist.com/freig … ws/Waberer’s-reports-net-loss-and-revenue-decline-as-restructuring-continues/75488.htm
edd1974:
Minimum wage in Norway is 17.81 euro an hour.
Yet there paid 2.43 euro.
Unbelievable. All.the directors managers should be jailed have there mansions sports cars confiscated.
Is modern.day slavery.But how.on earth did they mange to recruit drivers on 2.43 and hour. Drivers must been really desperate.
Have some sympathy for the drivers. But why on earth accept a job paying next to nothing.
Maybe €2.43ph is a good wage in Lithuania where Girteka is based is apparently the minimum wage is €550pm, although that’s still 50+ hours a week, my understanding is the way a lot of these drivers are paid includes a lot of other payments, but these aren’t included in the hourly pay figures.
But isn’t this why the whole thing is so crap, basically workers employed by East European companies being used by wealthy Western Europe and Multi nationals to move goods round at rock bottom rates, far less than a local company can compete with if they to pay even the their own countries minimum wage, all in the name of free movement of goods and labour, something which our own successive governments were more than happy to sign up to, although never seemed as keen to sign up to workers rights.
After many years of complaints by unions and other organisations, even industrial in actions which was ruled illegal by the ECJ, the EU finally responded, but only after Germany and France forced the issue by bringing in their own legislation in about 2014-2015.
muckles:
edd1974:
Minimum wage in Norway is 17.81 euro an hour.
Yet there paid 2.43 euro.
Unbelievable. All.the directors managers should be jailed have there mansions sports cars confiscated.
Is modern.day slavery.But how.on earth did they mange to recruit drivers on 2.43 and hour. Drivers must been really desperate.
Have some sympathy for the drivers. But why on earth accept a job paying next to nothing.Maybe €2.43ph is a good wage in Lithuania where Girteka is based is apparently the minimum wage is €550pm, although that’s still 50+ hours a week, my understanding is the way a lot of these drivers are paid includes a lot of other payments, but these aren’t included in the hourly pay figures.
But isn’t this why the whole thing is so crap, basically workers employed by East European companies being used by wealthy Western Europe and Multi nationals to move goods round at rock bottom rates, far less than a local company can compete with if they to pay even the their own countries minimum wage, all in the name of free movement of goods and labour, something which our own successive governments were more than happy to sign up to, although never seemed as keen to sign up to workers rights.
After many years of complaints by unions and other organisations, even industrial in actions which was ruled illegal by the ECJ, the EU finally responded, but only after Germany and France forced the issue by bringing in their own legislation in about 2014-2015.
I’m sure you’re correct that some companies “arrange” hefty tax free allowances so their employees, get money without central government getting funds, so reducing the company’s overall bill.
I’m on a coffee break, but will try to look for where that came from later.
And worth looking at the way Germany work’s committees…work…quite well it seems. But since we want to avoid Gov intervention we are free to undercut in the name of freedom.
muckles:
being used by wealthy Western Europe and Multi nationals
You only have to watch The Apprentince to see businesses’ hero Alan Sugar’s ideas of how much profit should be made out of a transaction.
Franglais:
muckles:
edd1974:
Minimum wage in Norway is 17.81 euro an hour.
Yet there paid 2.43 euro.
Unbelievable. All.the directors managers should be jailed have there mansions sports cars confiscated.
Is modern.day slavery.But how.on earth did they mange to recruit drivers on 2.43 and hour. Drivers must been really desperate.
Have some sympathy for the drivers. But why on earth accept a job paying next to nothing.Maybe €2.43ph is a good wage in Lithuania where Girteka is based is apparently the minimum wage is €550pm, although that’s still 50+ hours a week, my understanding is the way a lot of these drivers are paid includes a lot of other payments, but these aren’t included in the hourly pay figures.
But isn’t this why the whole thing is so crap, basically workers employed by East European companies being used by wealthy Western Europe and Multi nationals to move goods round at rock bottom rates, far less than a local company can compete with if they to pay even the their own countries minimum wage, all in the name of free movement of goods and labour, something which our own successive governments were more than happy to sign up to, although never seemed as keen to sign up to workers rights.
