nightline:
Dover will have to treble it’s docking for boats because the French are going to love sending anyone that wants to come no control in France big mistake and a lot of people voted thinking this was going to sort it
And that can be sorted by imposing massive fines on the ferry operators, just like the hauliers get. The only delays will be while they triple check the boats for stowaways in Calais.
Very few if any fines are imposed on hauliers taking reasonable precautions against illegals. Massive fines against hauliers is unjust, massive fines against ferry companies would be equally unjust.
nightline:
Dover will have to treble it’s docking for boats because the French are going to love sending anyone that wants to come no control in France big mistake and a lot of people voted thinking this was going to sort it
As I’ve read it it’s the EU that invited them in and that wants more to come.Yes the French might ‘love’ sending them here so what’s stopping us sending them back.No surprise that would be the pro immigration pro EU Socialist activists there and here.Who see an advantage in altering the demographic of this country to one which they see as being more in line with their ideology.
OVLOV JAY:
It’s better because we can use our own steel rather than imported Chinese steel. Eu tariffs won’t have an impact on what we produce for our own consumption
As I understand it the UK produces enough domestic steel for the construction industry, but needs to import other grades for automotive uses etc. Our steel is produced from largely imported coal, ore, and domestic scrap. If we use expensive UK steel from (almost non-existent UK coal/ore mines) to make goods how can we then export cars or whatever in a world market? We use Chinese steel because it`s cheap, so making the end product cheap, after all. You can make valid arguments about regulation, safety of workers,and pollution etc but as you say “cash is king” and Chinese steel is currently king.
The fact is we’ve lost much of our own steel making capacity in favour of EU imports.As proven by Redwoods figures.As for the coal industry we haven’t run out of coal Thatcher closed the mines like everything else in favour of imports.
On that note if Chinese steel is supposedly King how do you explain the health of the German steel industry v ours.
Well you can’t have your cake and eat it. The car manufacturers are supposed to be leaving after Brexit according to the doomsday merchants. So if there’s no car industry, there’s no need for Chinese steel
In all honesty, nobody knows for sure what will happen, but if people continue to clutch onto Eddie Izzards handbag, we might miss a golden opportunity to improve things for the better.
OVLOV JAY:
Well you can’t have your cake and eat it. The car manufacturers are supposed to be leaving after Brexit according to the doomsday merchants. So if there’s no car industry, there’s no need for Chinese steel
In all honesty, nobody knows for sure what will happen, but if people continue to clutch onto Eddie Izzards handbag, we might miss a golden opportunity to improve things for the better.
Well thats an optimistic spin on things! We wont earn anything from selling expensive value-added cars etc, but wont have to buy cheap steel? How many unemployed car workers after your job then? No-one knows what will happen, youre right, and I promise you I want to be mistaken as much as you think I am!
OVLOV JAY:
It’s better because we can use our own steel rather than imported Chinese steel. Eu tariffs won’t have an impact on what we produce for our own consumption
As I understand it the UK produces enough domestic steel for the construction industry, but needs to import other grades for automotive uses etc. Our steel is produced from largely imported coal, ore, and domestic scrap. If we use expensive UK steel from (almost non-existent UK coal/ore mines) to make goods how can we then export cars or whatever in a world market? We use Chinese steel because it`s cheap, so making the end product cheap, after all. You can make valid arguments about regulation, safety of workers,and pollution etc but as you say “cash is king” and Chinese steel is currently king.
The fact is we’ve lost much of our own steel making capacity in favour of EU imports.As proven by Redwoods figures.As for the coal industry we haven’t run out of coal Thatcher closed the mines like everything else in favour of imports.
On that note if Chinese steel is supposedly King how do you explain the health of the German steel industry v ours.
Answered your own question maybe? Mis-management by NATIONAL Government.
The EU has raised tariffs against Chinese steel. Germany can now compete. (for the moment anyway, like us they now import all? raw materials) But their government has (within Eu regs) given them lower energy prices, and a framework to survive. Our Government(s) have laid off coal workers only for we tax payers to pay their dole money, whilst importing foreign coal & ore. The Eu aint perfect but you cant blame it for EVERYTHING bad that happens in the UK! (although UK politicos love passing the buck to Brussels).
OVLOV JAY:
Well you can’t have your cake and eat it. The car manufacturers are supposed to be leaving after Brexit according to the doomsday merchants. So if there’s no car industry, there’s no need for Chinese steel
In all honesty, nobody knows for sure what will happen, but if people continue to clutch onto Eddie Izzards handbag, we might miss a golden opportunity to improve things for the better.
