RoadsRat:
Punchy Dan:
^^^^ yes ,always thought this my self ,why is it that the last pig to attend drives flat out to an accident scene even though the others have got the job in hand .How do you know that the “others have got the job in hand”?
Err by being involved in an accident my self 
RoadsRat:
robbo99.:
Always make me howl when a traffic cop hammers past me on the motorway doing a ton plus to get to the next exit to go back on the opposite carriageway to attend an incident. In the meantime I’ve passed opposite the incident and there are already half a dozen cop cars and other emergency vehicles there. Then up ahead on the opposite carriageway the said tear ars£ appears still driving like his ars£ is on fire. FfsI’m sure if it was you or your family involved in an accident, you’d want all available resources to get on scene as quickly as possible?
But while the unnecessary tear ars£ traffic cop doing a ton plus and putting other road users at risk, cos a ton plus is still a ton plus even when driven by an “expert” cop and there’s already half a dozen cop cars and an ambulance there, explain why he needs to be there in such a rush, maybe got the tv crew with him for the tosh cop shows on tv which are usually like watching Laurel and Hardy.
RoadsRat:
acd1202:
RoadsRat:
robbo99.:
Always make me howl when a traffic cop hammers past me on the motorway doing a ton plus to get to the next exit to go back on the opposite carriageway to attend an incident. In the meantime I’ve passed opposite the incident and there are already half a dozen cop cars and other emergency vehicles there. Then up ahead on the opposite carriageway the said tear ars£ appears still driving like his ars£ is on fire. FfsI’m sure if it was you or your family involved in an accident, you’d want all available resources to get on scene as quickly as possible?
If it was me or my family involved in the accident I’d want the ambulance and possibly the fire service there asap; but whilst the police have a job to do, that could wait until any life threatening matters have been attended to by the real emergency services as opposed to the emergency prevention and clearing up afterwards service.
That shows an ignorant lack of understanding of the job that the police do at an accident scene.
So, enlighten us then.
Punchy Dan:
RoadsRat:
Punchy Dan:
^^^^ yes ,always thought this my self ,why is it that the last pig to attend drives flat out to an accident scene even though the others have got the job in hand .How do you know that the “others have got the job in hand”?
Err by being involved in an accident my self
So you are able to see them driving flat out all the way to the scene. Of course you did.
I’m glad you know the scene management role better than the police do.
robbo99.:
RoadsRat:
robbo99.:
Always make me howl when a traffic cop hammers past me on the motorway doing a ton plus to get to the next exit to go back on the opposite carriageway to attend an incident. In the meantime I’ve passed opposite the incident and there are already half a dozen cop cars and other emergency vehicles there. Then up ahead on the opposite carriageway the said tear ars£ appears still driving like his ars£ is on fire. FfsI’m sure if it was you or your family involved in an accident, you’d want all available resources to get on scene as quickly as possible?
But while the unnecessary tear ars£ traffic cop doing a ton plus and putting other road users at risk, cos a ton plus is still a ton plus even when driven by an “expert” cop and there’s already half a dozen cop cars and an ambulance there, explain why he needs to be there in such a rush, maybe got the tv crew with him for the tosh cop shows on tv which are usually like watching Laurel and Hardy.
That’s why police cars have a siren, flashing headlights, blue flashing lights and reflective markings to make them more visible when trying to get somewhere quickly.
Why do you worry how many police cars are there? If they’re not needed then they leave the scene. Isn’t it better they have too many resources than too little?
acd1202:
So, enlighten us then.
Key functions for the police at an incident are to:
Secure and protect the scene, and preserve the life of those present;
With other emergency services, to save life;
Coordinate the emergency response with other emergency services and support agencies;
To preserve the scene and maintain control of it to ensure the integrity of it for any
subsequent investigation;
Investigate the incident, including obtaining and securing the evidence in conjunction with
other investigatory bodies where applicable.
There’s the need to close the road, set out road signs, examine the scene
, deal with casualties
, remove obstructions
and carry out a detailed investigation including taking statements etc.
RoadsRat:
Punchy Dan:
RoadsRat:
Punchy Dan:
^^^^ yes ,always thought this my self ,why is it that the last pig to attend drives flat out to an accident scene even though the others have got the job in hand .How do you know that the “others have got the job in hand”?
