robroy:
I haven’t got a problem with HATO tbh.
They are they are there to assist in traffic situations, and any feedback I’ve had from people they have helped on the hard shoulder or whatever, has been nothing but good tbf.
If my Mrs or daughters were in that situation I would be appreciative of them.
The few exchanges I have had with these guys, they have not come across as officious or the (perceived by some) wannabe Old Bill, but were very polite…
What they do not do is moan about this that and the [zb] other preventing them from doing a proper job and display the exact opposite when it suits them, or suits their superiors when putting them on a relatively trivial operation purely to raise revenue…unlike our Police force…
(Ok, I know they are not in a position to undertake revenue raising excercises, but you get my point)
Beaver is correct, our resident Police spokesman and his apologist , are both conspicuous by their absence since the discussion went up a gear.
Hate to blow your silly theory but the only reason I have not been online is because my family and I have been on a little holiday. That is if you class me as his apologist.
Anyway we all have our own opinions and I still say the police (overall) do a good job considering how hard a job it can be. It certainly takes far more skill and training to be a good policeman and it cannot be compared to driving a lorry in any way but I am sure you realise that.(obviously some on here do not.) The police are far more regulated than lorry drivers and the consequences for breaking their rules are far greater than ours. I just cannot believe all the hatred on here towards the likes of emergency services. Bad enough with cyclists and car drivers but this thread is totally embarrassing for any civilised truck driver.
PS you call “not a clues” post as going up a gear?
eagerbeaver:
Can’t have it both ways Boss I’m afraid. You were on here last year regarding the moron football guy who injured & killed co workers of yours whilst texting at the wheel. You and the HA received absolute support on here quite rightly, so it’s not like we are all anti HA.
But you have to accept that numerous accounts of poor assistance have been experienced by many on the motorways. I get the loyalty and supporting your mates thing but sometimes it’s just about telling the truth. NFC is quite right to be ■■■■■■ at you in my view as all of a sudden you play the ’ civil tongue ’ line…
Maybe it’s just me, but when you accuse someone as spouting rubbish, it usually won’t end well. Passive aggressive when it suits?
As for your alleged police mate, he seems to have gone remarkably quiet on both threads
I would be hauled over the coals by my manager if I did any of the things alleged. Maybe our way of working in my county is more conscientious than others.
Own Account Driver:
Looks like it’s official though the public hate the police more than lorry drivers.
Have a look at the comments under this video. Yes the copper was on some spurious chase with no blues and twos to try and sneak up on the car that had sped past him but the truck driver was a hopeless moron 100% in the wrong.
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i reckon the cop was in the wrng.
its 2 lanes where the truck hit him as your turning right there.
going round the left hander then he would be in the blindspot along the trailer,so once agan the cop is seemd as a fanny
Own Account Driver:
Looks like it’s official though the public hate the police more than lorry drivers.
Have a look at the comments under this video. Yes the copper was on some spurious chase with no blues and twos to try and sneak up on the car that had sped past him but the truck driver was a hopeless moron 100% in the wrong.
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i reckon the cop was in the wrng.
its 2 lanes where the truck hit him as your turning right there.
going round the left hander then he would be in the blindspot along the trailer,so once agan the cop is seemd as a fanny
Never thought id agree with you, but at 120mph you’re catching up to that lorry pretty quick. Especially round that bend.
The second time I watched the run up to the accident I kept a look out for the lorries mirrors, they’re not visable until just before the collision.
he wasnt in lane 3 as by the time he was moving over there were only 2 lanes approaching the roundabout as lane 3 merged though plod didnt see that.
the truck was indicating in plenty of time as he must have been turning right at the end of the motorway,but similar to the head up his opinionated blinkered ■■■,then the woodentop thinks he is holier than thou,do no wrong,and always right.
funny how the uncensored opinions are somewhat of a different view to the fact that the cop is a prat.
look at 2.54 to see 2 lanes.
plod says he keeps coming and coming and coming,whereas in reality plod should have braked and kept his im more important than you outlook qwll out of the road. there was ample time for plod to avoid the truck no matter if he should have been merging to the right or not,so the cop is just a complete fanny.
dieseldog999:
he wasnt in lane 3 as by the time he was moving over there were only 2 lanes approaching the roundabout as lane 3 merged though plod didnt see that.
Watching on a small phone I cant quite make that out. Copper himself admits that lane three is closing so it was pretty ambitious to try and overtake there anyways. So much for “highly trained”.
rightly or wrongly then truckie is indicating and moving across obviously oblivious to the woodentop approaching at 120+
the fact that the aforementioned woodentop cant see that and take evasive action shows what a wally their line of thought takes.
6 and two 3s I reckon.
The copper shouldn’t have attempted to get into that gap, but the driver should have been checking his mirrors all the time whilst edging over,.and seen said copper doing so.
