berewic:
Mike-C:
Yeah, so get yourself over to the ex pats forum and tell them all they’re all going to have to come back home !!Now why would our ex-pats have to come home?
Well hows it gonna work then, you gonna tell other countries they can have all their natives back and they can keep some of ours too? Hang on, i should never have posted this i’m just off to ■■■■ the wall instead!!
berewic:
If we are going to get our own people back to work, ALL immigrants need to be deported asap.
Off course. Because if you deport ALL immigrants, suddenly all of these people who woke up only to watch Jeremy Kyle and go to the shops for next bottle of Frosty Jack will instantly change and become qualified, hard working candidates for all these jobs…
(not to mention that if you deport ALL immigrants, breaking all the international (and your own) laws, you won’t have much work left after all the countries you cooperate with turn their backs on you 
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first-TAX credit can RECEIVED ANY PERSON ,ALL depend from income.but another benefit if people work can t received.can you said what benefit can receiver if you work ang get 200+ a week.
p.s.in last 7 years i receives 0.00 pound from any benefit.and 100 pecent of bill and… was paid ontime
Lorn trakta:
Well hows it gonna work then, you gonna tell other countries they can have all their natives back and they can keep some of ours too? Hang on, i should never have posted this i’m just off to ■■■■ the wall instead!!
just how many of britains expats turn and ‘‘invade without skill or trade’’, or proven finances, or qualify for benifits, just name the countries where brits can do this please?
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Lorn trakta:
Off course. Because if you deport ALL immigrants, suddenly all of these people who woke up only to watch Jeremy Kyle and go to the shops for next bottle of Frosty Jack will instantly change and become qualified, hard working candidates for all these jobs…
I was’nt aware you needed major qualifications to be a foreign worker speaking little to no english stacking heavy parcels onto easy to crush parcels, must be different in Scotland, home of the great floodgate opener
You don’t need major qualifications. But I will tell you a story.
When I came to Scotland, I was driving a sprinter vans for agency. I had a job, going almost to Aberdeen with a drivers mate. The job was very easy, so easy that he unloaded the van himself - it was literary just few boxes.
I asked him, why he don’t drive. He said “I dont’ have driving license”. I asked “why wont you do driving license”. He said “whats the point, I am living next to the factory”. I asked “but you want to lift that furniture for the rest of your life?” He just shrugged his shoulders…
Meanwhile, Polish workers even if came here unskilled, go and learn a lot. Waiting lists for English classes in Glasgow colleges used to be more than one year of waiting (I I don’t know how it looks).
Just to give you some example, I just checked a biggest Polish community forum in the UK.
The “Work” part of it has over 50 000 entries (with two newest being “where to make forklift license quick in Aberdeen” and something about doing CSCS card for buliders).
The “Study and learning” group has over 22 000 entries.
I had to dig to find something on benefits, finally I found one group that discuss that questions, it has 3222 entries over 5 years of existence of that forum…
I guess the benefits are, contrary to popular belief, not the biggest issue concerning Polish community here…
So this is how it works. Unskilled Poles come here and clean the toilets, because nobody else “would rise their bums to do that job for these money” if he can claim benefits that will make them better of without leaving the couch. Im meanwhile, Poles (contrary to popular belief) cannot claim benefit, so they have no other choice as to work. But since they are not happy in stupid job, they want to climb up the workmarket ladder. Therefore they learn the language, they learn some trades, make some qualifications, some even go to the uni etc…
When I first came to Glasgow in 2005, I had a pleasure of living in Dennistoun, next to the family of three generation, when the last person working was Grandfather and it was about 20 years earlier… They were laughing at me every time I was coming back from work…
Today I live in quite posh neighbourhood by myself in a nice studio flat, drive brand new car, work part time in the job that pays so well, that I can study full time at the same time and I just came back from six weeks unpaid holidays during which I was (allegedly 
) learning foreingn language…
I bet these people still leave, all 7 of them in this 3 bedroom flat as they used to, or somewhere in similar conditions.