Err by being involved in an accident my self
So you are able to see them driving flat out all the way to the scene. Of course you did.
I’m glad you know the scene management role better than the police do.
Typical pig ,got to have the last say ,no wonder so many hate them .
Punchy Dan:
Typical pig ,got to have the last say ,no wonder so many hate them .
I was simply replying to what you posted. If you don’t like it then fine but resorting to name calling only confirms the peoples negative opinion and dislike of truck drivers.
RoadsRat:
acd1202:
So, enlighten us then.Key functions for the police at an incident are to:
Secure and protect the scene, and preserve the life of those present;
With other emergency services, to save life;
Coordinate the emergency response with other emergency services and support agencies;
To preserve the scene and maintain control of it to ensure the integrity of it for any
subsequent investigation;Investigate the incident, including obtaining and securing the evidence in conjunction with
other investigatory bodies where applicable.There’s the need to close the road, set out road signs, examine the scene
, deal with casualties
, remove obstructions
and carry out a detailed investigation including taking statements etc.
Thanks for the response I wasn’t expecting it, certainly not to that length.
I have to say that I am relieved not to be as ignorant of your work as you previously implied, already knowing the principal points you outline. I still stand by my original comments that whilst life is at risk or major traumas need treatment I and I believe most others would want a paramedic or even better a trauma doctor. I know that you have first aid training and carry a range of equipment which is more than most lorry drivers can claim but ultimately each to their own. After this has been dealt with then you investigate and lead the clear up. OK you have to manage traffic flow at an earlier stage, although these days the highways agency bods tend to do this on the ground from what I have seen, can’t say that I blame you either on a wet night putting out cones cannot be fun.
Maybe I didn’t make my thoughts clear, or maybe we just have to agree to disagree.
Added to which just to observe that on these forums with the exception of the few people that most of us know in “real life” we have to take each other at face value, a mixture of what they claim and what comes over in their posts unless proven otherwise. We come from a wide range of roles and backgrounds the only common factor being an interest in road transport. A little tolerance goes a long way for all.
RoadsRat:
robbo99.:
RoadsRat:
robbo99.:
Always make me howl when a traffic cop hammers past me on the motorway doing a ton plus to get to the next exit to go back on the opposite carriageway to attend an incident. In the meantime I’ve passed opposite the incident and there are already half a dozen cop cars and other emergency vehicles there. Then up ahead on the opposite carriageway the said tear ars£ appears still driving like his ars£ is on fire. FfsI’m sure if it was you or your family involved in an accident, you’d want all available resources to get on scene as quickly as possible?
But while the unnecessary tear ars£ traffic cop doing a ton plus and putting other road users at risk, cos a ton plus is still a ton plus even when driven by an “expert” cop and there’s already half a dozen cop cars and an ambulance there, explain why he needs to be there in such a rush, maybe got the tv crew with him for the tosh cop shows on tv which are usually like watching Laurel and Hardy.
That’s why police cars have a siren, flashing headlights, blue flashing lights and reflective markings to make them more visible when trying to get somewhere quickly.
Why do you worry how many police cars are there? If they’re not needed then they leave the scene. Isn’t it better they have too many resources than too little?
I was merely pointing out the times I have seen a traffic cop hurting down the motorway when the incident is being attended to already, putting other motorists at risk. Totally unjustifiable and if you take a look at the stats for Police vehicles involved in serious and fatal road accidents you might get my drift.
So how should it go?
Controller puts out a message saying the 2 nearest units go quickly to accident and 3 more drive slowly?
Which are the 2 nearest? Does control get on Google maps to see where they all are and work it out with a pencil and paper? With an accident on one carriageway and ‘rubber neckers’ on the opposite one, the traffic flows change. Secondary collisions happen. The first cars could be delayed.
From first often confused reports how many units are needed anyway?
Seems obvious to me to get lots of help there ASAP.
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Franglais:
So how should it go?
Controller puts out a message saying the 2 nearest units go quickly to accident and 3 more drive slowly?
Which are the 2 nearest? Does control get on Google maps to see where they all are and work it out with a pencil and paper? With an accident on one carriageway and ‘rubber neckers’ on the opposite one, the traffic flows change. Secondary collisions happen. The first cars could be delayed.
