fuse:
i can not think what framework knitting machines have to do with not wanting those vehicles on our overcrouded roads
Google harder young man 
montana man:
Google harder young man
Oooh MM, you are awfulâŚ
I didnât need to Google that one eitherâŚDoes that mean that weâre old gits 
dieseldave:
[ Oooh MM, you are awfulâŚ
But you like me â â (now theres classic comedy for you)
Weâll have to have a meeting to decide that
and were off and running, cue Denis
montana man:
Weâll have to have a meeting to decide that
A full committee meeting of the PFLJ??
Procedurally incorrect brother, weâd have to have a meeting to discuss the arrangements for the meetingâŚthen the minutes would have to be amendedâŚfollowed by a voteâŚShall we take a vote on whether to hold a vote?
montana man:
and were off and running, cue Denis
Last I saw of Denis, he was âresting.â 
Secretary MM, please make a note of Denisâ absence.
Unable to take a note due to lack of proper note taking procedure. Suggest a meeting to solve this, all those in favour say aye
re Denis, we usually just prod him with a stick every now and then in a kind of Father Jack style of waking
montana man:
Unable to take a note due to lack of proper note taking procedure. Suggest a meeting to solve this, all those in favour say aye
Iâll add that to the minutes for the next meeting. Surely you remember that the next meeting must be used to discuss the proposal, after which it could be added to the agenda for the meeting after that. Then we could have a voteâŚif only somebody can be found whoâs prepared to second the motionâŚYou canât just ride roughshod over our constitutional procedures 
(Denis will have woken up by the time we get this sorted out )
montana man:
re Denis, we usually just prod him with a stick every now and then in a kind of Father Jack style of waking
A pointed stick??
Ah, I get it, its like humour 
Just back form touring trip in oz from Cairns to Sydney.The Bruce & Pacific highway apart from bits round Brisbane & Sydney being dualed or Freeway most of it is not a good of standard as say the A1 N/cle to Edinboro. The towns were not bypassed & there didnt seem to be any HGV speed limit(spardo will put me right on that point) but the Double Bs didnt seem to have to many problems. Congestion wasnt such a problem as in our little Island but used in the right applications & not having stupid speed restrictions placed on them I could`nt see a problem to them operating here.
greek:
Just back form touring trip in oz from Cairns to Sydney.The Bruce & Pacific highway apart from bits round Brisbane & Sydney being dualed or Freeway most of it is not a good of standard as say the A1 N/cle to Edinboro. The towns were not bypassed & there didnt seem to be any HGV speed limit(spardo will put me right on that point) but the Double Bs didnt seem to have to many problems. Congestion wasnt such a problem as in our little Island but used in the right applications & not having stupid speed restrictions placed on them I could`nt see a problem to them operating here.
Remember you talking about that before you went Greek, when can we expect the pictures?
Certainly not surprised by what you say (canât remember about speed limits) though, road trains are far less trouble on the roads than smashed up knitting machines.
So you passed through my old home towns (as in towns I lived in), Townsville, Mackay, Sarina, Ayr, and Sydney. Half your luck, good times remembered. Maybe when I win the lotteryâŚ
dieseldave:
beattun:
Spardo:
beattun:
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i stand correctedWhat, before I could even come back at you?
I was going to reply that I was talking about the art of the possible, not what modern regulations demand. Just trying to demonstrate that, properly driven, road trains can be less of a pain than you would think.
Of course Iâm not advocating that Denby drag his motors through city centres, but certainly mortorway trunking and limited specified major road running to break points should be acceptable on both environmental and safety grounds.in theory youre right, and as far as i know that was the general idea when they brought in the B-Doubles for Melbourne, they were only supposed to go from depot to depot, on freeways, but eventually you get operators pushing it to the point where theyre running around back-street industrial estates
That problem seemed to be caused by slack enforcement, donât you think.?
