dri-diddly-iver:
A lot of people knock Barry but at least he is trying to do something rather than nothing! I know him personally and he is a decent type of bloke. He is trying to get the best for us but gets little backup. Ok some of his points and sometimes his attitude doesn’t help but at least he’s trying - credit where it’s due surely
So therefore I have no option but to consider your post is based on being pencilled in as one of his directors and therefore likely to profit from this poorly thought out ponzi scheme.
Well not a pure ponzi as theres no incentive to introduce new members thus making the purpose to join just to trap others into doing the same etc etc etc… Maybe that comes later.
There are very few decent blokes in the world when financial gain is on the table, this whole scheme is destined to fail as Barry of all people should realise that drivers of all professions have the poorest record for cohesion.
However one man can make a difference, one voice in the darkness that whispers about change can turn into a deafening shout with enough support from others. So not to ■■■ ■■■ this PDU club totally perhaps not charging to join from the outset would be better as a business model moving forward to grow the membership.
I personally think there should be a regulated wage for this job (would be difficult to assess) but a driver with 20+ years experience should be earning more than a newbie.
I personally dont agree, we already have trial periods but experience and skill do not always go hand in hand. Sure it would be nice if experience counted for something but this is left to the individual to negotiate a better rate.
I fail to see how what Barry is trying to do is any better than the corrupt unions we have today clinging on to their excistence by their eyebrows.
Perhaps Barry is a member here at a place that is no doubt one of the UK’s biggest online recruitment spots for his scheme and he would like to discuss why he feels the best way to start a club is to charge for membership from the get go.
So as a wise man once said I wouldnt join any club that would accept me as a member and especially not one that expected me to pay for the privelidge.
dri-diddly-iver:
A lot of people knock Barry but at least he is trying to do something rather than nothing! I know him personally and he is a decent type of bloke. He is trying to get the best for us but gets little backup. Ok some of his points and sometimes his attitude doesn’t help but at least he’s trying - credit where it’s due surely?
Other drivers unions don’t seem to do much really in my opinion. It appears that the majority of drivers are happy/contented/settled in their current position and aren’t concerned about other drivers.
All well and good until something happens then they bleat on about unions and unity
I personally think there should be a regulated wage for this job (would be difficult to assess) but a driver with 20+ years experience should be earning more than a newbie.
I think Barry Tozer deserves a chance and with a little backing he may, just may achieve the ‘ideal world’, unless he gets the chance we will never know. It doesn’t cost anything to support him and see what ensues! He can only act on the responses.
Barry Tozer has had thousands of chances. He’s blown every single one of them and alienated the very people he needed on board to ensure the success of these ventures. This latest debacle will be no different and I will guarantee that.
Dear oh dear There you go again mate, predictably knocking somebody, (in your inimitable opinionated way) who is prepared to metaphorically get of his arse and have a go at something.
I don’t know the guy personally, but he comes across as someone who is constantly trying to come up with ideas to improve the lot of the average driver.
I know given the choice of having somebody in my corner who I would have backing me.
Either a much varied experienced driver, who is prepared to constantly ‘have a go’ to help others.
Or
A guy that just sits there wallowing in his own mediocrity, but at the same time criticising people that do actually try something, while doing nothing more remarkable himself in life than his famous …shop deliveries.
Now let me think.
As you’re so supportive of it all put your money where your mouth is then and sign up with your £25 then post proof here. But you won’t will you because you’re just another one that’s all talk but must still stick your fat beak into every thread, particularly ones that you know nothing about.
dri-diddly-iver:
A lot of people knock Barry but at least he is trying to do something rather than nothing! I know him personally and he is a decent type of bloke. He is trying to get the best for us but gets little backup. Ok some of his points and sometimes his attitude doesn’t help but at least he’s trying - credit where it’s due surely
So therefore I have no option but to consider your post is based on being pencilled in as one of his directors and therefore likely to profit from this poorly thought out ponzi scheme.
Well not a pure ponzi as theres no incentive to introduce new members thus making the purpose to join just to trap others into doing the same etc etc etc… Maybe that comes later.