So please tell me: who is responsible for their situation? Me? Because I came and “stole” their job? They weren’t interested in working, if they were, they would find a job easily during these 20 years on benefits… They weren’t working BEFORE all Poles came here, they arent working now, and I can bet they would not work even if you kick our all Poles, Pakistanis and other immigrant nations…
I usualy refrain from critique of the British society and politics, as I recon myself as a guest and I try to limit myself just to straightening up the popular myths abotu eastern europe here… But since some British member of this forum told this already, I think it will be no harm, if I add my penny to it:
Your main problem is benefit system. Benefit system in this country is screwed up, because it encourages people to do not work. And not only by that for some people it pays better to claim benefit than to work for minimum wage, but I mean literarly: when I had my accident, I was injured and barely able to walk, so obviously unfit for work. They told me in social services, that I am not entitled to any benefits (despite paying my NIN and taxes for 23 months) but they advised me that if my partner will quit her part time job, she will be able to claim benefits as for the couple, and we will have the same money she is earning without need of her to work…
Some say we were stupid, but she stayed at this job, I went in debt, started off with some light work and after two years came back on track… So it is possible to do not rely on the state…
Next issue: If you really want to work, you will find a job. Browse this forum (you are a new member it seems) and look: if someone cant find job, it is usually (there are off course some exceptions, but the general rule seems to work like that) someone who just moans about everything. You read him and you think “I would never give a job to this muppet”. But if someone is a decent guy that you read him and think “I would give this guy a job if I was an employer” - in a short time he follows with new thread about his new job…
Another thing, that example of yours with minimum wage work: how on Earth it is possible that unskilled labour who cannot speak local language is given priority over local labour, whos native language is English? For sure, if I was employer, I would employ people who do speak the lingo… So I guess the foreign labour have to offer some other advantages - for example they are better workers… They are for sure not cheaper, because cleaning work always pays the low of the lowest, usually at minimum legal rate…
So I see two options: either they are better, or simply local people are not interested in this kind of jobs.
just how many of britains expats turn and ‘‘invade without skill or trade’’, or proven finances, or qualify for benifits, just name the countries where brits can do this please?
You can do it in any EU country, just as Poles can do. And you won’t qualify for benefits in any country from day one, just as Poles don’t.
orys:
how on Earth it is possible that unskilled labour who cannot speak local language is given priority over local labour, whos native language is English? For sure, if I was employer, I would employ people who do speak the lingo… So I guess the foreign labour have to offer some other advantages - for example they are better workers… They are for sure not cheaper, because cleaning work always pays the low of the lowest, usually at minimum legal rate…
Because eastern Europeans work for less than an English person would need to earn just to pay rent/mortgage etc on a typical home.
And your argument that they are not cheaper is a non-sequitur, because if the country hadn’t been flooded with eastern Europeans, cleaning jobs wouldn’t be paying £6 an hour.
There you go, your long-winded thesis demolished in two sentences. 
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Harry Monk:
Because eastern Europeans work for less than an English person would need to earn just to pay rent/mortgage etc on a typical home.
Yeah, beacuse Eastern Europeans in UK have special mortage rates, they also pay less if they rent a flat on a free market 
And your argument that they are not cheaper is a non-sequitur, because if the country hadn’t been flooded with eastern Europeans, cleaning jobs wouldn’t be paying £6 an hour.
Cleaning jobs were always the lowest paying jobs, they were paid at minimum rate in Germany well before Germany opened for Eastern European workers.
There you go, your long-winded thesis demolished in two sentences.
You have to try harder with my thesis, its only your crap that can be demolished in two sentences
OK then Orys, you remember what life was like in Britain before the eastern Europeans arrived en masse and I don’t.
You win again.
Harry Monk:
OK then Orys, you remember what life was like in Britain before the eastern Europeans arrived en masse and I don’t.
I know what it was, I read (british) books: you needed cheap labour, because you was unable to pay all these benefits to people who “would not rise their bum for less than X per hour” or you werent able to pay your cleaners what they think they are worth. You could regulate your wages as much as you wish if you were North Korea, but you live in real world and you have to compete on international market. So just like many times before in your history, you just decided that you will get some cheap labour from abroad to save your ■■■. Thats why you imported Jamaicans, Pakistanis etc etc etc. This time you welcomed Eastern Europeans.
The problem was that because you have no idea about Eastern Europe and you think that Central and East European Studies are waste of taxpayers money (do I remember correctly that it was you?), you had no experts on that field, and you were unable to estimate how much of them will like to come here… So you ended with 10 times more cheap labour you needed…
You win again.
Sadly… You are writing more and more crap, and our discussions used to be so educative, I learned a lot from you. Now you sometimes sound like some ned or BNP fanatic…
orys:
Sadly… You are writing more and more crap, and our discussions used to be so educative, I learned a lot from you. Now you sometimes sound like some ned or BNP fanatic…
So that’s twice now that you have made reference to the BNP, presumably you are trying to persuade everybody that my opinions are based on racial hatred?
