Harry Monk:
berewic:
If it’s still plated at 44 ton, you can’t even drive it on a class 2 licence, let alone a car licence.You can drive any type of tractor unit on a Class C (HGV2) licence. This has been covered many times on here before.
I always thought that harry but then all the **** u hear about fifth wheel has to be removed etc etc made me think was i right and i was too lazy to even check up on it
C10HOO:
damion.p:
berewic:
If it’s still plated at 44 ton, you can’t even drive it on a class 2 licence, let alone a car licence.Even If its plated at 144t as long as its not pulling a trailer you can drive the unit on a cat c licence
as long as the unit doesn’t weigh more than 32t
[Zb] If its a rigid its class 2. With a trailer over 750kg its class 1. Get it?
Also you can get van size artics 
This is just a case of someone wanting to drive a lorry 
the laws must have changed since I worked there … It used to be the tractor unit must be registered ‘private’ and the fith wheel removed.
Just going on that link, like I said I might be wrong, I was mainly on about normal bits of kit and like I said not specialist gear.
BuzzardBoy:
The truck in question is a 4x2 Daf CF flat cab, which comes in well under 7500kgs
Then the answer is no.
The relevant weight is its plated weight, which they now seem to call “maximum authorised mass”.
That means that it and any trailer and load cannot weigh more than 7.5 tonnes in total, not what a solo tractor unit weighs.
By the way, what is a “flat cab”?
Anyone remember Chris Ewbanks hassle with his unit?
He drove it for about 5yrs with legal experts fighting in the courts so that he could drive it on his car licence, after 5 years and god knows how much money, he went and sat his class C licence.
If his money thrown at lawyers couldn’t get it sorted, I’d say the answer is NO.
And his would definately be plated private, and private plated - got a pic somewhere, his licence basically reads Chris, but can’t remember exactly how, maybe CHR1S??
It’s CHR111S, but it used to be 1KO - this number plate is now on his SUV, or the other way round, it’s a few years since I saw it.
This isn’t my picture, can’t be bothered trawling through to find it, mine was him directly behind me going past St James’ Palace
waynedl:
Anyone remember Chris Ewbanks hassle with his unit?He drove it for about 5yrs with legal experts fighting in the courts so that he could drive it on his car licence, after 5 years and god knows how much money, he went and sat his class C licence.
If his money thrown at lawyers couldn’t get it sorted, I’d say the answer is NO.
And his would definately be plated private, and private plated - got a pic somewhere, his licence basically reads Chris, but can’t remember exactly how, maybe CHR1S??
That would definitely weigh over 7500kg though so could not have been downplated to be driven on a C1 licence. The OP is talking about a DAF 4x2 unit that could be downplated to be driven on a pre 1997 “standard” driving licence (i.e. with category C1 on it).
Paul
The reason i ask is this…
I saw these in J9 a couple of weeks ago and got me thinking 
You can drive a vehicle up to 7500kgs on a car license pre Jan 1997 and tow a trailer up to 750kgs…
So, could you theoretically drive a tractor unit and a small trailer/caravan(under 750kgs) on a towball hitch like the one above(i know the caravan above weighs more than 750kgs)
repton:
waynedl:
Anyone remember Chris Ewbanks hassle with his unit?He drove it for about 5yrs with legal experts fighting in the courts so that he could drive it on his car licence, after 5 years and god knows how much money, he went and sat his class C licence.
If his money thrown at lawyers couldn’t get it sorted, I’d say the answer is NO.
And his would definately be plated private, and private plated - got a pic somewhere, his licence basically reads Chris, but can’t remember exactly how, maybe CHR1S??
That would definitely weigh over 7500kg though so could not have been downplated to be driven on a C1 licence. The OP is talking about a DAF 4x2 unit that could be downplated to be driven on a pre 1997 “standard” driving licence (i.e. with category C1 on it).
Paul
But, aren’t you stuck between being PLG which I believe has to be under 3500kg, anything between 3500 and 7500 becomes a light goods vehicle, and then it’s down to plated weights, so I think a daf 4x2 would still be plated too high for a car licence?
edit
I got this from the DVLA website…
DVLA website:
There are special licensing arrangements allowing you to drive larger vehicles without having to hold the higher large goods vehicle (LGV) driving licence entitlement. When driving larger vehicles, the maximum authorised mass (total weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load it can carry) determines the driving licence entitlement needed.Maximum authorised mass
If the vehicle has a maximum authorised mass, which exceeds 3.5 tonnes, but not 7.5 tonnes then a category C1 licence is needed. If the maximum authorised mass exceeds 7.5 tonnes then a category C licence is needed.
I’ve put the parts I think are relevent in bold, ie, even if a tractor unit weighs in at 7450kg, it’s MAM can still be 18000 kg or whatever, meaning it can’t be driven on a car licence?
I’m not 100% here btw.
BuzzardBoy:
The reason i ask is this…I saw these in J9 a couple of weeks ago and got me thinking
You can drive a vehicle up to 7500kgs on a car license pre Jan 1997 and tow a trailer up to 750kgs…So, could you theoretically drive a tractor unit and a small trailer/caravan(under 750kgs) on a towball hitch like the one above(i know the caravan above weighs more than 750kgs)
I think pre-1997 there wasn’t a 750kg limit for towing, that’s post 1997 which is what I had when I passed 
when towing the 5th wheel type american caravans padlock the fifth wheel so the trailer cannot be disconnected and the outfit becomes a motorhome.