There are very few decent blokes in the world when financial gain is on the table, this whole scheme is destined to fail as Barry of all people should realise that drivers of all professions have the poorest record for cohesion.
However one man can make a difference, one voice in the darkness that whispers about change can turn into a deafening shout with enough support from others. So not to ■■■ ■■■ this PDU club totally perhaps not charging to join from the outset would be better as a business model moving forward to grow the membership.
I personally think there should be a regulated wage for this job (would be difficult to assess) but a driver with 20+ years experience should be earning more than a newbie.
I personally dont agree, we already have trial periods but experience and skill do not always go hand in hand. Sure it would be nice if experience counted for something but this is left to the individual to negotiate a better rate.
I fail to see how what Barry is trying to do is any better than the corrupt unions we have today clinging on to their excistence by their eyebrows.
Perhaps Barry is a member here at a place that is no doubt one of the UK’s biggest online recruitment spots for his scheme and he would like to discuss why he feels the best way to start a club is to charge for membership from the get go.
So as a wise man once said I wouldnt join any club that would accept me as a member and especially not one that expected me to pay for the privelidge.
Agree. But got to raise that £50k for ID cards and window stickers somehow!
dri-diddly-iver:
A lot of people knock Barry but at least he is trying to do something rather than nothing! I know him personally and he is a decent type of bloke. He is trying to get the best for us but gets little backup. Ok some of his points and sometimes his attitude doesn’t help but at least he’s trying - credit where it’s due surely?
Other drivers unions don’t seem to do much really in my opinion. It appears that the majority of drivers are happy/contented/settled in their current position and aren’t concerned about other drivers.
All well and good until something happens then they bleat on about unions and unity
I personally think there should be a regulated wage for this job (would be difficult to assess) but a driver with 20+ years experience should be earning more than a newbie.
I think Barry Tozer deserves a chance and with a little backing he may, just may achieve the ‘ideal world’, unless he gets the chance we will never know. It doesn’t cost anything to support him and see what ensues! He can only act on the responses.
Barry Tozer has had thousands of chances. He’s blown every single one of them and alienated the very people he needed on board to ensure the success of these ventures. This latest debacle will be no different and I will guarantee that.
Dear oh dear There you go again mate, predictably knocking somebody, (in your inimitable opinionated way) who is prepared to metaphorically get of his arse and have a go at something.
I don’t know the guy personally, but he comes across as someone who is constantly trying to come up with ideas to improve the lot of the average driver.
I know given the choice of having somebody in my corner who I would have backing me.
Either a much varied experienced driver, who is prepared to constantly ‘have a go’ to help others.
Or
A guy that just sits there wallowing in his own mediocrity, but at the same time criticising people that do actually try something, while doing nothing more remarkable himself in life than his famous …shop deliveries.
Now let me think.
As you’re so supportive of it all put your money where your mouth is then and sign up with your £25 then post proof here. But you won’t will you because you’re just another one that’s all talk but must still stick your fat beak into every thread, particularly ones that you know nothing about.
Truth hurts eh?
Quite evidently by your usual tactic of resorting to child like insults when you are unable to construct a relevant point, …which only has the result of making you look a bit of a twit to be quite honest mate.
If you answer and quote posts you really should read them first.
I’ve looked back and no…I still can’t see where I said I supported the scheme.
What I did say is that I admire this Barrie guy for at least trying to better things, albeit against the odds.
Hope that clarifies my position for you, have a nice day. x
Just sussed you Mr Usher who you are
PM on way.
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EDIT:…Ok I will have to reply to your points to me on here then,… (seeing as you have a newly disabled inbox. )
I hand you an olive branch and you break it over my head
fair enough mate, please yourself.
I could not give a ■■■■ what you think of my posts,. If I felt like you say you do about the forum, I couldn’t be arsed to come on here.
So if I have ■■■■■■ you with past replies to you, then don’t chuck beligerant posts at me.
One of us has to be the better man, so I’ll just say best wishes to you, no hard feelings, but let’s just agree to ignore each other on here in future.
Raymundo is correct is saying drivers do not stick together, they give it the large one in waiting rooms, look at me, i am a hard nut in my hiviz , which i wear all day and night, shouting loudly about the trips to the Middle East, when challenged on geography, they go silent, knowing they have been rumbled and made to look a fool.
