Drivers Unity - A pipe dream or possible reality?

robroy:

eezeer:

robroy:

Carl Usher:
As you’re so supportive of it all put your money where your mouth is then and sign up with your £25 then post proof here. But you won’t will you because you’re just another one that’s all talk but must still stick your fat beak into every thread, particularly ones that you know nothing about.

:laughing: Firstly I AINT trying to rekindle the spat with Carl as we have come to an agreement on here (to ignore each other :smiley: )

Anyway, I’ve read eezer’s post and being a silent supporter of Barrie in the past, I’m gonna give it a punt.
25quid is neither here nor there in real terms, and being off for next 2 weeks I would maybe just ■■■■ it up against the wall anyway, so here goes.
Anybody else willing or not?

I am in

going by his FB group the numbers are going up - the more in unity then the more chance we all gain, nothing gained is nothing lost!!!

I’m still with you eezer, but truthfully are you Barrie?
Aint got a problem with that btw if you are, and if so good on yer.

No, but I do know hime to be fair.

I think Rik banned him from on here

cartageman:
Hi, Years ago drivers would be called in for casual work, as long as they wanted a lower wage. than the bloke who they were replacing.Then with the take over by BRS we were all treated equally. However there was a lot of cheering at the sell off of BRS and drivers would work excessive hours for a few more shekels. Then came continental and if you saw another English lorry, out came the mug for a cuppa. Then came the rush to be a continental driver and once more jumping over the moon began. URT started to try and get better deals and conditions for all but failed due to drivers doing a bit extra for their employers. Now someone has the bright idea of trying to get drivers together and improve conditions and pay. They’ve got more chance of being struck by lightning.

As I said before it’s maybe a ■■■■■■■ against the wind situation with the way drivers metaphorically take it up the arse…willingly with no resistance :open_mouth: :unamused:
Pay improvements are a non starter here, but even if all the crap about say, for instance…parking, attitude towards drivers (both on the road and while delivering) things like disallowing basic rights like toilet use etc. to name a few were all highlighted, and all this crap was rammed home to the right people, and done so regularly, until they were all sick of hearing about it to the point of listening and acting, is it not worthwhile?

It has got to the point where we expect as a matter of course to be treated like ■■■■ compared to everybody else in other indstries.
To give a less important example of policies in haulage co.s compared to other trades and jobs, …we had our works party last night in a venue that had joint parties with other companies.
There was us, a factory, a car dealership, travel agents, and large hair salon chain.
Guess which one of the parties were the only one where the firm did not pay, but workers did. :neutral_face:

Euro:
Yes. Unity is the strength to get pay and conditions improved. The URTU gives strength to protect drivers from bullying and victimisation. Unionized companies give better pay than non-unionized. The union of the UK has served us well and we have, thanks to membership of the biggest richest market the world has ever seen, the security and strength of the European Union.

I was with you up to the last 8 words.
We get benefits yeh, out of the millions we put in to it, and the thousands we get back out of it.
Too many parasites, leeches and hangers on to the gravy train, but let’s not debate that as it will only attract Carryfast :laughing:

robroy:

cartageman:
Hi, Years ago drivers would be called in for casual work, as long as they wanted a lower wage. than the bloke who they were replacing.Then with the take over by BRS we were all treated equally. However there was a lot of cheering at the sell off of BRS and drivers would work excessive hours for a few more shekels. Then came continental and if you saw another English lorry, out came the mug for a cuppa. Then came the rush to be a continental driver and once more jumping over the moon began. URT started to try and get better deals and conditions for all but failed due to drivers doing a bit extra for their employers. Now someone has the bright idea of trying to get drivers together and improve conditions and pay. They’ve got more chance of being struck by lightning.

As I said before it’s maybe a ■■■■■■■ against the wind situation with the way drivers metaphorically take it up the arse…willingly with no resistance :open_mouth: :unamused:
Pay improvements are a non starter here, but even if all the crap about say, for instance…parking, attitude towards drivers (both on the road and while delivering) things like disallowing basic rights like toilet use etc. to name a few were all highlighted, and all this crap was rammed home to the right people, and done so regularly, until they were all sick of hearing about it to the point of listening and acting, is it not worthwhile?

It has got to the point where we expect as a matter of course to be treated like [zb] compared to everybody else in other indstries.
To give a less important example of policies in haulage co.s compared to other trades and jobs, …we had our works party last night in a venue that had joint parties with other companies.
There was us, a factory, a car dealership, travel agents, and large hair salon chain.
Guess which one of the parties were the only one where the firm did not pay, but workers did. :neutral_face:

Robroy
I like this one line on the statement :arrow_right: Everyone can benefit from a Profession that has Respect.

not been on for a bit but just been reading through some of the 3 pages of riks worst and best and then some say there are no problems :unamused:

Well I’m in! I’ve never been a union man in the past because I got seriously let down while working in the steel industry many many years ago.

