weeto:
You can also record break whilst stationary in traffic also.
Really? How so?
I was always of the belief that in order to take a break you had to be able to freely dispose of your time! I am not sure how you could do that sat in traffic…
Road2ruin:
weeto:
You can also record break whilst stationary in traffic also.Really? How so?
I was always of the belief that in order to take a break you had to be able to freely dispose of your time! I am not sure how you could do that sat in traffic…
You have to be able to freely dispose of the time for a rest period, for a break you only have to be able to use the time exclusively for recuperation, basically if you can sit back and read the paper or whatever you can book a break.
daftvader:
Yep as above…And also the same bs about having a drink.
madmackem:
Apparently this dates back to manual tachos when we had to change the mode switch ourselves.John
I seem to remember all manual tachographs worked in roughly the same way as the digital tachographs introduced in 2006. i.e. the driver selected the appropriate Mode when stood/parked/in a queue or basically stationary. However Driving ‘mode’ was then (prior to 2006) as it is now recorded automatically when the vehicle moved. So, we can choose to select Other Work, Break/Rest or POA only when stationary and as soon as we set off the machinery selects Driving for us.
I think on the very early analogue versions (non-automatic) we could have a Driving mode selected by the driver but these were replaced in the mid to late 1980’s with Automatic tacho heads - it actually said the word Automatic next to a steering wheel symbol in the centre of the head.
tachograph:
Road2ruin:
weeto:
You can also record break whilst stationary in traffic also.Really? How so?
I was always of the belief that in order to take a break you had to be able to freely dispose of your time! I am not sure how you could do that sat in traffic…You have to be able to freely dispose of the time for a rest period, for a break you only have to be able to use the time exclusively for recuperation, basically if you can sit back and read the paper or whatever you can book a break.
I am still unsure how sat in a vehicle in traffic you could say that you were using your time exclusively for recuperation when you must be concentrating on the other vehicles and the possibility you may move! I am sure if you were if you were stuck with the engine off for 15mins at the scene of an accident that may be possible, but traffic!!
daftvader:
Yep as above…And also the same bs about having a drink.
+1
Road2ruin:
I am sure if you were if you were stuck with the engine off for 15mins at the scene of an accident that may be possible, but traffic!!
That’s about the only way I’d do it, to be fair “stationary in traffic” may not have been the best phrase to use.
I lost almost 40 mins driving time after getting stuck in traffic last week. Stop start for about 1 1/2 mile, actual time was more like 15 minutes, but stupid tacho read every stop/go/stop as a minute.
Road2ruin:
tachograph:
Road2ruin:
weeto:
You can also record break whilst stationary in traffic also.Really? How so?
I was always of the belief that in order to take a break you had to be able to freely dispose of your time! I am not sure how you could do that sat in traffic…You have to be able to freely dispose of the time for a rest period, for a break you only have to be able to use the time exclusively for recuperation, basically if you can sit back and read the paper or whatever you can book a break.
I am still unsure how sat in a vehicle in traffic you could say that you were using your time exclusively for recuperation when you must be concentrating on the other vehicles and the possibility you may move! I am sure if you were if you were stuck with the engine off for 15mins at the scene of an accident that may be possible, but traffic!!
Nobody is suggesting that you should book a break if stuck in traffic. By all means if you don’t feel comfortable doing it then don’t. It was merely being pointed out that it is in fact not an offence to do so. It can sometimes make the difference between getting where you plan to be that night or not. I know which option I choose every time.
109LWB:
I lost almost 40 mins driving time after getting stuck in traffic last week. Stop start for about 1 1/2 mile, actual time was more like 15 minutes, but stupid tacho read every stop/go/stop as a minute.
The digitacho tells lies and hence does not keep an accurate check on time spent actually driving as in the post above.
When I drove newer motors and had a digicard I’ve stopped for a quick ■■■■■ (out of the motor) and on checking a printout
later there has been no evidence on the printout of me ever stopping.