Then the hogwash of serving in the SAS or some other trumped up regiment.Then the rigid or artic driver that says he has only got one pallet to come off and wants the go in front of 13 lorries waiting to tip.
dri-diddly-iver:
A lot of people knock Barry but at least he is trying to do something rather than nothing! I know him personally and he is a decent type of bloke. He is trying to get the best for us but gets little backup. Ok some of his points and sometimes his attitude doesn’t help but at least he’s trying - credit where it’s due surely?
Other drivers unions don’t seem to do much really in my opinion. It appears that the majority of drivers are happy/contented/settled in their current position and aren’t concerned about other drivers.
All well and good until something happens then they bleat on about unions and unity
I personally think there should be a regulated wage for this job (would be difficult to assess) but a driver with 20+ years experience should be earning more than a newbie.
I think Barry Tozer deserves a chance and with a little backing he may, just may achieve the ‘ideal world’, unless he gets the chance we will never know. It doesn’t cost anything to support him and see what ensues! He can only act on the responses.
If you know him is he aware of some of the hostility on here.
Website offline so perhaps he has been viewing this thread, the join page never worked.
Pity really as I still have to investigate what company this is being run through.
Dipper_Dave:
Website offline so perhaps he has been viewing this thread, the join page never worked.
Pity really as I still have to investigate what company this is being run through.
Wouldn’t be against the general idea in principle, but with a back-of-■■■-packet website like that, NOBODY is going to take this guy seriously. I’m out
Maybe his post here is right:-
While UK Truckers continue to sit on the fence and do sod all about the issues nothing will ever change.
I cannot blame anyone for thinking complaining is a lost cause because no one listens, BECAUSE THEY DON’T
No one listens to one driver and your complaints and moans are simply ignored.
1000s of drivers working together to tackle the issues, then someone will listen and then we can negotiate change for the better.
It can only be done if you support the PDU, join it and lets together sort out the problems and issues.
Stop simply accepting all the crap and do something about it.
OK, it cost £25 to join the unity, less than a cup of tea a week to sort things out. It pays for someone to write all the letters then attend all the meetings and work on your behalf to tackle the issues that make your working days harder than they should be.
Just to gain some respect from the Industry is worth it.
If you want changes, if you want unity, if you want respect, and you want a better future join today and do not leave it to others to sort out your issues. Join here:-www.pdu-uk.co.uk/Join.html
Thank you to those that have already joined, your support is welcomed and appreciated.
Just maybe more should give it a chance and give support because as is stated nothing will change while yo just moan and do F A
Letter to Companies:-
It has been stated by me that it is an important part of the PDU to work closely with the Industry to bring about change for the better.
My 1st aim is to talk to some of our employers to receive their feedback on the PDU, and also to listen to their issues if any with the Drivers in general and the way the Industry works.
It is hoped that some of them will agree with our issues and give some backing to the PDU aims which will help us move forward to implement the changes.
I would like to meet with a large number of our Employers but this will depend on the funds available for attending them.
My letter below will start to go out in the New Year ( as with all actions of the PDU the membership will be kept informed)
LETTER;- (Laid out properly on headed letter)
Dear Sir/Madam
My name is Barrie Tozer and I am responsible for starting to form a unity of the Professional Drivers in the UK working together as one to try and improve the conditions, facilities and image of Drivers within the UK.
The Professional Drivers Unity – UK (PDU-UK) www.pdu-uk.co.uk I invite you to have a look to realize the reasons for forming this unity.
I might first like to impress to you that we are not a union and as such are not demanding or looking to use any power to enforce changes. Our belief is to communicate and negotiate brings about better results.
It is our aim to try and improve the working conditions of Drivers at Government level and within the Industry and to improve the image of the profession to the wider public.
With these aims it is important to us to work closely with the Industry and the Employers of Drivers in the UK.
There is which has been well established a looming Drivers shortage in the UK and this can only be resolved when the Industry is able to attract more young Drivers into the Industry and the conditions and career opportunity play a vital role. Drivers have always been the major force in attracting by recommendation to those outside the Industry, but can also be the force in not recommending and pushing young personnel into other career paths.