After many years of complaints by unions and other organisations, even industrial in actions which was ruled illegal by the ECJ, the EU finally responded, but only after Germany and France forced the issue by bringing in their own legislation in about 2014-2015.
I’m sure you’re correct that some companies “arrange” hefty tax free allowances so their employees, get money without central government getting funds, so reducing the company’s overall bill.
I’m on a coffee break, but will try to look for where that came from later.
And worth looking at the way Germany work’s committees…work…quite well it seems. But since we want to avoid Gov intervention we are free to undercut in the name of freedom.
facebook.com/FNVonline/vide … 059913814/
And although I have seen it before this was posted by Osark on another thread.
muckles:
edd1974:
Minimum wage in Norway is 17.81 euro an hour.
Yet there paid 2.43 euro.
Unbelievable. All.the directors managers should be jailed have there mansions sports cars confiscated.
Is modern.day slavery.But how.on earth did they mange to recruit drivers on 2.43 and hour. Drivers must been really desperate.
Have some sympathy for the drivers. But why on earth accept a job paying next to nothing.Maybe €2.43ph is a good wage in Lithuania where Girteka is based is apparently the minimum wage is €550pm, although that’s still 50+ hours a week, my understanding is the way a lot of these drivers are paid includes a lot of other payments, but these aren’t included in the hourly pay figures.
But isn’t this why the whole thing is so crap, basically workers employed by East European companies being used by wealthy Western Europe and Multi nationals to move goods round at rock bottom rates, far less than a local company can compete with if they to pay even the their own countries minimum wage, all in the name of free movement of goods and labour, something which our own successive governments were more than happy to sign up to, although never seemed as keen to sign up to workers rights.
After many years of complaints by unions and other organisations, even industrial in actions which was ruled illegal by the ECJ, the EU finally responded, but only after Germany and France forced the issue by bringing in their own legislation in about 2014-2015.
Kreiss drivers taked home 580 eiro per week or about 2500 euro per month.Simply wages about 430 and 2000 night out money.Uk drivers as well avoid paid tax.When i was in Uk that my personal money was just about 600 quid but all another company profit,divident.But in total about 2500 per month.
We’re repeatedly told that the influx of foreigners working for a pittance doesn’t negatively impact on the job prospects of the natives. Socialist think tanks have said it’s true so it must be.
I mean think about it, how can unscrupulous millionaires exploiting slave labour workers from Eastern Europe possibly have any effect on our job market.
Why stop at lorry driving, ship em over on coaches full of beds and let them work in factories for 3 euros an hour, that would really help our economy.
Andrejs:
muckles:
edd1974:
Minimum wage in Norway is 17.81 euro an hour.
Yet there paid 2.43 euro.
.After many years of complaints by unions and other organisations, even industrial in actions which was ruled illegal by the ECJ, the EU finally responded, but only after Germany and France forced the issue by bringing in their own legislation in about 2014-2015.
Kreiss drivers taked home 580 eiro per week or about 2500 euro per month.Simply wages about 430 and 2000 night out money.Uk drivers as well avoid paid tax.When i was in Uk that my personal money was just about 600 quid but all another company profit,divident.But in total about 2500 per month.
This post will be ignored as 2.4 euros is better to prove the argument.
A couple of facts:
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Kreiss pays around 2000-2200 euros per month in Europe, Scandinavia is paid more due to harsh winter conditions and the fact drivers don’t like to work there.
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Low hourly wage is set because of the astronomical Employer National Insurance contributions and the rest is paid as night out money as previously mentioned.
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Kreiss is not the most ethical company however it is very successful if we consider the cards they were dealt with to start with in 1994. To grow a company out of nothing in a country with virtually no financing institutions and complete lack of knowledge as to how a market economy is run is remarkable and frankly speaking I don’t think any Germen, French or British businessman would be able to do it. So in that respect kudos to the owners.
