Make sure the next car you buy is equipped with ESP = no more scarey moments!
stevieboy308:
Carryfast:
If it’s a truck either option could get ‘interesting’ if it’s an artic.
If it’s a car it depends on wether it’s front wheel drive or rear wheel drive.In the case of front wheel drive using power would probably cause it to lose traction which means no steering at all and it’ll then understeer off the road which is the main advantage of rear drive in that loss of traction doesn’t mean total loss of steering.
power is your friend in front wheel drive
Explain how you’d use that power then when your skiding on ice.
weeto:
Make sure the next car you buy is equipped with ESP = no more scarey moments!
Really? I have ESP and abs in my car and I find in icy or snowy conditions I find them too sensitive and hinders you more so I always turn them off. Maybe my car system is very sensitive who knows. 
franklin:
Just turn Left… like a boss…
I bet he needed a trouser change after that manoeuvre!!!
Nicely done though 
Saaamon:
stevieboy308:
Carryfast:
If it’s a truck either option could get ‘interesting’ if it’s an artic.If it’s a car it depends on wether it’s front wheel drive or rear wheel drive.In the case of front wheel drive using power would probably cause it to lose traction which means no steering at all and it’ll then understeer off the road which is the main advantage of rear drive in that loss of traction doesn’t mean total loss of steering.
power is your friend in front wheel drive
Explain how you’d use that power then when your skiding on ice.
best to get off the power and the brakes in a front wheel drive and try to steer through the trouble,
however some front wheel drives can be prone to “lift off oversteer”- i have a fiesta van for the commute to work,and in the snow if you lift off mid corner (even at surprisingly low speed) the back end will start to come round so just apply some power and the front wheels will pull it round.
andrew.s:
Saaamon:
stevieboy308:
Carryfast:
If it’s a truck either option could get ‘interesting’ if it’s an artic.If it’s a car it depends on wether it’s front wheel drive or rear wheel drive.In the case of front wheel drive using power would probably cause it to lose traction which means no steering at all and it’ll then understeer off the road which is the main advantage of rear drive in that loss of traction doesn’t mean total loss of steering.
power is your friend in front wheel drive
Explain how you’d use that power then when your skiding on ice.
best to get off the power and the brakes in a front wheel drive and try to steer through the trouble,
however some front wheel drives can be prone to “lift off oversteer”- i have a fiesta van for the commute to work,and in the snow if you lift off mid corner (even at surprisingly low speed) the back end will start to come round so just apply some power and the front wheels will pull it round.
exactly,
and if you’ve got understeer you can use the handbrake to turn it into oversteer, then back on the power and relax the steering angle until the rotational acceleration starts to slow, then put your lock back on.
or whilst on the power start covering the brakes with you left foot, this gives a weight transfer that should turn the understeer into an overseer, this needs a lot of practice as for one, your let foot is used to pressing the clutch so it needs a bit or retraining!!
but if you think by doing nothing you’ll ride it out without hitting out, then do that!
entry speed - it doesn’t matter how good you are, if you arrive too fast then there’ll be nothing you can do
stevieboy308:
andrew.s:
Saaamon:
stevieboy308:
Carryfast:
If it’s a truck either option could get ‘interesting’ if it’s an artic.If it’s a car it depends on wether it’s front wheel drive or rear wheel drive.In the case of front wheel drive using power would probably cause it to lose traction which means no steering at all and it’ll then understeer off the road which is the main advantage of rear drive in that loss of traction doesn’t mean total loss of steering.
power is your friend in front wheel drive
Explain how you’d use that power then when your skiding on ice.
best to get off the power and the brakes in a front wheel drive and try to steer through the trouble,
however some front wheel drives can be prone to “lift off oversteer”- i have a fiesta van for the commute to work,and in the snow if you lift off mid corner (even at surprisingly low speed) the back end will start to come round so just apply some power and the front wheels will pull it round.exactly,
and if you’ve got understeer you can use the handbrake to turn it into oversteer, then back on the power and relax the steering angle until the rotational acceleration starts to slow, then put your lock back on.
or whilst on the power start covering the brakes with you left foot, this gives a weight transfer that should turn the understeer into an overseer, this needs a lot of practice as for one, your let foot is used to pressing the clutch so it needs a bit or retraining!!
but if you think by doing nothing you’ll ride it out without hitting out, then do that!
entry speed - it doesn’t matter how good you are, if you arrive too fast then there’ll be nothing you can do
Rear wheel drive = power oversteer because it’s the rear wheels that break traction so the rear slides which is controlled with opposite lock because the steer wheels have no power.
Front wheel drive = power understeer because it’s the front wheels that break traction which is why the only thing that power is any good for with a front driver is if the thing slides at the back while keeping grip at the front because of their habit of lift off over steer.If it’s a front driver that’s lost grip at the front the only thing that more power will do is to break traction which loses even more grip which totally removes all steering control an sends it off the road in an understeering slide and using the handbrake to counteract that will just result in going off the road sideways instead.So front drive it’s just a case of brake as lightly as possible and hope.