The PDU-UK along with Drivers in the UK recognize the issues and problems within our working days more at an Industry and Government level rather than Employer level and this will be our main aim, but it is also vital that our Employers give Drivers the respect deserved and although many do there are some that fail their employee’s.
I would like to request a meeting with you at your convenience to discuss the aims of the PDU-UK and your considerations on how the Industry might improve to ensure Drivers receive the better conditions and Employers improve their role in respecting them.
Communication is vital between Drivers and the Industry if all within want to continue to improve and keep this economy on the move. In the past communication between the two have failed and I hope the PDU-UK can open this up in the future.
I thank you for your time and hope in the near future we can meet to offer feedback from both our view points.
Your sincerely
Barrie Tozer www.pdu-uk.co.uk
Email: - contact@pdu-uk.co.uk
Every other day we read on here how bad things are and yet all most of you ever do is Sod All ,so maybe he is right in bringing some unity and at least doing something, get of your arses if you can do any better or give it a chance
Carl Usher:
As you’re so supportive of it all put your money where your mouth is then and sign up with your £25 then post proof here. But you won’t will you because you’re just another one that’s all talk but must still stick your fat beak into every thread, particularly ones that you know nothing about.
Firstly I AINT trying to rekindle the spat with Carl as we have come to an agreement on here (to ignore each other )
Anyway, I’ve read eezer’s post and being a silent supporter of Barrie in the past, I’m gonna give it a punt.
25quid is neither here nor there in real terms, and being off for next 2 weeks I would maybe just ■■■■ it up against the wall anyway, so here goes.
Anybody else willing or not?
Carl Usher:
As you’re so supportive of it all put your money where your mouth is then and sign up with your £25 then post proof here. But you won’t will you because you’re just another one that’s all talk but must still stick your fat beak into every thread, particularly ones that you know nothing about.
Firstly I AINT trying to rekindle the spat with Carl as we have come to an agreement on here (to ignore each other )
Anyway, I’ve read eezer’s post and being a silent supporter of Barrie in the past, I’m gonna give it a punt.
25quid is neither here nor there in real terms, and being off for next 2 weeks I would maybe just ■■■■ it up against the wall anyway, so here goes.
Anybody else willing or not?
I am in
going by his FB group the numbers are going up - the more in unity then the more chance we all gain, nothing gained is nothing lost!!!
Carl Usher:
As you’re so supportive of it all put your money where your mouth is then and sign up with your £25 then post proof here. But you won’t will you because you’re just another one that’s all talk but must still stick your fat beak into every thread, particularly ones that you know nothing about.
Firstly I AINT trying to rekindle the spat with Carl as we have come to an agreement on here (to ignore each other )
Anyway, I’ve read eezer’s post and being a silent supporter of Barrie in the past, I’m gonna give it a punt.
25quid is neither here nor there in real terms, and being off for next 2 weeks I would maybe just ■■■■ it up against the wall anyway, so here goes.
Anybody else willing or not?
I am in
going by his FB group the numbers are going up - the more in unity then the more chance we all gain, nothing gained is nothing lost!!!
I’m still with you eezer, but truthfully are you Barrie?
Aint got a problem with that btw if you are, and if so good on yer.
Hi, Years ago drivers would be called in for casual work, as long as they wanted a lower wage. than the bloke who they were replacing.Then with the take over by BRS we were all treated equally. However there was a lot of cheering at the sell off of BRS and drivers would work excessive hours for a few more shekels. Then came continental and if you saw another English lorry, out came the mug for a cuppa. Then came the rush to be a continental driver and once more jumping over the moon began. URT started to try and get better deals and conditions for all but failed due to drivers doing a bit extra for their employers. Now someone has the bright idea of trying to get drivers together and improve conditions and pay. They’ve got more chance of being struck by lightning.
Yes. Unity is the strength to get pay and conditions improved. The URTU gives strength to protect drivers from bullying and victimisation. Unionized companies give better pay than non-unionized. The union of the UK has served us well and we have, thanks to membership of the biggest richest market the world has ever seen, the security and strength of the European Union.