Sorry Orys, but every single person on TruckNet will see through your cheap trick. We’re getting a bit used to newcomers playing the “race card” now.
No, that wasnt my intention.
I just tried to say that you used to talk more sense and now you just talk rubbish. BNP is for me example of someone who talks rubbish, I wasn’t refering to the racism at any moment, its just the myth you keep repeating are so stupid that I would expect to hear them from BNP, not from wise guy as you are.
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Lorn trakta:
I was born in england, left school at 15 years old, am now 60 yrs old, have never been on the dole, like all those east euro’s?,
Yeah, most of the East Euros also never been on a dole (at least here). You are right on this.
own outright two houses in Herts and an apartment in Gibralta where I live, I dont take any thing out of UK or GIB, I did it all from driving hgv’s,
Good for you, congratulations.
now how many british HGV drivers are going to be able to follow suite?,
Not many, I am afraid. This is worldwide trend, my generation (30s) will be the first generation since the war that will be worse than our parents were…
on the crap wages that have followed your invasion,
If you had your great wages, then you would be unable to compete not only with Eastern Europe, but with a whole Europe. Its a general trend, that low skilled jobs are less paid while better skilled jobs go up. Whats about all this Occupy Wall Street movement? They are protesting about the same and they don’t have influx of Eastern Europeans.
steriotypical held views of the lazy british
This has nothing to do with the nation, many Poles in Poland are also not interested in working. Its just two factors:
reinforced by workers who dont give a hoot about the laws that british workers are forced to comply with
What laws exactly, if you dont mind explaining?
those bullit proof polish licences dont give you any competitive edge over brit drivers does it?
No, because nobody will employ you without British counterpart license. And if you have it, just like I do, you are at exactly the same rights as British driver - I even pay my insurance for “full UK license holder”.
simply break the law and fhart of to another EU country , do it all again, add infinitum
You mean that you can got full 12 points and then UK cannot take your Polish photocard of you? This is exactly the same for British people abroad, so I can’t see any advantage for Poles. Go to Ireland, do the same, then move to France… Who stops you?
And if such Pole has completed his 12 points and is banned from driving in UK, he is no longer your competition…
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They are largely a PITA when they work in transport offices…geography is useless and language often a problem, took me 10mins on the phone to get a bloody postcode from the office foreigner at Freshlink once…and they are 90% foreign there as well, in the end I had to ask to speak to an english speaking person so I could get on with the bloody job, any other time that phone call would have lasted 2mins max…Im tipped, where do you want me ■■? Yep, (insert as applicable) ,not been there before, you got a postcode ■■, right thanks, bye…
There is an exception to the rule in every case of course.
15.45 on a weekday,it is only the Brits that say i am lucky to get tipped at their yard as in 2 minutes they were going home,and my delivery has inconvenienced their evening off for a skittles do,going to the doctor,dentist,funeral.
Lorn trakta:
dear orysDo you really think that we in britain are unaware that you can fill your licence here with points, then get it back in poland cleaned up, because points here dont transfer to poland, and thats what us lazy brits should do also in other countries to keep working, and to hell with law and order, like how many east euro’s give a dam about WTD, or even know what it is, its rammed down the brits throat, read the forums here , brits are now scared of thier own shadows, oh no they’re just lazy .
I’m not surprised that LGV driving is looked upon as low skilled in Poland, its exhibited enough daily in britain.
Dear Lorn Trakta:
I am fully aware that you in Britain have many myths about Poland, that most of them are as crap as the one you just presented.
I would be really interested how you imagine a process of “cleaning” my license in Poland, because of what I know Poland has not gained access to DVLA database so far…
As for WTD, this is paneuropean thing, in Polish it is called “Ustawa o czasie pracy kierowców” and it was introduced in Dziennik Ustaw issue 92 position 879 in 2004, so a year before Britain (SI 2005 No. 639), so please stop telling such crap if you don’t mind.
As for the low skilled driving observing in Britain: you have to take into consideration, that plenty of Polish truck drivers are young drivers, as due to recent boom in that industry young people got into industry. We also do not have this problem that young people can’t find a job so they have to start from some local 7.5 t driving, therefore you see plenty of young inexperienced drivers who got into international haulage in age 21 or 22.
To compare that British truck driver’s average age is fifty-something, so for obvious reasons the average Briton will be more experienced. But if you compare the drivers of similar experience, you will find no difference in driving skills (unless there is snow off course 
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