robroy:
Carl Usher:
For the uninformed, “eezeer” is the Barrie Tozer. Confirmed in a recent email enquiry.Just for the record, and being that replies are banned, it never even entered my head that the Sanchez d.head was you.
(He knows what I mean if nobody else does btw.)
I do. Fair enough. 
Dipper_Dave:
Carl Usher:
For the uninformed, “eezeer” is the Barrie Tozer. Confirmed in a recent email enquiry.If this is true and to be honest the ‘ze’ letters had most of us suspicious as well as the cringeworthy gushing about PDU. Then perhaps eezer geezer could confirm or deny.
I do despise shill tactics especially when trying to scam the more gullable amongst us.
Hopefully some proof of eezer being Barrie is available. Even though eezer has denied it once already I struggle to think of any reality where he would openly admit to these dodgy tactics especially now.So ■■■■■■ eezer are you Barrie as alleged.
To get back to the highlighted example, I’ve got mixed feelings.
To dig deeper, (or dipper 
) Dave if you got done for speeding, following a car, and the car driver got 3 points, would you be happy with 6, being that you think we as pro.s should have ‘added accountability’ .
I don’t know if you have me down as ‘one of the gullible.among us’ btw. In my case I’ve never been scared to take a punt on something. I never had myself down as being gullible, in fact I asked Santa the other day when shopping with the Mrs, and even he said no.
Thats the sad thing bjd any organisation that is set up to help unite drivers should be welcomed by all.
What puts me off is the £25 yearly fee, sure its not much but thats the point of the low figure. Any organisations strength is directly linked to its membership. So why not start off for free then sell stickers etc as a sideline.
To start from scratch asking for cash and lets be honest most of this is for directors trousers is a flawed model to attract large enough numbers to become a viable force. Especially in this day and age with epetitions etc.
Trucknet by its sheer volume is better placed to be a voice for drivers (even though I tread a very fine line between premod) it attracts the largest variety from the old hands to the newbies who stick around to learn stuff and the banter.
take a punt with your 25 pound then in a year see where its leading and if its doing any good if its not well you vote with your feet but lets give it go i wouldent think its cheep to set up and i wouldent expect anyone to do it for nothing
Dipper_Dave:
Thats the sad thing bjd any organisation that is set up to help unite drivers should be welcomed by all.What puts me off is the £25 yearly fee, sure its not much but thats the point of the low figure. Any organisations strength is directly linked to its membership. So why not start off for free then sell stickers etc as a sideline.
To start from scratch asking for cash and lets be honest most of this is for directors trousers is a flawed model to attract large enough numbers to become a viable force. Especially in this day and age with epetitions etc.
Trucknet by its sheer volume is better placed to be a voice for drivers (even though I tread a very fine line between premod) it attracts the largest variety from the old hands to the newbies who stick around to learn stuff and the banter.
That’s what a punt is all about Dave, you weigh up the odds and potential benefits against the cost, then make a judgement.
Even better if you have a back up plan to retrieve the stake, a bridge toll or dodgy parking ticket here or there, we’ve all done it (or is it just ME 
) so little potential loss against potential benefits, that aint gullibility it’s taking a gamble.
As for Trucknet being a voice? Well as much as I like and enjoy this site, have you read some of the posts on here? and comments and opinions 
Out of the thousands of members, I could count on 10 fingers and 10 toes how many lads on here, (and that’s even including myself ) that would have the balls to do anything, and stand up for themselves and each other, …but unfortunately I still have a couple of pinkies left. 
Dipper_Dave:
Thats the sad thing bjd any organisation that is set up to help unite drivers should be welcomed by all.What puts me off is the £25 yearly fee, sure its not much but thats the point of the low figure. Any organisations strength is directly linked to its membership. So why not start off for free then sell stickers etc as a sideline.
To start from scratch asking for cash and lets be honest most of this is for directors trousers is a flawed model to attract large enough numbers to become a viable force. Especially in this day and age with epetitions etc.
Trucknet by its sheer volume is better placed to be a voice for drivers (even though I tread a very fine line between premod) it attracts the largest variety from the old hands to the newbies who stick around to learn stuff and the banter.
What I don’t get is the fascination he has with stickers and ID cards. Let’s be realistic here, who honestly gives a ■■■■? I wager the figure is close to zero. ID cards and stickers aren’t going to achieve ■■■■ all.
But this is all moot because as has been discussed and said hundreds of times already, the industry is too diverse for this to work and even if the industry was close knit, truck drivers are historically known for being all mouth and no trousers when it comes to actually doing anything about the stuff they whine about (DCPC anyone?) so I will guarantee you once again that this latest venture will fall flat on its arse just like all the others have.
If you seriously want to make good money at this game you need to set yourself up as a one man band and go contracting. Forget your spot light bars and frilly curtains, just go contracting yourself as a driver. Once you get your feet under the table and ensure the “wheels are kept greased” with the relevant parties you’ll wonder why you didn’t do it years ago. You’ll never make really good money being an employed driver.
i think you will find stickers and the like is about advertising and getting noticed i might be wrong
Blimey no wonder my phones been going mental (cant look at it whilst driving coz im a good boy) I havent had this many tapatalk notifications since I confessed to ■■■■■■■■■ me gaffers wife at a crimbo works do.