Perhaps the UK could have a look at the way that it was done in Sweden in the 80s (the last time I was there, so maybe itâs still the same.) At the time, their length limit was 24ish meters IIRC, and those vehicles were only allowed on certain roads. The way that Sweden numbers its roads lent itself very well to that idea. The law was straightforward, you werenât allowed to drive one of those vehicles on a road with a road number larger than N150, (I thinkâŚ) but Iâm sure somebody else remembers, or knows the current system.For UK use, it might be just motorways and major dual carriageways, but i feel that the problem would be to do with available assembly/splitting points. We seem so short of space in the UK.
Today youĂ´re allowed to drive anywhere in Sweden and Finland with a 25.25m long vehicle weighing 60 tonnes.
fuse:
i don care what corners they can go round, or what other tricks they can do they are to big for our over crouded roads. i think they are as silly an idea as those artic busses
WouldnĂ´t the total amount of trucks decrease, after the trucks got bigger? So it could probably decrase the amount of cars on the roadâŚ
After all 25.25m long vehicles arenĂ´t hard to drive.
Infact a drawbar with a 5 axle trailer is easier to reverse with than a normal 2 or 3 axle trailer. ItĂ´s much slower turns with it so you have more time while reversing it
Robbe:
WouldnĂ´t the total amount of trucks decrease, after the trucks got bigger? So it could probably decrase the amount of cars on the roadâŚ
Yes, the number of trucks needed to do the work would decreaseâŚ
So haulierâs costs would be reducedâŚ
So theyâd undercut each other with lower ratesâŚ
So customers would be able to ship stuff to the shops for lessâŚ
So stuff would get cheaperâŚ
So weâd all buy more stuffâŚ
So weâd need more trucks to transport itâŚ
So weâd end up where we started but with bigger trucks.
Donât get me wrong, Iâm all for the trial and would love to have a go at driving one. Not sure how theyâll reduce the number of cars on the road though, apart from taking out a few more numpties!
Robbe:
Today youĂ´re allowed to drive anywhere in Sweden and Finland with a 25.25m long vehicle weighing 60 tonnes.
Thanks for that Robbe, my info is well and truly updated.
Was I about right with my 20+ year old hazy recollection?? (Just for the history book )
how about this then make the trucks extra long then put them on rails. it will save paying a train driver 35 k for 35 hours
good fun reversing them by the way, ive had a bash at it in the yard a few times here in melbourne, you need to revert back to rigid reversing frame of mind only much much more delicate
fuse:
how about this then make the trucks extra long then put them on rails. it will save paying a train driver 35 k for 35 hours
You make a serious point though Fuse, I often thought back in the sixties that all the closed down railway lines would have made excellent long distance truck only routes and these would have been more than suitable for road trains. Not all would have been wide enough for 2 way traffic but half off the normal roads would have worked well. I used to do the run over Woodhead often enough and always looked down at the disused railtrack and tunnel with a sense of an opportunity lost.
Spardo:
fuse:
how about this then make the trucks extra long then put them on rails. it will save paying a train driver 35 k for 35 hours
The M62 was built roughly along the lines of the Hull to Barnsley railway. I know because it was my own private racetrack when I was a kid. I hated the planners for that 
But trains cannot cope with the infrastructure we have, so extra freight on the railways would be no better or quicker. And you canât deliver a load of milk to the supermarket car park with a train or deliver an urgent load of tarmac to that new housing estate opposite it either.
dieseldave:
Robbe:
Today youĂ´re allowed to drive anywhere in Sweden and Finland with a 25.25m long vehicle weighing 60 tonnes.Thanks for that Robbe, my info is well and truly updated.
Was I about right with my 20+ year old hazy recollection?? (Just for the history book
JepâŚ
In the early 90ies the max weight was 56 tonnes in the summertime and 60 tonnes during the wintermonthsâŚ
Robbe:
In the early 90ies the max weight was 56 tonnes in the summertime and 60 tonnes during the wintermonthsâŚ
Thanks again Robbe, Iâm going back to the mid 80âs though so I guess it might have been different again that far back. Hereâs a few of my pics from a trip to Sweden in this post: http://trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23313 Do you remember that configuration??
dieseldave:
montana man:
]re Denis, we usually just prod him with a stick every now and then in a kind of Father Jack style of waking
Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh?