toby1234abc:
The day is streched out to make 7 hours,but in reality,it could all be done in a hour.
Not the one I did on Friday. It lasted over 8 hours including a couple of coffee breaks and a 30 minute lunch break and he was rushing to get it all done toward the end.
toby1234abc:
The day is streched out to make 7 hours,but in reality,it could all be done in a hour.
I doubt very much if it could, and I haven’t done mine, but in reality any course I have ever been on has been prolonged by someone asking random or rather tiresome questions.
JAUPT have to approve the whole course and even they will sit in the classroom to evaluate it for at least 2 hours.
I doubt anyone can challenge the advantage of this particular approved course.
sja.org.uk/sja/training-cour … t-aid.aspx
Who knows, you may even get selected as a first aider at work and paid more money 
moomooland:
Having driven an HGV Class 1 for the last 35 years can someone please explain why on earth i need 5 days training to tell my how to do what i have been doing for 35 years!!!
Because you have been driving for the past 35 years.
Be honest how many days training have you been given with regards to driving in the last 35 years? you maybe an exception to the rule but most drivers pass there test and then drive and that is it no further training at all.
I am a DCPC instructor and when it first come out i thought it was a joke, however since teaching it for the last 2 years i can say it is probably the most satisfying course i have ever taught. Not once has a driver ever left my classroom and has said that was crap i knew all that.
There are far 2 many cowboys out there doing the bear minimum just to tick a box for the drivers and coin the cash in. i also agree there should be a formal test at the end of the day and it should be a pass fail but to be honest if that come in drivers would moan about that.
If the instructor is clever he should be able to keep the class interested and learning all day long. Again not blowing my own trumpet but in 2 years I have only had 1 proper pain in the backside and I stopped that within 20 mins.
This will never go away as it has gone to far down the road, remember buses have been doing this since Sept 2008 and a lot of money has been spent by all.
The comment about first aid someone made I agree with but remember the rules and regs of the road for new drivers would have been covered throughout training and theory tests. so rather than bore them as long as it is job specific then you can pretty much accredit whatever you want to gain your hours.
It is also a clever way of ensuring Transport managers get regular updates as well, as when you do a management CPC then there is no requirement to go back and up date your skills.
Long distance clara:
moomooland:
Having driven an HGV Class 1 for the last 35 years can someone please explain why on earth i need 5 days training to tell my how to do what i have been doing for 35 years!!!Because you have been driving for the past 35 years.
Be honest how many days training have you been given with regards to driving in the last 35 years? you maybe an exception to the rule but most drivers pass there test and then drive and that is it no further training at all.I am a DCPC instructor and when it first come out i thought it was a joke, however since teaching it for the last 2 years i can say it is probably the most satisfying course i have ever taught. Not once has a driver ever left my classroom and has said that was crap i knew all that.
There are far 2 many cowboys out there doing the bear minimum just to tick a box for the drivers and coin the cash in. i also agree there should be a formal test at the end of the day and it should be a pass fail but to be honest if that come in drivers would moan about that.
If the instructor is clever he should be able to keep the class interested and learning all day long. Again not blowing my own trumpet but in 2 years I have only had 1 proper pain in the backside and I stopped that within 20 mins.
This will never go away as it has gone to far down the road, remember buses have been doing this since Sept 2008 and a lot of money has been spent by all.
The comment about first aid someone made I agree with but remember the rules and regs of the road for new drivers would have been covered throughout training and theory tests. so rather than bore them as long as it is job specific then you can pretty much accredit whatever you want to gain your hours.
It is also a clever way of ensuring Transport managers get regular updates as well, as when you do a management CPC then there is no requirement to go back and up date your skills.
Welcome to Trucknet LD Clara. Can I ask you about your experience in the industry, before DCPC and JAUPT?
I have done 2 days of the DCPC and could honestly say that I have learned as much from browsing this forum.There needs to be serious changes to the DCPC to make it fit for purpose.
Long distance clara:
moomooland:
Having driven an HGV Class 1 for the last 35 years can someone please explain why on earth i need 5 days training to tell my how to do what i have been doing for 35 years!!!Because you have been driving for the past 35 years.
Be honest how many days training have you been given with regards to driving in the last 35 years? you maybe an exception to the rule but most drivers pass there test and then drive and that is it no further training at all
Its called 35 years PRACTICAL EXPERIANCE something these so called instructors can only dream about and the first thing a transport manager asks for!
A 35 hour theory course is an absolute joke to drivers who have done the job most if not all of their working life.
Its like sending David Cameron back to primary school for a week to learn basic English.
Can you teach me to drive an ERF with a spicer 10 speed splitter box or how to reverse blind side into a narrow street or how to load and unload a double deck trailer or how to reverse a draw bar trailer on to a loading bay? the list goes on!
As a DCPC instructor your obviously going to blow your own trumpet and promote this ridiculous piece of legislation other wise you would be out of a job.
Every driver i have spoken to who has attended the first 14 hours says it is a complete waste of time and resources and could have been completed in a couple of hours at the very most.
The most annoying part of this ridiculous situation is that the whole idea will have been thought up by just one sorry Brussels’ bureaucrat who has never been behind the wheel of a HGV in his or her life.
The government needs to SCRAP IT NOW!
What Moomooland said !
Quality posting on this thread! 
The arrogance of a Dcpc trainer to downplay a drivers experience over 35 years is breathtaking!
These are the people we are expected to spend 35 hours or more with in a classroom! 
Dcpc is a TAX to pay for otherwise unemployable people as trainers! Simple fact! 