As a pretty gullable chap myself no one should let my opinion influence their own, im still completing my DD on this (thats Due Diligence, not the wifes cup size which ironically is also DD).
Eezeer’s continued involvement in this thread will confirm or remove my suspicions at a later date.
@Robroy, apologies for not addressing the double points for speeding thing as I reckon it would make a good seperate thread. Im unable to start one due to being off me ■■■■ on vodka and redbull. Oh and I dont think your gullable at all. Theres a very fine line between trusting and gullable and investing in something that seems to good to be true etc.
Dipper_Dave:
Carl Usher:
For the uninformed, “eezeer” is the Barrie Tozer. Confirmed in a recent email enquiry.If this is true and to be honest the ‘ze’ letters had most of us suspicious as well as the cringeworthy gushing about PDU. Then perhaps eezer geezer could confirm or deny.
I do despise shill tactics especially when trying to scam the more gullable amongst us.
Hopefully some proof of eezer being Barrie is available. Even though eezer has denied it once already I struggle to think of any reality where he would openly admit to these dodgy tactics especially now.So ■■■■■■ eezer are you Barrie as alleged.
Sorry to squash your email enquiries or any other in depth investigations but I can 100% categorically confirm that Eezeer is NOT Barrie Tozer 
I personally know them both and they look totally different, speak with different accents, have different viewpoints on many things and Eezeer is not British born and he is dark skinned 
dri-diddly-iver:
Dipper_Dave:
Carl Usher:
For the uninformed, “eezeer” is the Barrie Tozer. Confirmed in a recent email enquiry.If this is true and to be honest the ‘ze’ letters had most of us suspicious as well as the cringeworthy gushing about PDU. Then perhaps eezer geezer could confirm or deny.
I do despise shill tactics especially when trying to scam the more gullable amongst us.
Hopefully some proof of eezer being Barrie is available. Even though eezer has denied it once already I struggle to think of any reality where he would openly admit to these dodgy tactics especially now.So ■■■■■■ eezer are you Barrie as alleged.
Sorry to squash your email enquiries or any other in depth investigations but I can 100% categorically confirm that Eezeer is NOT Barrie Tozer
I personally know them both and they look totally different, speak with different accents, have different viewpoints on many things and Eezeer is not British born and he is dark skinned
You are a liar Rick.
No I am not! That is definitely NOT Barries’ username - End
Still not enough to confirm excessive shilling isnt taking place, didnt you admit to being one of Bazzas chums also.
I have a brown neighbour (well he has some pink bits as well) whos name is Donkeydong and I have been tempted to impersonate him but have fell short more than once.
Sorry to say this old cliche, but many years ago, we had a similar operation, it was called TGWU, where we had no choice but to join ( if you wanted a decent job, with a decent haulier ) at Interview we had to sign a join the union form where the subs were deducted form your wages every week, we carried a card, and we had window stickers. When we entered a Unionised company, the shop steward would check your card, and company from a list of members,before telling you to proceed, the docks being the most militant one.
The TGWU declined due to government influence over unionised practices, whereby any group could hold the country to ransom, so then any person could decline to join a union. We had the miners strike, we had the newsprint strike at wapping, where no one became the victors, oh and yes there were even strikes by the haulage industry including the petroleum workers, so what really works, well for starters you need lots of support ( members ) as at least it holds some clout, as at the end of the negotiations you had the right to strike…not anymore…so where does that lead…well I admire anyone who wants to improve this industry, to get a decent basic wage for everyone, to get proper safe parking, to have a decent rate for the loads being hauled, to have safe passage when on international journeys ( calais for eg ) but unfortunately they wont get the support they need, drivers are not like they used to be, they want everyone else to fight, whilst they get the benefits without joining in the fight, its a dog eat dog world where the fittest survive, and if they got the support to start the fight, theres plenty who wont join in, meaning theres lots of cover for those who want to stand by 45 gallon drums burning old pallets.
I`ve been fighting a one man war for the best part of 50 years, lost many jobs because of my big mouth, but all because i wont take crap from anyone, but there are thousands of drivers out there who will take the crap, and continue taking the crap, because they want to, rather than fight a just cause.
truckyboy:
Sorry to say this old cliche, but many years ago, we had a similar operation, it was called TGWU, where we had no choice but to join ( if you wanted a decent job, with a decent haulier ) at Interview we had to sign ajoin the unionform where the subs were deducted form your wages every week, we carried a card, and we had window stickers. When we entered aUnionisedcompany, the shop steward would check your card, and company from a list of members,before telling you to proceed, the docks being the most militant one.
