Being a prick stupid enough to do that kind of stuff in this day and age is no defence, being spineless pricks into the bargain doing it out of fear of their boss is 10× worse. 
If they had been newly passed naive young boys that would be bad enough, they are not, they’re old enough to know better.
Chuck the book at them and make them an example I say, definitely no sympathy here.
Knobheads of the highest order.
Scary words from the judge and then he suspends the sentences…courts are at fault with their ■■■■■ footing and why no bosses in the dock either?
It’s ridiculous that the company are not being prosecuted, even if it cannot be proved that the company was instructing the drivers to break the law if they was doing any sort of decent driver card/VU analysis they would have to know what was going on, therefore I can see no reason not to prosecute them on the grounds that they were negligent.
acording to the article, the company is no longer trading
TiredAndEmotional:
Scary words from the judge and then he suspends the sentences…courts are at fault with their ■■■■■ footing and why no bosses in the dock either?
Exactly.
It just sends out the wrong message.
They keep their licences, and are basically ‘let off’ to go and drive a truck again…so much for cleaning up the industry’s negative image eh?
This wasn’t being caught out, or inadvertantly going a few minutes over, it was blatant and total disregard for rules designed to prevent accidents.
Anybody today who breaks the rules habitually to keep their jobs should really have a word with themselves,.
They are being played for absolute twunts by their bosses no matter how much pay and/or a bonus they may or may not be getting, and are too blind and stupid to take stock and realise that it does not have to be that way.
Prison sentence for working too hard but you can go out on a Saturday and sink 12 pints of cider and a couple of lines of nose candy then proceed to punch someones lights in and the most you can expect is some community service.
harrawaffa:
Prison sentence for working too hard but you can go out on a Saturday and sink 12 pints of cider and a couple of lines of nose candy then proceed to punch someones lights in and the most you can expect is some community service.
That’s a ■■■■ stupid analogy
We’re SUPPOSED to be professionall ffs. 
Ok, If they had gone out with 12 pts on board after work and punched someone’s lights out, fair do.s, …at least they are not in charge of 44 tonnes and all the potential carnage that can bring in the wrong hands.
Shock horror story- drivers fiddle the tacho… 
robroy:
harrawaffa:
Prison sentence for working too hard but you can go out on a Saturday and sink 12 pints of cider and a couple of lines of nose candy then proceed to punch someones lights in and the most you can expect is some community service.That’s a [zb] stupid analogy
We’re SUPPOSED to be professionall ffs.Ok, If they had gone out with 12 pts on board after work and punched someone’s lights out, fair do.s, …at least they are not in charge of 44 tonnes and all the potential carnage that can bring in the wrong hands.
Victimless crime = prison
Crime where there is a victim = getting off scot free
“Potential” to cause harm = prison
Actual harm = getting off scot free
Surely you can see those punishments don’t quite fit the “crime”
With suspended sentences the courts have sent out the wrong message that its acceptable to drive with no card .
DVSA are not stupid and aware of must get home Friday , if you are ten minutes from the yard, with no time left, are you really going to spend the weekend in the cab which is now illegal in the UK .
For a 45 hour off.
If these drivers had been caught in the Basque, Navara or Catalan regions of Spain, the truck would be locked in a compound.
Telephone number size court deposit to paid where they stop you.
30, 0000 euros or more.
Its pure greed from the employer and the drivers maybe got a cash in hand bonus incentive.
Google Philip Potter, he got off for no experience and killed people.
These morons are experienced drivers .
Plenty of cowboys still around here, look at r&m who do the caravan movements
Crown Court as well 
OK, fair enough they shouldnt have done the deed and deserve punishment of sorts. Take out a bus stop full while bending the rules and that driver should expect everything thats coming to him, most likely 10years but… looks like from the story alone that no puppies mangled or kittens squashed in the process…
harrawaffa:
Prison sentence for working too hard but you can go out on a Saturday and sink 12 pints of cider and a couple of lines of nose candy then proceed to punch someones lights in and the most you can expect is some community service.
No. SUSPENDED sentence for BREAKING THE LAW. And as for drunken scrotes not able to handle their drink, again, you can look to the courts as being at fault.
harrawaffa:
robroy:
harrawaffa:
Prison sentence for working too hard but you can go out on a Saturday and sink 12 pints of cider and a couple of lines of nose candy then proceed to punch someones lights in and the most you can expect is some community service.That’s a [zb] stupid analogy
We’re SUPPOSED to be professionall ffs.Ok, If they had gone out with 12 pts on board after work and punched someone’s lights out, fair do.s, …at least they are not in charge of 44 tonnes and all the potential carnage that can bring in the wrong hands.