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The problem is much wider than Kreiss, Girteka, Finejas or Batim or Waberers. The fundamental problem lies in consumers. Everyone wants everything cheap, but at the same time everyone wants to have a high salary. Guess what, it doesn’t work like that. Something, somewhere has to give and transport industry (because its an overhead and 90% of time outsourced) is the giver.
Riho:
Andrejs:
muckles:
edd1974:
Minimum wage in Norway is 17.81 euro an hour.
Yet there paid 2.43 euro.
.After many years of complaints by unions and other organisations, even industrial in actions which was ruled illegal by the ECJ, the EU finally responded, but only after Germany and France forced the issue by bringing in their own legislation in about 2014-2015.
Kreiss drivers taked home 580 eiro per week or about 2500 euro per month.Simply wages about 430 and 2000 night out money.Uk drivers as well avoid paid tax.When i was in Uk that my personal money was just about 600 quid but all another company profit,divident.But in total about 2500 per month.
This post will be ignored as 2.4 euros is better to prove the argument.
A couple of facts:
Kreiss pays around 2000-2200 euros per month in Europe, Scandinavia is paid more due to harsh winter conditions and the fact drivers don’t like to work there.
Low hourly wage is set because of the astronomical Employer National Insurance contributions and the rest is paid as night out money as previously mentioned.
Kreiss is not the most ethical company however it is very successful if we consider the cards they were dealt with to start with in 1994. To grow a company out of nothing in a country with virtually no financing institutions and complete lack of knowledge as to how a market economy is run is remarkable and frankly speaking I don’t think any Germen, French or British businessman would be able to do it. So in that respect kudos to the owners.
The problem is much wider than Kreiss, Girteka, Finejas or Batim or Waberers. The fundamental problem lies in consumers. Everyone wants everything cheap, but at the same time everyone wants to have a high salary. Guess what, it doesn’t work like that. Something, somewhere has to give and transport industry (because its an overhead and 90% of time outsourced) is the giver.
If you delved deep enough into the Latvian hauliers finance you’ll probably find that a decent amount of the finance comes from dirty Russian money haulage is an easy way to clean money, HSBC have been involved in money laundering in the Baltic states, caught last year in Estonia. Most unlike HSBC to be caught up in dodgy deals received record fines in the USA for allowing Mexican drug cartels to deposit suitcases full of cash in their banks in the US.
Don`t Kreiss do a lot for NFT by way of cabotage ?..you see loads of them parked up around Crick empty awaiting their next “job” 
This will be interesting if NFT end up in the Culina group 
Mazzer2:
If you delved deep enough into the Latvian hauliers finance you’ll probably find that a decent amount of the finance comes from dirty Russian money haulage is an easy way to clean money, HSBC have been involved in money laundering in the Baltic states, caught last year in Estonia. Most unlike HSBC to be caught up in dodgy deals received record fines in the USA for allowing Mexican drug cartels to deposit suitcases full of cash in their banks in the US.
Girteka has had some money coming from Russian companies. I don’t know the sources of it and to assume that all money that comes from Russia is dirty is a very basic approach.
Laundering money through transport companies in Latvia is a very difficult scheme to do as the they are well known about by the local HMRC and will be caught out in a couple of months. After that the directors will be arrested and face prison time. For Kreiss or any of the big players that is too high of a cost to have.
In addition where Kreiss makes a lot of money is in the after sales of their lorries and trailers. Considering the amount they buy they go directly to Volvo or Schmitz and get them with significant discounts, then use them for a couple of years and sell them on loosing very little.
As I said previously the company is not ethical, but they are very good at what they do in terms of management and efficiency for a company of that size.
In response to the NFT comment as far as I know they have the Danone contract to bring stuff in from France. Don’t know about cabotage, but unlikely they do it do to the possible fines involved.
on the side not
An easier way to launder money is to transfer it to Latvian bank (majority of whom are own by the Scandinavians, with Scandinavian board members) and then buy a property in London. For some reason no-one really brings this up as these are already considered financial services that are good for the laundromat of London. So I would suggest before accusing anyone of money laundering get your own house in order.