Whereas if it’s a Mk 1 ■■■■■■ or a Cortina amongst others for example 
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Come off all pedals and gentle steering control, that’s my usual system and I’ve had some near moments, mostly in a RWD Transit though so if they powerslide it kicks the tail out (can be fun on open yards I’m delivering too )
I agree with the above about car safety systems being a touch over sensitive though, the ones on my Volvo definetly are!
Heated seat on, coffee in hand and let the computermabobs and decent tyres do the work 
Carryfast:
stevieboy308:
andrew.s:
Saaamon:
stevieboy308:
Carryfast:
If it’s a truck either option could get ‘interesting’ if it’s an artic.If it’s a car it depends on wether it’s front wheel drive or rear wheel drive.In the case of front wheel drive using power would probably cause it to lose traction which means no steering at all and it’ll then understeer off the road which is the main advantage of rear drive in that loss of traction doesn’t mean total loss of steering.
power is your friend in front wheel drive
Explain how you’d use that power then when your skiding on ice.
best to get off the power and the brakes in a front wheel drive and try to steer through the trouble,
however some front wheel drives can be prone to “lift off oversteer”- i have a fiesta van for the commute to work,and in the snow if you lift off mid corner (even at surprisingly low speed) the back end will start to come round so just apply some power and the front wheels will pull it round.exactly,
and if you’ve got understeer you can use the handbrake to turn it into oversteer, then back on the power and relax the steering angle until the rotational acceleration starts to slow, then put your lock back on.
or whilst on the power start covering the brakes with you left foot, this gives a weight transfer that should turn the understeer into an overseer, this needs a lot of practice as for one, your let foot is used to pressing the clutch so it needs a bit or retraining!!
but if you think by doing nothing you’ll ride it out without hitting out, then do that!
entry speed - it doesn’t matter how good you are, if you arrive too fast then there’ll be nothing you can do
Rear wheel drive = power oversteer because it’s the rear wheels that break traction so the rear slides which is controlled with opposite lock because the steer wheels have no power.
Front wheel drive = power understeer because it’s the front wheels that break traction which is why the only thing that power is any good for with a front driver is if the thing slides at the back while keeping grip at the front because of their habit of lift off over steer.If it’s a front driver that’s lost grip at the front the only thing that more power will do is to break traction which loses even more grip which totally removes all steering control an sends it off the road in an understeering slide and using the handbrake to counteract that will just result in going off the road sideways instead.So front drive it’s just a case of brake as lightly as possible and hope.
Whereas if it’s a Mk 1 ■■■■■■ or a Cortina amongst others for example
Next time it snows go and play in a car park in a front wheel drive car, make it understeer, then whilst still on the power gently press and hold the brake on with your left foot, increasing power if necessary
stevieboy308:
Next time it snows go and play in a car park in a front wheel drive car, make it understeer, then whilst still on the power gently press and hold the brake on with your left foot, increasing power if necessary
To transfer weight to the front tyres?
Saaamon:
stevieboy308:
Next time it snows go and play in a car park in a front wheel drive car, make it understeer, then whilst still on the power gently press and hold the brake on with your left foot, increasing power if necessaryTo transfer weight to the front tyres?
Correct
weeto:
Make sure the next car you buy is equipped with ESP = no more scarey moments!
It does have ESP and a whole host of other 3 letter functions that appeared to be useless today!!
Dip the clutch and try to steer and hang on until you come out of the skid.
coreysboys:
So you begin turning a corner at low speed and hit black ice. You’re heading towards a collision with the kerb. Do you hit the abs or accelerator and try and power out of the skid?
Speaking from experience of just such an even happening to me … very very very gently accelorate, steering into the skid, under no circumstances touch the brakes.
stevieboy308:
exactly,and if you’ve got understeer you can use the handbrake to turn it into oversteer, then back on the power and relax the steering angle until the rotational acceleration starts to slow, then put your lock back on.
or whilst on the power start covering the brakes with you left foot, this gives a weight transfer that should turn the understeer into an overseer, this needs a lot of practice as for one, your let foot is used to pressing the clutch so it needs a bit or retraining!!
but if you think by doing nothing you’ll ride it out without hitting out, then do that!
entry speed - it doesn’t matter how good you are, if you arrive too fast then there’ll be nothing you can do
This man got it spot on
stevieboy308:
Saaamon:
stevieboy308:
Next time it snows go and play in a car park in a front wheel drive car, make it understeer, then whilst still on the power gently press and hold the brake on with your left foot, increasing power if necessaryTo transfer weight to the front tyres?
Correct
No thanks.When I’m driving the shopping car I’ll drive it like one.
‘Proper’ cars use the front wheels for steering and the back ones to drive them with. 
coreysboys:
weeto:
Make sure the next car you buy is equipped with ESP = no more scarey moments!It does have ESP and a whole host of other 3 letter functions that appeared to be useless today!!
ESP, ABS, and any other safety function are all completely useless on ice.
if there is a lot of ice there my advice is brace yourself or jump on the bunk 