Morning, another quick question, what are the essential things which are needed on a timesheet apart from the obvious where from and where to, i.e is there a legal need to included space to record POA etc?
Regards
Aaron
Our time sheets are very basic - column for reg/ where you’ve been/ start and finish times.
We do run a more complicated one to satisfy the WTD and tacho hours as we drive a mix a of vans and tacho vehicles, that includes hours driving, POA, work, ferry.
Is this timesheet for your own personal records or is it a company thing?
Its a new timesheet im setting up for the company i work for.
Aaron
name-------- w/e sat-------------
strart fin-----duty hrs----tot/p.oa—t/brk—wtd/hrs–off/use
sun
mon
tues
wed
thurs
fri
sat
total--------82-----------0-----------35-------47-----
ops man sign driv sign
thats what ours is like, no idea what office put .
nb-if we do a o/t shift we high -light it as with working 24/7 it can be difficult for pay dept to work out whats o/t and whats not/also write across top o/t shift fri -----,and high light it.
ady1:
name-------- w/e sat-------------
strart fin-----duty hrs----tot/p.oa—t/brk—wtd/hrs–off/use
sun
mon
tues
wed
thurs
fri
sat
total--------82-----------0-----------35-------47-----ops man sign driv sign
thats what ours is like, no idea what office put .
nb-if we do a o/t shift we high -light it as with working 24/7 it can be difficult for pay dept to work out whats o/t and whats not/also write across top o/t shift fri -----,and high light it.
anyone using this as a record could find themselves falling foul of the regulations as the working week starts at 00.01 mon & finishes at 23.59 sun
( give or take a min) not as shown with week commencing on sunday to saturday
green456:
ady1:
name-------- w/e sat-------------
strart fin-----duty hrs----tot/p.oa—t/brk—wtd/hrs–off/use
sun
mon
tues
wed
thurs
fri
sat
total--------82-----------0-----------35-------47-----ops man sign driv sign
thats what ours is like, no idea what office put .
nb-if we do a o/t shift we high -light it as with working 24/7 it can be difficult for pay dept to work out whats o/t and whats not/also write across top o/t shift fri -----,and high light it.anyone using this as a record could find themselves falling foul of the regulations as the working week starts at 00.01 mon & finishes at 23.59 sun
( give or take a min) not as shown with week commencing on sunday to saturday
well then theres a fair few hundred who have been falling foul of the law for a fair few years then. 
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green456:
ady1:
name-------- w/e sat-------------
strart fin-----duty hrs----tot/p.oa—t/brk—wtd/hrs–off/use
sun
mon
tues
wed
thurs
fri
sat
total--------82-----------0-----------35-------47-----ops man sign driv sign
thats what ours is like, no idea what office put .
nb-if we do a o/t shift we high -light it as with working 24/7 it can be difficult for pay dept to work out whats o/t and whats not/also write across top o/t shift fri -----,and high light it.anyone using this as a record could find themselves falling foul of the regulations as the working week starts at 00.01 mon & finishes at 23.59 sun
( give or take a min) not as shown with week commencing on sunday to saturday
Thats when a fixed week starts, not everyone works a fixed week and there is no reason or scenario where someone could fall foul of anything using it.
not even Tacho regs Mike?
if a driver took 3 reduced rests from mon to fri then restarted work on sunday morn & took another reduced daily rest sun/ mon would this not be 4 in the same week? perhaps i misunderstand the regs but was of the impression that as far as VOSA are concerned the workin week was mon to sun
your views much appreciated
green456:
not even Tacho regs Mike?
if a driver took 3 reduced rests from mon to fri then restarted work on sunday morn & took another reduced daily rest sun/ mon would this not be 4 in the same week? perhaps i misunderstand the regs but was of the impression that as far as VOSA are concerned the workin week was mon to sun
your views much appreciated
I will attempt to answer this query but I am not a regs GURU - geebee45, coffeeholic or tachograph are better than me on this.