This one is new and maybe be the one that works. For £25 and a chance/opportunity it might just work.

As a thought, are ANY of the recognised unions doing anything about the same issues??

I’m sorry but with arguments like this the guy is going to get nowhere…

You can’t claim to want to be treated as proffesionals and not accept that you will be punished as one,can’t have it both ways!
I’d like to think somebody could change things,but it won’t be him unless he seriously looks at the way he puts arguments across,his post above is child like and is going to be taken apart very quickly and leave him looking very exposed.

I’ve signed up. One days “night out” money for a punt on this is worth a shout.

Agree with the he above - he does need to brush up on presenting arguments and picking battles but hopefully a better funded organisation could provide better options to achieve this.

I wish you all the best of luck with this, thats meant too, not in any sarcastic way.

The problems highlighted that often centre around poor pay, poor conditions, excess hours, poor facilities, poor attitude from customers/deliveries etc have only affected me when i’ve worked for non unionised companies.

I hated RDC’s with a passion, they can be OK to work for, indeed KwikSave was my favourite job by far, but delivering to the places is a soul destroying experience, with few honourable exceptions such as my experience at M&S at Lutterworth which was like an oasis in the desert compared to most, but some can be hell to work for too especially if you’re agency, i was threatened with a punch in the mouth by a female of sorts behind the desk in one Northampton supermarket RDC on Brackmills for no good reason whatsoever but what do you do as the agency bod, i did nothing to warrant this by the way apart from leave my phone in the lorry and ask for the keys again so i could retrieve it, but she and her oppo were lounging on the chairs watching the footie near the desk and i disturbed her, but who they going to believe if i complained, we all know the answer to that and it won’t be the new agency troublemaker who would have been blacklisted, that was in 2009 by the way and the company is well thought of as an employer here so maybe it was me after all.

Should i have complained, who knows, probably yes, but recently jacked in the cars and had to get some agency work pronto and looking out for a full time job, and as well all know your reputation can follow you around in good and bad ways.

Thankfully my time spent at such places has been minimal, and because i specialised and got away from general haulage, cars now tanks, i’ve managed to avoid such places with only the odd visits between full time jobs to remind me how dire they are.

My suggestion is, when the conditions of the job are such that you can’t stand it any longer, bide your time find another type of lorry work and get out, when they can’t get supplies, can’t get any drivers to work for them or go in these places, people at the top will start to ask questions…it’ll take a while because people in ivory towers tend to not mix with the low lifes like us who work for them, so they read reports from underlings who (terrified of their non jobs) tell them what they want to hear.
Well sooner or later the excuses don’t pass muster any more when the supermarket RDC aint got no bloody food to send out, so keep it up lads, where the conditions are pish or they treat you like something they stepped in don’t get angry get out.

I get some needle here from certain sarky members cos i do have an admitted Luddite viewpoint, there is good reason for this and not just cos i’m an old ■■■■ with rosy specs, and i aint definately got a big willy to wave either.
When the job required more than just pressing the loud pedal and steering a posh lorry it wasn’t a job for everyone because not everyone could, or wanted to, do it.
When you consistently make the job ever easier, basically chauffering, it makes you ever easier to replace.
Without going into the nitty gritty i’m sure even the most obtuse can see where i’m going.

I know people laugh when we talk about a driver shortage, but there is a shortage a real one of good reliable decent drivers and has been for some time, let these bad companies have all the no hopers those who don’t turn up, go sick and smash all their tackle up when they do turn up, they deserve each other, go out and find jobs where they treat you with respect, they are out there, they don’t advertise they don’t need to and they are always on the lookout for good staff, especially younger good staff as their own workforces are probably ageing, if you land one of these jobs cherish it and do your best to make it last or it will die as so many have and be just another DHwinkkanski contract @ pish money.

So my humble advice is this, find an alternative and this is as good a time as any to do so as the shortage bites and as the older drivers come to the end of their time on the road in the good jobs try to be their replacements.
Tip, you won’t find the best jobs carrying other peoples goods nor with a lorry covered in 22 spotlights and assorted stuff, nothing wrong with any of that of course if its your thing but it may not carry the best pay and conditions you could get for yourselves.

I’ll stay with the T&G myself, despite its faults foibles and hiccups its never done me any harm, and everywhere i’ve worked under T&G membership and recognition the terms have been at the top end of the industry standard, still are where i am now.