I’ve noticed a lot lately how often some drivers just do not use their mirrors when they should be.
Anyhow…the driver lost a lot of sympathy with me when he jumped out of the driver’s seat already wearing his hi viz
robroy:
6 and two 3s I reckon.
The copper shouldn’t have attempted to get into that gap, but the driver should have been checking his mirrors all the time whilst edging over,.and seen said copper doing so.
I’ve noticed a lot lately how often some drivers just do not use their mirrors when they should be.
Anyhow…the driver lost a lot of sympathy with me when he jumped out of the driver’s seat already wearing his hi viz
You reckon eh? So what should he have done whilst traveling at speed chasing an idiot in a BMW? when another idiot pulls into his path for no good reason?
The fact is the lorry should never have moved into his path.(END OF) As copper said probably not even noticed the car approaching because too lazy to check his mirrors or if he did see the car his perception of speed is extremely poor or he is just an utter ■■■■ of a driver. Just the sort of appalling driving we see most days on our roads.
robroy:
6 and two 3s I reckon.
The copper shouldn’t have attempted to get into that gap, but the driver should have been checking his mirrors all the time whilst edging over,.and seen said copper doing so.
I’ve noticed a lot lately how often some drivers just do not use their mirrors when they should be.
Anyhow…the driver lost a lot of sympathy with me when he jumped out of the driver’s seat already wearing his hi viz
You reckon eh? So what should he have done whilst traveling at speed chasing an idiot in a BMW? when another idiot pulls into his path for no good reason?
The fact is the lorry should never have moved into his path.(END OF) As copper said probably not even noticed the car approaching because too lazy to check his mirrors or if he did see the car his perception of speed is extremely poor or he is just an utter ■■■■ of a driver. Just the sort of appalling driving we see most days on our roads.
Aye…I do reckon eh.
He should have anticipated or at least taken into account the possibility of that driver pulling over without checking his mirrors, because as you yourself keep telling us again and again, (and a ■■■■ gain ) there are a lot of dicks today driving trucks.
Where did I say the driver SHOULD have moved over??
The fact is he DID
The highly trained copper should have been driving defensively to counteract that possibility
Hence the use of the phrase 6 and two threes. .
You’re the only guy I know who can agree with the jist of a post, but at the same time make it sound as if you are arguing with it.
robroy:
6 and two 3s I reckon.
The copper shouldn’t have attempted to get into that gap, but the driver should have been checking his mirrors all the time whilst edging over,.and seen said copper doing so.
I’ve noticed a lot lately how often some drivers just do not use their mirrors when they should be.
Anyhow…the driver lost a lot of sympathy with me when he jumped out of the driver’s seat already wearing his hi viz
You reckon eh? So what should he have done whilst traveling at speed chasing an idiot in a BMW? when another idiot pulls into his path for no good reason?
The fact is the lorry should never have moved into his path.(END OF) As copper said probably not even noticed the car approaching because too lazy to check his mirrors or if he did see the car his perception of speed is extremely poor or he is just an utter ■■■■ of a driver. Just the sort of appalling driving we see most days on our roads.
Aye…I do reckon eh.
He should have anticipated or at least taken into account the possibility of that driver pulling over without checking his mirrors, because as you yourself keep telling us again and again, (and a [zb] gain ) there are a lot of dicks today driving trucks.
Where did I say the driver SHOULD have moved over??
The fact is he DID
The highly trained copper should have been driving defensively to counteract that possibility
Hence the use of the phrase 6 and two threes. .
You’re the only guy I know who can agree with the jist of a post, but at the same time make it sound as if you are arguing with it.
He should have anticipated that the truck was going to move over? If you really believe that it just shows how biased you are. If these cops anticipated that every driver was going to pull over on them they would never catch anyone. The lorry driver is meant to be a professional and if he cannot see a police car approaching at high speed with headlamps flashing he is not using correct observation and THAT IS A FACT. Maybe you need to sit in a vehicle on a high speed pursuit to see the other side of the coin. The simple fact is in this case is a dozy lorry driver did not use correct observation and because of that you and some others are showing how utterly biased you can be probably because you are one of the many who think like the people the cop talks about at the start of the video. It really beggars belief.
jakethesnake: He should have anticipated that the truck was going to move over? If you really believe that it just shows how biased you are. If these cops anticipated that every driver was going to pull over on them they would never catch anyone. The lorry driver is meant to be a professional and if he cannot see a police car approaching at high speed with headlamps flashing he is not using correct observation and THAT IS A FACT. Maybe you need to sit in a vehicle on a high speed pursuit to see the other side of the coin. The simple fact is in this case is a dozy lorry driver did not use correct observation and because of that you and some others are showing how utterly biased you can be probably because you are one of the many who think like the people the cop talks about at the start of the video. It really beggars belief.
Are you having trouble reading and understanding my posts mate or what?
Should I adapt the size/style of font in blacks and reds, as you have ?..to maybe help?