From first often confused reports how many units are needed anyway?
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looks like its not going the way mr rat intended after all?
still,in the best of the fridge engineers rule of debate,best to just keep flogging that dead horse with a dew snide digs till it gets too boring for everyone else,and it dies a death…ignore it,then start posting knowitall pish again…the sage continues.
robbo99.:
Franglais:
So how should it go?
Controller puts out a message saying the 2 nearest units go quickly to accident and 3 more drive slowly?
Which are the 2 nearest? Does control get on Google maps to see where they all are and work it out with a pencil and paper? With an accident on one carriageway and ‘rubber neckers’ on the opposite one, the traffic flows change. Secondary collisions happen. The first cars could be delayed.
From first often confused reports how many units are needed anyway?
Seems obvious to me to get lots of help there ASAPSent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk
I did actually refer to when the incident was already being taken care of. In 30 plus years of driving I’ve seen it many times. Reading the stats regarding police vehicles involved in serious and fatal accidents, many of them on a blue light is shocking.
robbo99.:
robbo99.:
Franglais:
So how should it go?
Controller puts out a message saying the 2 nearest units go quickly to accident and 3 more drive slowly?
Which are the 2 nearest? Does control get on Google maps to see where they all are and work it out with a pencil and paper? With an accident on one carriageway and ‘rubber neckers’ on the opposite one, the traffic flows change. Secondary collisions happen. The first cars could be delayed.
From first often confused reports how many units are needed anyway?
Seems obvious to me to get lots of help there ASAPSent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk
I did actually refer to when the incident was already being taken care of. In 30 plus years of driving I’ve seen it many times. Reading the stats regarding police vehicles involved in serious and fatal accidents, many of them on a blue light is shocking.
You are makng the assumption (maybe good/bad) the vehicle you saw was going to the same incident?
And I’ve little doubt that blue light drives include accidents. Any numbers?
But what can you equate accident rates in those drives with? Can’t compare emergency responders with cake deliveries can we? [emoji5]
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Franglais:
robbo99.:
robbo99.:
Franglais:
So how should it go?
Controller puts out a message saying the 2 nearest units go quickly to accident and 3 more drive slowly?
Which are the 2 nearest? Does control get on Google maps to see where they all are and work it out with a pencil and paper? With an accident on one carriageway and ‘rubber neckers’ on the opposite one, the traffic flows change. Secondary collisions happen. The first cars could be delayed.
From first often confused reports how many units are needed anyway?
Seems obvious to me to get lots of help there ASAPSent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk
I did actually refer to when the incident was already being taken care of. In 30 plus years of driving I’ve seen it many times. Reading the stats regarding police vehicles involved in serious and fatal accidents, many of them on a blue light is shocking.
You are makng the assumption (maybe good/bad) the vehicle you saw was going to the same incident?
And I’ve little doubt that blue light drives include accidents. Any numbers?
But what can you equate accident rates in those drives with? Can’t compare emergency responders with cake deliveries can we? [emoji5]
In the great words of Judge Judy it’s a case of he said she said. I’m only saying what I have seen myself. If controllers don’t take control of situations they find themselves in then maybe the situations in question are down to poor communication.
Just google stats on police accidents, I found them to be quite frankly shocking.Sent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk
Oops added to your post franglais, my words not yours!
I’m not taking sides but this is the reaction of a cop when a doughnut truck caught on fire.
robbo99.:
Oops added to your post franglais, my words not yours!
Poor coms could easily lead to unnecessary blue lights, gotta agree. Whether getting extra, possibly unnecessary, units to an accident is better than possibly, being short of units, is a judgment call. You’re surely right that blue light trips are more hazourdous than slower trips, and so should be avoided.
Gotta weigh risk of fast trip, against risk of under manning?
I dunno.
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robbo99.:
Just google stats on police accidents, I found them to be quite frankly shocking.
Found these, but not what we`re discussing :
statista.com/statistics/319 … and-wales/
theguardian.com/uk-news/201 … otings-soa
I don’t know how to assess the figures? Are they higher or lower than other country`s police forces?
And I can’t see figures for police accidents in non-emergency driving except from 2008/9? Gottta be there somewhere?