Riho:
Mazzer2:
If you delved deep enough into the Latvian hauliers finance you’ll probably find that a decent amount of the finance comes from dirty Russian money haulage is an easy way to clean money, HSBC have been involved in money laundering in the Baltic states, caught last year in Estonia. Most unlike HSBC to be caught up in dodgy deals received record fines in the USA for allowing Mexican drug cartels to deposit suitcases full of cash in their banks in the US.Girteka has had some money coming from Russian companies. I don’t know the sources of it and to assume that all money that comes from Russia is dirty is a very basic approach.
Laundering money through transport companies in Latvia is a very difficult scheme to do as the they are well known about by the local HMRC and will be caught out in a couple of months. After that the directors will be arrested and face prison time. For Kreiss or any of the big players that is too high of a cost to have.
In addition where Kreiss makes a lot of money is in the after sales of their lorries and trailers. Considering the amount they buy they go directly to Volvo or Schmitz and get them with significant discounts, then use them for a couple of years and sell them on loosing very little.
As I said previously the company is not ethical, but they are very good at what they do in terms of management and efficiency for a company of that size.
In response to the NFT comment as far as I know they have the Danone contract to bring stuff in from France. Don’t know about cabotage, but unlikely they do it do to the possible fines involved.
on the side not
An easier way to launder money is to transfer it to Latvian bank (majority of whom are own by the Scandinavians, with Scandinavian board members) and then buy a property in London. For some reason no-one really brings this up as these are already considered financial services that are good for the laundromat of London. So I would suggest before accusing anyone of money laundering get your own house in order.
That is the huge white elephant in the room. The British economy is dependent on the financial and services industry (thank you Thatcher, son of Thatcher and that big fat Scottish saviour of the global economy… 
). That is the reason why the Tories desperately tried to keep financial and services out of brexit negotiations. If London looses its financial and services base, this island is truly ■■■■■■.
Forget about a few factories closing/moving to Euroland, that’s small fry, and will only affect a bit of the local economy. If Londo loses ‘the City’, this Island is finished.
Riho:
Mazzer2:
If you delved deep enough into the Latvian hauliers finance you’ll probably find that a decent amount of the finance comes from dirty Russian money haulage is an easy way to clean money, HSBC have been involved in money laundering in the Baltic states, caught last year in Estonia. Most unlike HSBC to be caught up in dodgy deals received record fines in the USA for allowing Mexican drug cartels to deposit suitcases full of cash in their banks in the US.Girteka has had some money coming from Russian companies. I don’t know the sources of it and to assume that all money that comes from Russia is dirty is a very basic approach.
Laundering money through transport companies in Latvia is a very difficult scheme to do as the they are well known about by the local HMRC and will be caught out in a couple of months. After that the directors will be arrested and face prison time. For Kreiss or any of the big players that is too high of a cost to have.
In addition where Kreiss makes a lot of money is in the after sales of their lorries and trailers. Considering the amount they buy they go directly to Volvo or Schmitz and get them with significant discounts, then use them for a couple of years and sell them on loosing very little.
As I said previously the company is not ethical, but they are very good at what they do in terms of management and efficiency for a company of that size.
In response to the NFT comment as far as I know they have the Danone contract to bring stuff in from France. Don’t know about cabotage, but unlikely they do it do to the possible fines involved.
on the side not
An easier way to launder money is to transfer it to Latvian bank (majority of whom are own by the Scandinavians, with Scandinavian board members) and then buy a property in London. For some reason no-one really brings this up as these are already considered financial services that are good for the laundromat of London. So I would suggest before accusing anyone of money laundering get your own house in order.
youtube.com/watch?v=EtvXl8ZuPU4
Which gathers several sources together.
Riho:
Mazzer2:
If you delved deep enough into the Latvian hauliers finance you’ll probably find that a decent amount of the finance comes from dirty Russian money haulage is an easy way to clean money, HSBC have been involved in money laundering in the Baltic states, caught last year in Estonia. Most unlike HSBC to be caught up in dodgy deals received record fines in the USA for allowing Mexican drug cartels to deposit suitcases full of cash in their banks in the US.Girteka has had some money coming from Russian companies. I don’t know the sources of it and to assume that all money that comes from Russia is dirty is a very basic approach.