Victimless crime = prison
Crime where there is a victim = getting off scot free“Potential” to cause harm = prison
Actual harm = getting off scot freeSurely you can see those punishments don’t quite fit the “crime”
It’s not a victimless crime when a tired driver ploughs into the back of stationary traffic, killing and injuring people…
TiredAndEmotional:
harrawaffa:
robroy:
harrawaffa:
Prison sentence for working too hard but you can go out on a Saturday and sink 12 pints of cider and a couple of lines of nose candy then proceed to punch someones lights in and the most you can expect is some community service.That’s a [zb] stupid analogy
We’re SUPPOSED to be professionall ffs.Ok, If they had gone out with 12 pts on board after work and punched someone’s lights out, fair do.s, …at least they are not in charge of 44 tonnes and all the potential carnage that can bring in the wrong hands.
Victimless crime = prison
Crime where there is a victim = getting off scot free“Potential” to cause harm = prison
Actual harm = getting off scot freeSurely you can see those punishments don’t quite fit the “crime”
It’s not a victimless crime when a tired driver ploughs into the back of stationary traffic, killing and injuring people…
Exactly. Do we have to wait until what inevitably will occur at some point? I am sure some drivers go brain dead, and start to believe that being on time for a delivery is more important than life or death, or their own sanity and health.
Did I read correctly that somebody got six months for using another drivers card? Can’t remember where I read it! Commercial Motor?
Victimless crime = prison
Crime where there is a victim = getting off scot free
“Potential” to cause harm = prison
Actual harm = getting off scot free
Surely you can see those punishments don’t quite fit the “crime”
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It’s not a victimless crime when a tired driver ploughs into the back of stationary traffic, killing and injuring people…
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BUT
…they didnt have any accidents,they didnt squash a bus load of disabled orphans.they didnt slaughter any kittens,puppies or nuns.
theres more likely more accidents caused by being bored and brain dead on the limiter than by being flat to the mat on the wire.
an hour or 2 on the wire isnt exactly overworking if it suits you.
some of my days can end up 36 or 40+ hurs long with a bit of kip on the boat,or tipping.
best working when suits you,and kipping when you want.
they got suspended sentences which is basically getting off scot free as there probably not perpetrators of evil in any other aspect of their life.
all show and no go at the end of the day with the judge looking good for the crown,and the drivers walking out with no penalty.
the companys ceased trading so they would need new jobs anyway.
apart from personally i wouldnt fiddle for the reason id lose my job,id do it to suit me and for the wonga,then well done lads and a good result for you. 
No mention of fines, just suspended sentences…so a slapped wrist …No Driver in this land is forced to drive illegally, its only the drivers decision, and if he does, the book should be thrown at him. I have never been afraid to tell the boss I`m not doing this or that…i always have thought of my licence, and whether a boss would support me financially should i lose it, my mind always tells me NO…which is why i would never do it, i am no angel, but i try my hardest to always stick to the rules and the laws, maybe thats why i have always had a clean licence, one speeding ( 45 in a 40 ) in over 50 years…proud of that i might add.
I didn’t really want to go down the wife/kids/bus load of orphans and puppies route like some have, as it just attracts ridicule.
That ignored, the fact is as I said we are supposed to be pro.s,
Where’s the professionalism when drivers are taking cards out, hiding hours and all the rest of it.
How come they come down on you pretty financially hard for relatively minor infringements, but basically let off with a suspended ‘yellow card’ sentence for blatant disregard and severe ■■■■ taking.
We can work legally 70+ hours, do 90 hours driving in a fortnight…Is that not enough for these guys, and some of you who appear to be bordering on condoning it…get a grip ffs.
The hours should be cut in line with 21st century working conditions, not some idiots finding ways to do even more. 
When I started we were maxing 12.5 hour days, the ■■■■ job has gone backwards.
I aint a n’er do wrong snowflake either by any stretch.
Any method of fiddling there has been (and some that some of you will not know about) I have done in the 80s, but this is 2017 ffs, those days are (or should be) long gone.
The job needs a cleaner image from those days, clowns with Class 1s and guys like these are doing nothing for that.
What’s a false instrument ?