There are a variety of smaller vehicles that can tow larger weights to get you up to that 8,250kg limit for the C1E that most have on their licences.
OK, that’s a small trailer, but they could and did tow heavier things in the field, right?
And then of course, you have properly built and modified articulated four wheel drives. These were converted by Land Rover Special Vehicles. I have heard the rumours of their LR130 crewcab with a fifth wheel instead of the loadbed, but have yet to actually see them in use. I guess they must have gone through Foley’s SV and not recorded. They even had the LR150 crewcab with the loadbed in the back plus some longer beasties.
On the road they tow them via the fifth wheel, but on grass they use the drawbar linkage.
So that vehicle will tow up to a 3.5t trailer standard however it could have been modified by LRSV to actually tow more. I didn’t get to find the plated towing weight.
There have been plenty of vans around with a fifth wheel coupling too, but I guess it comes down to what you actually need and want to do without spending the money to get your relevant vocational licences.
waynedl:
There are special licensing arrangements allowing you to drive larger vehicles without having to hold the higher large goods vehicle (LGV) driving licence entitlement. When driving larger vehicles, the maximum authorised mass (total weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load it can carry) determines the driving licence entitlement needed.Maximum authorised mass
If the vehicle has a maximum authorised mass, which exceeds 3.5 tonnes, but not 7.5 tonnes then a category C1 licence is needed. If the maximum authorised mass exceeds 7.5 tonnes then a category C licence is needed.
I’ve put the parts I think are relevent in bold, ie, even if a tractor unit weighs in at 7450kg, it’s MAM can still be 18000 kg or whatever, meaning it can’t be driven on a car licence?
I’m not 100% here btw.
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If it weighed 7450 kgs it could be plated at that meaning that although it could physically carry a load it wouldn’t be legal to.
Talking of private heavy vehicles, I have seen a few of these over the past few days.
dar1976:
Talking of private heavy vehicles, I have seen a few of these over the past few days.
I’ve seen a few similar myself, Mitsubishi Animals or Nissan Navara’s mainly. I think it looks like a good stable towing combination, compared to my caravan on my towbar.
Oops quoted wrong person 
mrpj:
waynedl:
There are special licensing arrangements allowing you to drive larger vehicles without having to hold the higher large goods vehicle (LGV) driving licence entitlement. When driving larger vehicles, the maximum authorised mass (total weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load it can carry) determines the driving licence entitlement needed.Maximum authorised mass
If the vehicle has a maximum authorised mass, which exceeds 3.5 tonnes, but not 7.5 tonnes then a category C1 licence is needed. If the maximum authorised mass exceeds 7.5 tonnes then a category C licence is needed.
I’ve put the parts I think are relevent in bold, ie, even if a tractor unit weighs in at 7450kg, it’s MAM can still be 18000 kg or whatever, meaning it can’t be driven on a car licence?
I’m not 100% here btw.
If it weighed 7450 kgs it could be plated at that meaning that although it could physically carry a load it wouldn’t be legal to.
Edited because:-
Bloody hell forget it, I agree with you.
Been up since midnight better get to bed.
schrodingers cat:
mrpj:
waynedl:
There are special licensing arrangements allowing you to drive larger vehicles without having to hold the higher large goods vehicle (LGV) driving licence entitlement. When driving larger vehicles, the maximum authorised mass (total weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load it can carry) determines the driving licence entitlement needed.Maximum authorised mass
If the vehicle has a maximum authorised mass, which exceeds 3.5 tonnes, but not 7.5 tonnes then a category C1 licence is needed. If the maximum authorised mass exceeds 7.5 tonnes then a category C licence is needed.
I’ve put the parts I think are relevent in bold, ie, even if a tractor unit weighs in at 7450kg, it’s MAM can still be 18000 kg or whatever, meaning it can’t be driven on a car licence?
I’m not 100% here btw.
If it weighed 7450 kgs it could be plated at that meaning that although it could physically carry a load it wouldn’t be legal to.
No the Maximum Authorised mass would be what it was plated to, ie the maximum it is authorised to weigh in on a weigh bridge.
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That’s my point, I don’t know how much a 4 leg daf weighs, but if you want to be able to drive it with a full tank and a passenger, it’s gotta be close if possible at all?
schrodingers cat:
mrpj:
waynedl:
There are special licensing arrangements allowing you to drive larger vehicles without having to hold the higher large goods vehicle (LGV) driving licence entitlement. When driving larger vehicles, the maximum authorised mass (total weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load it can carry) determines the driving licence entitlement needed.Maximum authorised mass
If the vehicle has a maximum authorised mass, which exceeds 3.5 tonnes, but not 7.5 tonnes then a category C1 licence is needed. If the maximum authorised mass exceeds 7.5 tonnes then a category C licence is needed.
I’ve put the parts I think are relevent in bold, ie, even if a tractor unit weighs in at 7450kg, it’s MAM can still be 18000 kg or whatever, meaning it can’t be driven on a car licence?
I’m not 100% here btw.
If it weighed 7450 kgs it could be plated at that meaning that although it could physically carry a load it wouldn’t be legal to.
No the Maximum Authorised mass would be what it was plated to, ie the maximum it is authorised to weigh in on a weigh bridge.
That’s my point, plated at 7450 kgs would be the max allowed even if it originally wasn’t.
See above senior tired moment .