I think nobody in their right mind knows what will happen.
But it’s important to go in it with the eyes wide open, and don’t have the illusion that we come out on the other end smelling of roses.
Many problems will never get solved, and we will go deep, much deeper than anybody can imagine.
A deep point is that my holiday this year cost already 40% more than a couple of years ago, as the pound is 1 to 1 with the Euro (was 2.20 euro to the pound 16 years ago)
We never stand a chance as country if we just believe that it will be fine, we need to bloody hard work,and get rid of the leeches who ■■■■ our social security systems empty ( including Brits who never have paid tax in their lives, and unmarried mothers of 16 year old with 5 kids)
A lot immigrants (including myself) support the NHS and pay tax, or supply jobs to the Brits.
Any country can be only successful and offer a good future for their children, if all its occupants support, pay tax and work hard.
OVLOV JAY:
Well you can’t have your cake and eat it. The car manufacturers are supposed to be leaving after Brexit according to the doomsday merchants. So if there’s no car industry, there’s no need for Chinese steel
In all honesty, nobody knows for sure what will happen, but if people continue to clutch onto Eddie Izzards handbag, we might miss a golden opportunity to improve things for the better.
I think nobody in their right mind knows what will happen.
But it’s important to go in it with the eyes wide open, and don’t have the illusion that we come out on the other end smelling of roses.
Many problems will never get solved, and we will go deep, much deeper than anybody can imagine.
A deep point is that my holiday this year cost already 40% more than a couple of years ago, as the pound is 1 to 1 with the Euro (was 2.20 euro to the pound 16 years ago)
We never stand a chance as country if we just believe that it will be fine, we need to bloody hard work,and get rid of the leeches who ■■■■ our social security systems empty ( including Brits who never have paid tax in their lives, and unmarried mothers of 16 year old with 5 kids)
A lot immigrants (including myself) support the NHS and pay tax, or supply jobs to the Brits.
Any country can be only successful and offer a good future for their children, if all its occupants support, pay tax and work hard.
I agree with the sentiment. But equally, we can’t go in negative either. If everyone pulls together to make it a success, the country will be fine.
OVLOV JAY:
Well you can’t have your cake and eat it. The car manufacturers are supposed to be leaving after Brexit according to the doomsday merchants. So if there’s no car industry, there’s no need for Chinese steel
In all honesty, nobody knows for sure what will happen, but if people continue to clutch onto Eddie Izzards handbag, we might miss a golden opportunity to improve things for the better.
I think nobody in their right mind knows what will happen.
But it’s important to go in it with the eyes wide open, and don’t have the illusion that we come out on the other end smelling of roses.
Many problems will never get solved, and we will go deep, much deeper than anybody can imagine.
A deep point is that my holiday this year cost already 40% more than a couple of years ago, as the pound is 1 to 1 with the Euro (was 2.20 euro to the pound 16 years ago)
We never stand a chance as country if we just believe that it will be fine, we need to bloody hard work,and get rid of the leeches who ■■■■ our social security systems empty ( including Brits who never have paid tax in their lives, and unmarried mothers of 16 year old with 5 kids)
A lot immigrants (including myself) support the NHS and pay tax, or supply jobs to the Brits.
Any country can be only successful and offer a good future for their children, if all its occupants support, pay tax and work hard.
Suggest you take up your holiday problems with your local money changer, never have you been able to get 2.20 for a pound, when the euro first came out it was 60 pence for a euro the best it has been that way nowhere near 2.20 per pound, since brexit the euro has never gone one for one with the pound in the money markets just rip off merchants taking advantage of Brexit to scam a few pounds from gullible customers. It is currently around the 85p for a euro a price that has been about average for the last 5 years.
OVLOV JAY:
It’s better because we can use our own steel rather than imported Chinese steel. Eu tariffs won’t have an impact on what we produce for our own consumption
As I understand it the UK produces enough domestic steel for the construction industry, but needs to import other grades for automotive uses etc. Our steel is produced from largely imported coal, ore, and domestic scrap. If we use expensive UK steel from (almost non-existent UK coal/ore mines) to make goods how can we then export cars or whatever in a world market? We use Chinese steel because it`s cheap, so making the end product cheap, after all. You can make valid arguments about regulation, safety of workers,and pollution etc but as you say “cash is king” and Chinese steel is currently king.
The fact is we’ve lost much of our own steel making capacity in favour of EU imports.As proven by Redwoods figures.As for the coal industry we haven’t run out of coal Thatcher closed the mines like everything else in favour of imports.