Laundering money through transport companies in Latvia is a very difficult scheme to do as the they are well known about by the local HMRC and will be caught out in a couple of months. After that the directors will be arrested and face prison time. For Kreiss or any of the big players that is too high of a cost to have.
In addition where Kreiss makes a lot of money is in the after sales of their lorries and trailers. Considering the amount they buy they go directly to Volvo or Schmitz and get them with significant discounts, then use them for a couple of years and sell them on loosing very little.
As I said previously the company is not ethical, but they are very good at what they do in terms of management and efficiency for a company of that size.
In response to the NFT comment as far as I know they have the Danone contract to bring stuff in from France. Don’t know about cabotage, but unlikely they do it do to the possible fines involved.
on the side not
An easier way to launder money is to transfer it to Latvian bank (majority of whom are own by the Scandinavians, with Scandinavian board members) and then buy a property in London. For some reason no-one really brings this up as these are already considered financial services that are good for the laundromat of London. So I would suggest before accusing anyone of money laundering get your own house in order.
Didn’t say that there wasn’t a problem in the UK and where ever money is being laundered then it should be stopped one bank in Estonia was caught and I doubt that they are the only one at it.
Regards the cabotage work for NFT they have taken the rate to a level that no UK firm can compete with and the same with the Danone contract, we used to load out of Ferriers-en- Bray as a back load when delivering beef to that area. The rate now will get a western haulage firm to Newhaven and then the money runs out so you will drive to Hatfield for free then take into account there are not enough export loads to take you back to Danone so they are running out empty meanwhile forcing other hauliers to travel further for a backload.
Andrejs:
muckles:
edd1974:
Minimum wage in Norway is 17.81 euro an hour.
Yet there paid 2.43 euro.
Unbelievable. All.the directors managers should be jailed have there mansions sports cars confiscated.
Is modern.day slavery.But how.on earth did they mange to recruit drivers on 2.43 and hour. Drivers must been really desperate.
Have some sympathy for the drivers. But why on earth accept a job paying next to nothing.Maybe €2.43ph is a good wage in Lithuania where Girteka is based is apparently the minimum wage is €550pm, although that’s still 50+ hours a week, my understanding is the way a lot of these drivers are paid includes a lot of other payments, but these aren’t included in the hourly pay figures.
But isn’t this why the whole thing is so crap, basically workers employed by East European companies being used by wealthy Western Europe and Multi nationals to move goods round at rock bottom rates, far less than a local company can compete with if they to pay even the their own countries minimum wage, all in the name of free movement of goods and labour, something which our own successive governments were more than happy to sign up to, although never seemed as keen to sign up to workers rights.
After many years of complaints by unions and other organisations, even industrial in actions which was ruled illegal by the ECJ, the EU finally responded, but only after Germany and France forced the issue by bringing in their own legislation in about 2014-2015.
Kreiss drivers taked home 580 eiro per week or about 2500 euro per month.Simply wages about 430 and 2000 night out money.Uk drivers as well avoid paid tax.When i was in Uk that my personal money was just about 600 quid but all another company profit,divident.But in total about 2500 per month.
You cannot compare what a UK based tramper takes home with an EE tramper a UK based driver will spend a lot less time at work than the EE driver so you are dividing the wage by a higher number of working days.
A UK based tramper will generally be out for 5 days and return home at the weekend most EE trampers I have spoken to do roughly 6 weeks at a time with there being roughly 22 week days in a 30 day month the UK tramper is working a lot less and also getting time out of the lorry ask anyone who has done long stints in the lorry after a while it does affect you, whereas the EE is at work everyday, however his wage is made up 2500 euro divided by 30 is a poor rate per day roughly 80 euro per day (£70 a day at current exchange rates) then divide that by roughly 12 hours and you are nowhere near the minimum wage of the countries that you are working in