I’ve also managed a lightning fast trailer change where the printout has shown no evidence of my stopping.
tango boy:
xichrisxi:
Probably an agency copper you spoke to…Ha Ha [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
I hear that some coppers in Surrey are on zero hours contracts…
axletramp:
109LWB:
I lost almost 40 mins driving time after getting stuck in traffic last week. Stop start for about 1 1/2 mile, actual time was more like 15 minutes, but stupid tacho read every stop/go/stop as a minute.The digitacho tells lies and hence does not keep an accurate check on time spent actually driving as in the post above.
When I drove newer motors and had a digicard I’ve stopped for a quick ■■■■■ (out of the motor) and on checking a printout
later there has been no evidence on the printout of me ever stopping.
I’ve also managed a lightning fast trailer change where the printout has shown no evidence of my stopping.
When the head is downloaded those movements will show up quite a few drivers have been caught out by thinking that they taken 15 minutes by leaving it on break when in traffic or coming off a bay
axletramp:
109LWB:
I lost almost 40 mins driving time after getting stuck in traffic last week. Stop start for about 1 1/2 mile, actual time was more like 15 minutes, but stupid tacho read every stop/go/stop as a minute.The digitacho tells lies and hence does not keep an accurate check on time spent actually driving as in the post above.
When I drove newer motors and had a digicard I’ve stopped for a quick ■■■■■ (out of the motor) and on checking a printout
later there has been no evidence on the printout of me ever stopping.
I’ve also managed a lightning fast trailer change where the printout has shown no evidence of my stopping.
They dont tell lies, they have been update to allow multidrop or stop start traffic. In my scania it is possible to tell a 15 min break while in stop/start traffic.
If you drive less than 20 seconds driving doesn`t record it as a full minute. If you want to move on a break just press rest and it will continue the break.
Handy to pull off the diesel pump after 10 mins and give another driver a chance.
Try it. Good luck
Ive tested mine in the yard first thing. In ■■■■■■■■■■■■, taco on other work… Pull off less than 5 feet and stop for 5 seconds, Pull off again for 5 feet and stop… Tacho shows 2 minutes driving time. Its crazy. Mine is the older style first generation one.
You can easily loose an hour or more if you get caught in a motorway jam and have to keep crawling forward and stopping.
Ive almost mastered the art of never stopping fully, which counts the time more accurately, but its not always possible.
daftvader:
Yep as above…And also the same bs about having a drink.
Unfortunately for some, it’s not always BS.
A Constable may arrest without warrant, any one who:
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Drives or attempts to drive a vehicle whilst unfit through drink or drugs, or exceeds the prescribed limit.
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Is in charge of a vehicle on the public highway, whilst unfit, or over the prescribed limit. (This would include sitting with a provisional license holder)
UNLESS… The driver can prove ( note, not the arresting officer), that there were reasonable grounds to believe they wouldn’t drive whilst unfit. It’s a common belief you’re innocent until proven guilty, but there are several offences where you would be required to prove your innocence.
Now any copper worth his salt would appreciate a driver having a few pints before bed wasn’t intending driving. Especially in his birthday suit, lying in the bunk… 
truckerjimbo:
axletramp:
109LWB:
I lost almost 40 mins driving time after getting stuck in traffic last week. Stop start for about 1 1/2 mile, actual time was more like 15 minutes, but stupid tacho read every stop/go/stop as a minute.The digitacho tells lies and hence does not keep an accurate check on time spent actually driving as in the post above.
When I drove newer motors and had a digicard I’ve stopped for a quick ■■■■■ (out of the motor) and on checking a printout
later there has been no evidence on the printout of me ever stopping.
I’ve also managed a lightning fast trailer change where the printout has shown no evidence of my stopping.They dont tell lies, they have been update to allow multidrop or stop start traffic. In my scania it is possible to tell a 15 min break while in stop/start traffic.
If you drive less than 20 seconds driving doesn`t record it as a full minute. If you want to move on a break just press rest and it will continue the break.
Handy to pull off the diesel pump after 10 mins and give another driver a chance.
Try it. Good luck
The scenarios described in my case were using the older type of digi tachos.