On that note if Chinese steel is supposedly King how do you explain the health of the German steel industry v ours.
Answered your own question maybe? Mis-management by NATIONAL Government.
The EU has raised tariffs against Chinese steel. Germany can now compete. (for the moment anyway, like us they now import all? raw materials) But their government has (within Eu regs) given them lower energy prices, and a framework to survive. Our Government(s) have laid off coal workers only for we tax payers to pay their dole money, whilst importing foreign coal & ore. The Eu aint perfect but you cant blame it for EVERYTHING bad that happens in the UK! (although UK politicos love passing the buck to Brussels).
In which case bearing in mind that we’re supposedly all in this European happy families share it all around project ‘together’ surely ze Germans would have been expected to have said that they want to see Europe’s current steel market demand shared equally among its steel producers not the Germans taking the lion’s share.As for importing raw materials the way I’ve read it the Germans are at the forefront of telling everyone else that they must stop using coal and close down old industries like steel making and coal mining and use of coal fired energy while doing exactly the opposite themselves.That’s in addition to a historic policy of the transfer of UK manufacturing industry to Germany in numerous sectors since we joined the EU.
While our government’s going along with it can be explained by the historic issue that the US wants a Federal Europe with Germany as top dog for its own,Federalist domestic and foreign policy.All based on the idea that secessionist Nationalist movement in Europe will create similar unrest at home combined with the bs idea that peace in Europe depends on keeping ze Germans happy.While as we all know when the US says jump the UK government usually says how high.
OVLOV JAY:
Well you can’t have your cake and eat it. The car manufacturers are supposed to be leaving after Brexit according to the doomsday merchants. So if there’s no car industry, there’s no need for Chinese steel
In all honesty, nobody knows for sure what will happen, but if people continue to clutch onto Eddie Izzards handbag, we might miss a golden opportunity to improve things for the better.
I think nobody in their right mind knows what will happen.
But it’s important to go in it with the eyes wide open, and don’t have the illusion that we come out on the other end smelling of roses.
Many problems will never get solved, and we will go deep, much deeper than anybody can imagine.
A deep point is that my holiday this year cost already 40% more than a couple of years ago, as the pound is 1 to 1 with the Euro (was 2.20 euro to the pound 16 years ago)
We never stand a chance as country if we just believe that it will be fine, we need to bloody hard work,and get rid of the leeches who ■■■■ our social security systems empty ( including Brits who never have paid tax in their lives, and unmarried mothers of 16 year old with 5 kids)
A lot immigrants (including myself) support the NHS and pay tax, or supply jobs to the Brits.
Any country can be only successful and offer a good future for their children, if all its occupants support, pay tax and work hard.
If you don’t like young mothers having kids then the last thing we need is Merkel and Juncker telling us to take in loads of Asian immigration because the indigenous population supposedly isn’t reproducing itself in enough numbers.
As for the value of the pound supposedly being affected by Brexit how do you explain it being worth 2.5 Swiss Francs before we joined the EEC in 1970 and 1.4 in 2010 ?.
Meanwhile spare us more of the same old reverse racist bs directed against the indigenous population.
Carryfast:
In which case bearing in mind that we’re supposedly all in this European happy families share it all around project ‘together’ surely ze Germans would have been expected to have said that they want to see Europe’s current steel market demand shared equally among its steel producers not the Germans taking the lion’s share.As for importing raw materials the way I’ve read it the Germans are at the forefront of telling everyone else that they must stop using coal and close down old industries like steel making and coal mining and use of coal fired energy while doing exactly the opposite themselves.That’s in addition to a historic policy of the transfer of UK manufacturing industry to Germany in numerous sectors since we joined the EU.
While our government’s going along with it can be explained by the historic issue that the US wants a Federal Europe with Germany as top dog for its own,Federalist domestic and foreign policy.All based on the idea that secessionist Nationalist movement in Europe will create similar unrest at home combined with the bs idea that peace in Europe depends on keeping ze Germans happy.While as we all know when the US says jump the UK government usually says how high.
Maybe the Germans will share their steel industry when we share our financial sector and the French their wine production. Some things work better in centres of excellence. Yes, a lot of German electricity is produced by coal, in fact most of it. Coal mined in Germany is used as coke in the furnaces too. They never had Maggie close their mines did they. You can`t blame Brussels for that.