A WEEKLY rest period that is in both weeks can be counted for either but not both
There is no such rule for DAILY rest periods
I would ASSUME/GUESS that a DAILY rest period is attatched to the WEEK it starts in but that is only a GUESS
hers another scenario to contemplate fellers
week 1
driver commences work duties on monday and drives in that week for a total of fifty hours between mon & Sat
sunday takes weekly rest period
week 2
driver commences work duties on monday and drives 40 hrs between mon friday
saturday takes weekly rest period
driver recommences work on sunday & logs it on his record as start of a new week & drives 8 hrs
has the driver then not exceeded his fortnightly driving by doing 98 hrs in the 2 weeks commencing monday of first week & finishing sunday
of second week■■?
The fixed driving time week is Mon 0000 to Sun 2400 and any two of those consecutive weeks must not exceed 90 hours of driving time
PS - in your senario it seems that the driver has taken less than 45 hours off on 2 consecutive weekends which, in most (not all) cases is likely to be a no no
not neccesarily Rog as i haven’t stated finishing or starting times just days, he could have still had his full weekly rest but if he records the driving for the sunday at end of second week as the start of a new week as the example shows then has he not driven 98 hrs in a fortnight even tho his records will not show this but analysis of his tacho will??
ROG:
green456:
not even Tacho regs Mike?
if a driver took 3 reduced rests from mon to fri then restarted work on sunday morn & took another reduced daily rest sun/ mon would this not be 4 in the same week? perhaps i misunderstand the regs but was of the impression that as far as VOSA are concerned the workin week was mon to sun
your views much appreciatedI will attempt to answer this query but I am not a regs GURU - geebee45, coffeeholic or tachograph are better than me on this.
A WEEKLY rest period that is in both weeks can be counted for either but not both
There is no such rule for DAILY rest periodsI would ASSUME/GUESS that a DAILY rest period is attatched to the WEEK it starts in but that is only a GUESS
Why would it even matter what week a daily rest was attached to? There are no restrictions on daily rest with regard to the fixed week under EU rules so no reason or occasion to attach a daily rest to any week.
Coffeeholic:
Why would it even matter what week a daily rest was attached to? There are no restrictions on daily rest with regard to the fixed week under EU rules so no reason or occasion to attach a daily rest to any week.
Of course you are correct - DOH!! - reduced daily rests are restricted to 3 between weekly rests - DOH!! 
I thought there were restrictions CH as in you can only reduce it 3 times a week?
green456:
I thought there were restrictions CH as in you can only reduce it 3 times a week?
You can reduce more than that, 6 times is possible. You can reduce 3 times between weekly rest periods
Resume work after a weekly rest period.
Monday 0600 - 2100 = reduced rest
Tuesday 0600 - 2100 = reduced rest
Wednesday 0600 - 2100 = reduced rest
Friday 0600 - 2100 = reduced rest
Saturday 0600 - 2100 = reduced rest
Sunday 0600 - 2100 = reduced rest
Six reduced rest periods in one week and legal. You would not be able to do any more after the Sunday until you had taken another weekly rest period, even though at the end of Sunday you move into a new week.
ROG:
I would ASSUME/GUESS that a DAILY rest period is attatched to the WEEK it starts in but that is only a GUESS
Oh and BTW, you assume wrong. We had a very similar discussion about the extended driving day recently the same as applied there applies here for those regulations were it does still matter.
green456:
anyone using this as a record could find themselves falling foul of the regulations as the working week starts at 00.01 mon & finishes at 23.59 sun
( give or take a min) not as shown with week commencing on sunday to saturday
Doesn’t matter when a timesheet starts of finishes. Incidentally my last two time sheets have both began on a Sunday, last week I had a shift and driving on every one of the seven days from Sunday to Saturday and I then began a new time sheet on Sunday which I will finish when I park up tomorrow. No shift or any driving on Wednesday of this week. I will then start a new time sheet when I start work on Sunday evening. That doesn’t alter how much driving I can do, or have done, in the fixed week and how I have to calculate it to check it.
you dont even need to keep a timesheet, I never said you did, but what you do have to do is count working time on sunday as the last day of the present week/fortnight AND not as the first day of a new week/fortnight