The TGWU declined due to government influence over unionised practices, whereby any group could hold the country to ransom, so then any person could decline to join a union. We had the miners strike, we had the newsprint strike at wapping, where no one became the victors, oh and yes there were even strikes by the haulage industry including the petroleum workers, so what really works, well for starters you need lots of support ( members ) as at least it holds some clout, as at the end of the negotiations you had the right to strike…not anymore…so where does that lead…well I admire anyone who wants to improve this industry, to get a decent basic wage for everyone, to get proper safe parking, to have a decent rate for the loads being hauled, to have safe passage when on international journeys ( calais for eg ) but unfortunately they wont get the support they need, drivers are not like they used to be, they want everyone else to fight, whilst they get the benefits without joining in the fight, its a dog eat dog world where the fittest survive, and if they got the support to start the fight, theres plenty who wont join in, meaning theres lots of cover for those who want to stand by 45 gallon drums burning old pallets.
I`ve been fighting a one man war for the best part of 50 years, lost many jobs because of my big mouth, but all because i wont take crap from anyone, but there are thousands of drivers out there who will take the crap, and continue taking the crap, because they want to, rather than fight a just cause.
I do more often than not tend to take what you say on here as right, …old habits die hard, even though I have a few driving yrs myself under my belt, since I was a newbie I have always listened, respected, and took on board what guys with more experience than me say.
Unlike a lot on here!!!
(Don’t be running away with the idea that you are my hero btw. )
Everything you have said there is correct TB, I share your sentiments about not taking undeserved crap as I am just like you (only younger ) on that point.
I think you are getting this scheme mixed up with a Trade Union, it is not. It is an excercise in making the perpetrators of crap thrown at us, fully aware that we have a voice, (well as far as I can gather anway, as I am not a spokesman for them by any means.)
It has all been said about whether it is a goer, or if it will work, but as I see it, it’s better than sitting on your arse doing ■■■■ all.
Assuming this Barrie guy IS genuine of course…, which is also part of the punt.
I have not set my a/c up yet with Xmas etc, but I fully intend to before I start back in. As I have said, it is the price of a few pints, if it IS a rip off,… ok call me a mug, I will take it on the chin…just leave it dipperdave btw
Well said Rob, a bit sad i cannot be your hero, but beggars cant be choosers…ha ha I know barrie quite well, but not personally, and he does have drivers at heart, like myself, this industry needs a voice and he has started the ball rolling by creating this scheme, but it needs the support of drivers to get it off the ground, its not a rip off or a means to make him money to retire on but i for one would love to see a drivers Union where the masses can and would make a difference. There are of course many greivences in the industry that need changing, rules and regulations, facilities, and of course the way the public see us, bosses need to change too with their sometimes ridiculous work loads, the parking facilities need to be secure, drivers need to feel safe and be safe, loads need to be made more secure prior to loading, rather than a piece of household shrink wrap, wood and plastic is better than what we have. Of course the government needs to play a bigger part, with the extra facilities we need, we have hundreds more trucks on our roads from other countries, they too need decent places to park and as we all know, there is not enough places, and europe is suffering too as i have often struggled to find a place to park and have gone over my hours to find one after searching for over an hour, in and out of various services till i find one, the solutions are not easy, and certainly not free, and need the support of the EU as a whole, in actual fact i have always believed that it is written in the constitution that all member states have to provide facilities for trucks and drivers, but they never foresaw what opening up the borders would create. I wish barrie all the best for this much needed campaign. And have a happy new year Rob.
raymundo:
Judging by some of the attitudes and opinions expressed on here, I think you stand more chance of getting yer arse reamed by the Duke of Edinburgh than getting any form of unity by the modern day trucker !
Is one sure about that?
A pipe dream, there is no such a thing as drivers unity. Heck some here are disrespecting one another for being class 2 drivers instead of 1 - thatts British drivers, let alone Eastern European drivers
Dolph:
A pipe dream, there is no such a thing as drivers unity. Heck some here are disrespecting one another for being class 2 drivers instead of 1 - thatts British drivers, let alone Eastern European drivers
LOL - I think you’re possibly missing the game/joke on that one Dolph.
When I was class 2 and called a VAN driver, I was well aware that this was an attempt to wind me up and make me bite. I didn’t see it as someone disrespecting me, and instead viewed it as banter and motivation for me to get my class 1. I obviously can’t speak for others, but if someone is getting bent out of shape about being called a VAN driver, it probably says more about them than it does the person teasing them for being class 2.
But Agency, now that’s a different matter! 
Dolph:
A pipe dream, there is no such a thing as drivers unity. Heck some here are disrespecting one another for being class 2 drivers instead of 1 - thatts British drivers, let alone Eastern European drivers
I’m assuming that you are not of UK origin Dolph.
I think you misunderstand the Brit sense of humour, it’s called Banter, or a friendly exchange of insults not to be taken seriously.
Although it aint just you, one or two agency drivers on here are too far up their own arses (no names mentioned) and take it too serious
Some of my mates are both agency and Class 2…there I’ve admitted it in public
Edit; Mr Class 1 Cocky beat me to it.
There you go a classic example I EVEN speak to him.
Best not mention there was once Class 3 drivers, even cyclists took the ■■■■ out of those poor buggers.