As my current steed is a 51 plate Scania (with which I am very satisfied) I only use wax charts and no longer have a current
digicard so it is most unlikely I will ever be able to experience a later updated one! 
axletramp:
The digitacho tells lies and hence does not keep an accurate check on time spent actually driving as in the post above.
When I drove newer motors and had a digicard I’ve stopped for a quick ■■■■■ (out of the motor) and on checking a printout
later there has been no evidence on the printout of me ever stopping.
I’ve also managed a lightning fast trailer change where the printout has shown no evidence of my stopping.
The data on the card is stored in “calendar minutes”, not the actual duration an activity took.
Each minute can only have a single mode allocated to it, and it’s how the mode which is allocated to each minute is decided which makes the difference.
The earlier head units allocated driving to a minute if the vehicle was moving for 5 seconds of that minute - so a ten second shunt overlapping two minutes could be recorded as two minutes driving.
The newer units use whichever mode was the longest continuous activity in a given minute.
Stoneridge claim that an Exakt Duo could save 45 minutes driving time compared to the original versions of the SE5000.
truckerjimbo:
axletramp:
109LWB:
I lost almost 40 mins driving time after getting stuck in traffic last week. Stop start for about 1 1/2 mile, actual time was more like 15 minutes, but stupid tacho read every stop/go/stop as a minute.The digitacho tells lies and hence does not keep an accurate check on time spent actually driving as in the post above.
When I drove newer motors and had a digicard I’ve stopped for a quick ■■■■■ (out of the motor) and on checking a printout
later there has been no evidence on the printout of me ever stopping.
I’ve also managed a lightning fast trailer change where the printout has shown no evidence of my stopping.They dont tell lies, they have been update to allow multidrop or stop start traffic. In my scania it is possible to tell a 15 min break while in stop/start traffic.
If you drive less than 20 seconds driving doesn`t record it as a full minute. If you want to move on a break just press rest and it will continue the break.
Handy to pull off the diesel pump after 10 mins and give another driver a chance.
Try it. Good luck
Try it if you want to make a donation to VOSA when your head is downloaded it will show up, a friend was pulled on the M62 by the police and this type of break showed up as insufficient £120 later he was allowed to go on his way, several Sawyers have been caught out on this too
Just to add breaks on the diesel pump are another good way to make a donation if for any reason VOSA start to look at you closely one area they can look at is matching diesel transactions to cards
mazzer:
truckerjimbo:
axletramp:
109LWB:
I lost almost 40 mins driving time after getting stuck in traffic last week. Stop start for about 1 1/2 mile, actual time was more like 15 minutes, but stupid tacho read every stop/go/stop as a minute.The digitacho tells lies and hence does not keep an accurate check on time spent actually driving as in the post above.
When I drove newer motors and had a digicard I’ve stopped for a quick ■■■■■ (out of the motor) and on checking a printout
later there has been no evidence on the printout of me ever stopping.
I’ve also managed a lightning fast trailer change where the printout has shown no evidence of my stopping.They dont tell lies, they have been update to allow multidrop or stop start traffic. In my scania it is possible to tell a 15 min break while in stop/start traffic.
If you drive less than 20 seconds driving doesn`t record it as a full minute. If you want to move on a break just press rest and it will continue the break.
Handy to pull off the diesel pump after 10 mins and give another driver a chance.
Try it. Good luck
Try it if you want to make a donation to VOSA when your head is downloaded it will show up, a friend was pulled on the M62 by the police and this type of break showed up as insufficient £120 later he was allowed to go on his way, several Sawyers have been caught out on this too
If it shows up with VOSA, it would show up when your company downloads the head, which it doesn’t, if the tacho says you’ve had a break, you’ve had a break regardless of how it’s been done.
Sounds like your mate got done for insufficient daily/weekly rest, as the offence for lack of break is excessive driving.
Also you are right about on the pump breaks, but never heard of anyone getting done for it in 28 years!
VOSA aren’t as clever as they make out from past experience with them!