How am I biased I’ve already stated clearly (or so I thought) that the driver should have used his mirrors, so evidently wasn’t exactly the brightest knife in the box.
We all get it mate, you are every Policeman’s besty and have evidently experienced ‘’‘high speed pursuits’’ (is that meant to impress me btw…cos it doesn’t )
Say what you like, he should be aware of potential bad moves, and practice anticipation and defensive driving techniques, or is that worse than risking pranging up his car?
Even me as a ‘‘Low life, low intelligent, ■■■■ poor driving trucker’’ that you keep banging on about, will always assume the worst when for example overtaking, ( just to be on the safe side) such as him maybe potentially pulling out/cutting in or any other example of poor driving…but hey! Wtf do I know eh?
I have just watched this on again but on YouTube as there you can make it full screen.
Just as the car-cam starts you can see the roundabout sign & the lorry is under the bridge curving to the left & looks like his indicator is going.
Just past the bridge is the road narrows sign & the lorry’s offside mirror cannot be seen & indicator still going.
When the Volvo is not far from the lorry his mirror comes into view and he is still moving over & indicating and giving no sign of having seen the car rapidly approaching (121mph showing)
Volvo then starts to overtake at just over a ton … opps !
I wonder how far that roundabout was ?, driver said he was going to turn right there.
Lets say there was some kind of obstruction down the road that the lorry driver had seen from his advantage ?
PC said he only had his headlights flashing (?) chasing a BM who was long gone.
IMO the Police driver was more in the wrong than the lorry driver in this case & both are to blame.
IMO the Police driver was more in the wrong than the lorry driver in this case & both are to blame.
Yeah of course, that’s why the lorry driver was prosecuted and the police officer was not and believe me there is no biased when these collisions are investigated.(extremely thoroughly by civilians and not cops.)
If the copper is anyway in the wrong( or they think he could have prevented it) they come down on them like a ton of bricks. They also take into account who they were chasing at the time and the level of their crime but I am presuming you know that.
jakethesnake: IMO the Police driver was more in the wrong than the lorry driver in this case & both are to blame.
Yeah of course, that’s why the lorry driver was prosecuted and the police officer was not and believe me there is no biased when these collisions are investigated.(extremely thoroughly by civilians and not cops.)
If the copper is anyway in the wrong( or they think he could have prevented it) they come down on them like a ton of bricks. They also take into account who they were chasing at the time and the level of their crime but I am presuming you know that.
Lucky I was not one of those “civilians” then as from what I have seen I would have come to a different conclusion as the Police driver (in this case) is supposed to be very highly trained.
Again from the info on the video the driver did not know who he was pursuing just that he was speeding so we have to assume that that was his level of crime.
jakethesnake: IMO the Police driver was more in the wrong than the lorry driver in this case & both are to blame.
Yeah of course, that’s why the lorry driver was prosecuted and the police officer was not and believe me there is no biased when these collisions are investigated.(extremely thoroughly by civilians and not cops.)
If the copper is anyway in the wrong( or they think he could have prevented it) they come down on them like a ton of bricks. They also take into account who they were chasing at the time and the level of their crime but I am presuming you know that.
I must have missed that bit in the video, or is it from another source?
As Drivers,we are all taught to expect the unexpected and to anticipate other road users actions. Doing 120 mph on the approach to a roundabout were unfortunately people do manoeuvre from one lane to another and may even make what appear to be a stupid or even illegal manoeuvre in the last few hundred yards on approach is always going to be extremely risky were speeds of 120 mph are involved. Speed kills. Even a cop car with fancy stripes and lights is going to come off worse in a collision with a wagon.
jakethesnake: He should have anticipated that the truck was going to move over? If you really believe that it just shows how biased you are. If these cops anticipated that every driver was going to pull over on them they would never catch anyone. The lorry driver is meant to be a professional and if he cannot see a police car approaching at high speed with headlamps flashing he is not using correct observation and THAT IS A FACT. Maybe you need to sit in a vehicle on a high speed pursuit to see the other side of the coin. The simple fact is in this case is a dozy lorry driver did not use correct observation and because of that you and some others are showing how utterly biased you can be probably because you are one of the many who think like the people the cop talks about at the start of the video. It really beggars belief.
According to the commentary on the film, at about 1:15 to 1:35
as every police officer knows danger is just around the bend
the danger is in front of the police officer, an active indicator on the lorry, a sign for a roundabout, and he is closing at a speed several times that which the lorry is doing. Given all the signs and the even more superior training that pursuit drivers are required to complete you think the lorry drivers observations were poor, and I agree, but the coppers were good? I think the coppers judgment was flawed in this instance as he was only using flashing head lights, in much the same way as impatient drivers do to intimidate/bully others out of their way, having chosen not to use the additional blues & twos and missed the several clues as to the lorry’s intended path.
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