Best of luck with this venture anyway those who are joining.

Juddian:
I know people laugh when we talk about a driver shortage

Yes, they do.

In principle i agree if we dont stick together in some form then it wont get any better for us thats for sure but what cant be ignored is that if we want to be treated as professionals we need to act as such in our working practices and the way we portray our self on the road, on a personal not im happy with my remuneration but i find that as with most company’s the terms and conditions are poor in respect of death in service benefits and the like .I think that thats one of the main things in our industry thats very lacking , now that may be because im older when i was younger it was all about the money now other factors come into my consideration so maybe we should join after all the fees not excessive and you never no it might just make a difference in the future we will never no unless we try will we ? I dont think being a militant union will help at all but being an organized body who endeavour to work with employers to improve the industry might just work.

bjd:
In principle i agree if we dont stick together in some form then it wont get any better for us thats for sure but what cant be ignored is that if we want to be treated as professionals we need to act as such in our working practices and he way we portray our self on the road

Too true. We can’t expect help/assistance if we can’t help ourselves.

Carl Usher:

robroy:
you’re just another one that’s all talk but must still stick your fat beak into every thread, particularly ones that you know nothing about.

+1 [emoji106]

SANCHEZ:

Carl Usher:

robroy:
you’re just another one that’s all talk but must still stick your fat beak into every thread, particularly ones that you know nothing about.

+1 [emoji106]

Do us all a ■■■■ favour and do one mate eh. :unamused:

Still on the fence with this so won’t be drinking the Kool-aid just yet.

Eeezer puts some good points forward but sends my shill alarm bell ringing too much as another friend of Barry’s set to profit from this.

Is PDU set up yet as a legit entity for accepting funds or is Barry using another company for this.

Dipper_Dave:
Still on the fence with this so won’t be drinking the Kool-aid just yet.

Eeezer puts some good points forward but sends my shill alarm bell ringing too much as another friend of Barry’s set to profit from this.

Is PDU set up yet as a legit entity for accepting funds or is Barry using another company for this.

yes i think i would like to no the company set up

xichrisxi:
I’m sorry but with arguments like this the guy is going to get nowhere…

You can’t claim to want to be treated as proffesionals and not accept that you will be punished as one,can’t have it both ways!
I’d like to think somebody could change things,but it won’t be him unless he seriously looks at the way he puts arguments across,his post above is child like and is going to be taken apart very quickly and leave him looking very exposed.

+1
I disagree with Bazzas opinion on this as well. Its no good preaching for unity and appointing oneself as a spokesman for others when the whole remit of PDU is a voice for drivers and us all to be treated better and more professionally.

Being a professional driver should carry added accountability its also a nice juxtaposition (ive been wanting to use that word for ages as it reminds me of the Karma Sutra) when compared to cyclists who have no accountability and a minority or possibly majority cycle accordingly.

Added accountability can mean the difference between driving like a ■■■■ or having second thoughts letting that potential moment of madness disappear whilst one pours a cup of tea.

Seeing Barries coments makes me feel he is just playing to the crowd of steering wheel attendants rather than drivers who take pride in what they do. Now if only I could reverse the bloody things id be ok.

For the uninformed, “eezeer” is the Barrie Tozer. Confirmed in a recent email enquiry.

Carl Usher:
For the uninformed, “eezeer” is the Barrie Tozer. Confirmed in a recent email enquiry.

Just for the record, and being that replies are banned, it never even entered my head that the Sanchez d.head was you. :bulb:
(He knows what I mean if nobody else does btw.)

Carl Usher:
For the uninformed, “eezeer” is the Barrie Tozer. Confirmed in a recent email enquiry.

If this is true and to be honest the ‘ze’ letters had most of us suspicious as well as the cringeworthy gushing about PDU. Then perhaps eezer geezer could confirm or deny.

I do despise shill tactics especially when trying to scam the more gullable amongst us.
Hopefully some proof of eezer being Barrie is available. Even though eezer has denied it once already I struggle to think of any reality where he would openly admit to these dodgy tactics especially now.

So ■■■■■■ eezer are you Barrie as alleged.

Why is it that when someone endeavours to speek up and try to improve things with a lot of personnel effort i would imagine ! all people want to do is knock them if this movement gets off the ground surely it can only have a positive out come for the industry in general we all moan and ■■■■■ about the industry nows your chance to join something that could make a difference it wont be a quick fix but Rome wasent built in day it will take time and it wont happen over night but the way to show any kind of strength is in the numbers who support it