Carryfast:
In which case bearing in mind that we’re supposedly all in this European happy families share it all around project ‘together’ surely ze Germans would have been expected to have said that they want to see Europe’s current steel market demand shared equally among its steel producers not the Germans taking the lion’s share.As for importing raw materials the way I’ve read it the Germans are at the forefront of telling everyone else that they must stop using coal and close down old industries like steel making and coal mining and use of coal fired energy while doing exactly the opposite themselves.That’s in addition to a historic policy of the transfer of UK manufacturing industry to Germany in numerous sectors since we joined the EU.
While our government’s going along with it can be explained by the historic issue that the US wants a Federal Europe with Germany as top dog for its own,Federalist domestic and foreign policy.All based on the idea that secessionist Nationalist movement in Europe will create similar unrest at home combined with the bs idea that peace in Europe depends on keeping ze Germans happy.While as we all know when the US says jump the UK government usually says how high.
Maybe the Germans will share their steel industry when we share our financial sector and the French their wine production. Some things work better in centres of excellence. Yes, a lot of German electricity is produced by coal, in fact most of it. Coal mined in Germany is used as coke in the furnaces too. They never had Maggie close their mines did they. You can`t blame Brussels for that.
We can blame Brussels for that bearing in mind that Maggie was in large part working as part of an obvious US/EU plan to de industrialise the UK.In order to make Germany top dog within the EU federation with the UK left a weak subservient shell with an economy based on services instead of manufacturing.
As for the unwarranted attack on the UK’s manufacturing abilities that’s just another good reason why we need to leave the EU.IE do we really want to be turned into a bigger version of Greece based on a Europhile German admiration agenda.
Carryfast:
We can blame Brussels for that bearing in mind that Maggie was in large part working as part of an obvious US/EU plan to de industrialise the UK.In order to make Germany top dog within the EU federation with the UK left a weak subservient shell with an economy based on services instead of manufacturing.
As for the unwarranted attack on the UK’s manufacturing abilities that’s just another good reason why we need to leave the EU.IE do we really want to be turned into a bigger version of Greece based on a Europhile German admiration agenda.
Sir, you excel yourself with that remarkable viewpoint. Early alarm tomorrow, so a good evening to you.
I live in what was Camerons’ constituency and thus we have a bi election on the 20th. I doubt I’ll bother to vote (I voted leave in May) because nobody has said anything that has direct benefit to myself. The tory candidate wants “HGV traffic sorted in Burford, Chipping Norton and Woodstock” (all Tory toff towns) so I wont be supporting him. Lib Dems sent us some stupid survey, the Greens I wouldn’t even wipe my arse on their material, never mind read it. Labours’ had virtually nothing apart from objecting to new grammar schools. However I may I’m ashamed to say vote for them as a protest vote. Unless the BNP fields a candidate of course.
Muckaway:
I live in what was Camerons’ constituency and thus we have a bi election on the 20th. I doubt I’ll bother to vote (I voted leave in May) because nobody has said anything that has direct benefit to myself. The tory candidate wants “HGV traffic sorted in Burford, Chipping Norton and Woodstock” (all Tory toff towns) so I wont be supporting him. Lib Dems sent us some stupid survey, the Greens I wouldn’t even wipe my arse on their material, never mind read it. Labours’ had virtually nothing apart from objecting to new grammar schools. However I may I’m ashamed to say vote for them as a protest vote. Unless the BNP fields a candidate of course.
Are UKIP not fielding a candidate? I thought they were campaigning in that area on “NO to HS2” thingy…
If Gordon Brown’s “safe seat” can fall to SNP - why can’t Cameron’s now fall to UKIP in an area where I thought they were quite popular?
I’ve not seen or heard anything about a UKIP candidate, we get the lunatic asylum candidates like the English Democrats but not the plain speaking ones.
It matters not what happens, the rich will still be rich and the majority will still be poor.
Don`t think you are rich if you have a few mill sloshing around, because you are not, you are just a facilitator, the true money is truly unimaginable to the majority.
Nothing will change because the owners of the world will not have it, the last thing the owners of the world want is an educated, mobile and motivated populace, so nothing will change.
So it is all a waste of time all these politics, money, etc…I am here for the entertainment value of it all, because nothing is real and it certainly won`t last forever, I expend energy on enjoying myself, no time for all the rubbish in the news, it is not news, it is fairy tales.
Go out and enjoy yersens, free yoursens from the drudge of the world/country/society by not subscribing to the lie…You will feel better for it.
Muckaway:
I’ve not seen or heard anything about a UKIP candidate, we get the lunatic asylum candidates like the English Democrats but not the plain speaking ones.
Blimey if I’ve read it right you think that English Democrats are nutters but the BNP and Labour aren’t.