Long distance clara:
moomooland:
Having driven an HGV Class 1 for the last 35 years can someone please explain why on earth i need 5 days training to tell my how to do what i have been doing for 35 years!!!Because you have been driving for the past 35 years.
Be honest how many days training have you been given with regards to driving in the last 35 years? you maybe an exception to the rule but most drivers pass there test and then drive and that is it no further training at all.I am a DCPC instructor and when it first come out i thought it was a joke, however since teaching it for the last 2 years i can say it is probably the most satisfying course i have ever taught. Not once has a driver ever left my classroom and has said that was crap i knew all that.
There are far 2 many cowboys out there doing the bear minimum just to tick a box for the drivers and coin the cash in. i also agree there should be a formal test at the end of the day and it should be a pass fail but to be honest if that come in drivers would moan about that.
If the instructor is clever he should be able to keep the class interested and learning all day long. Again not blowing my own trumpet but in 2 years I have only had 1 proper pain in the backside and I stopped that within 20 mins.
This will never go away as it has gone to far down the road, remember buses have been doing this since Sept 2008 and a lot of money has been spent by all.
The comment about first aid someone made I agree with but remember the rules and regs of the road for new drivers would have been covered throughout training and theory tests. so rather than bore them as long as it is job specific then you can pretty much accredit whatever you want to gain your hours.
It is also a clever way of ensuring Transport managers get regular updates as well, as when you do a management CPC then there is no requirement to go back and up date your skills.
This shows what you actually KNOW about the industry. The job is hard enough at the moment, there are enough rules and regulations to make you wanna top yourself, fuel is at an all time high, insurance scams are on the increase, I could go on. Apart from some of the very big outfits, you’d be very hard pushed to find any Haulier is “coining it in.” Your assumption that hauliers are doing the bare minimum, may well be correct, for some, keeping just inside the law is the only way they can continue trading for now, however it is an extremely arrogant view to take.
Just as I pointed out to one of our esteemed colleagues from the HA the other day, you don’t need to come on here telling us what a great service you provide, when all you are doing is spouting off some old ■■■■■■■■ that your organisation’s propaganda dept has turned out, just to justify YOUR existence. You might think you’re providing a wonderful service to us, but really we are just tolerating you because we have no choice.
Incredible 
Great post! Mr Happy!
Long distance clara:
The comment about first aid someone made I agree with but remember the rules and regs of the road for new drivers would have been covered throughout training and theory tests. so rather than bore them as long as it is job specific then you can pretty much accredit whatever you want to gain your hours.It is also a clever way of ensuring Transport managers get regular updates as well, as when you do a management CPC then there is no requirement to go back and up date your skills.
I am intrigued with the last 2 paragraphs in your post.
How many drivers can come straight into this industry knowing even the basics of tachograph law, at this point, they probably haven’t even applied for a digital tachograph card and will certainly have never used 3 different types of VU.
Some rules they should already know but you will be surprised how many new drivers on these forums have to ask the most basic questions that are in the highway code book, things like parking, speed limits and dual carriageways. This should be instilled in them at car level, never mind when trying to gain a provisional C licence.
As for the 35 year plus drivers, they have all come across and used the restraining devices in your little trolley. A more practical exam would be for drivers to build the Load Securing Demonstration Trolley from scratch using the helpful plans from the DSA manufacturer, that would show if they had any common sense
Courtesy of Google & Tockwith Training 
It would be much more use asking the “trainees” to secure 60 of these trolleys to a flat trailer in 45 minutes and then drive 15 miles including an emergency stop and negotiating 2 roundabouts.
However well you may train someone to the standards set by the DCPC, it will never be enough for a driver to enter a chemical or large engineering plant for the first time without an induction, an assessment or further training, so in that respect the DCPC is flawed, very much so.
Your second paragraph mentions that transport managers get regular updates too, well you are correct there is no requirement for an Operator CPC holder to do any refresher training, but a transport manager who doesn’t know the relevant law will soon be an unemployed transport manager.
I took my CPC 25 years ago, it is still valid and I have not had further compulsory training, but I do read the trade press, annual industry manuals that I buy myself, and I have just availed myself of the latest 2011 copy of ADR and DG EAC list.
Why? Because I am still excited by this industry.
I am of the belief that an apathetic driver will not benefit from this forced training, especially if they are paying from their own pockets.
To Long Distance Clara;
The Drivers CPC is not fit for purpose, if you can’t see or understand that then you should not be a trainer.
The one fact that a Good or Bad driver can attend on a course, say absolutely nothing, contribute nothing, be tested on nothing and still complete his hours says it all.
Being a HGV driver is a purely practical occupation which needs a practical form of assessment, ie road testing pure and simple. To drive for DHL at any of the big supermarket RDC involves being
These are real assessments which drivers have to take on a regular basis, they find real faults, the certainly make the drivers think and sweat about, it is a have to pass test not a have to attend day in the classroom.
I’m all for continued learning-the right learning for the job!
No matter how you dress it up, its all about how much money can be made by the people that come up with these ideas and how much it will cost us as drivers.
Wheel Nut:
Long distance clara:
moomooland:
Having driven an HGV Class 1 for the last 35 years can someone please explain why on earth i need 5 days training to tell my how to do what i have been doing for 35 years!!!Because you have been driving for the past 35 years.
Be honest how many days training have you been given with regards to driving in the last 35 years? you maybe an exception to the rule but most drivers pass there test and then drive and that is it no further training at all.I am a DCPC instructor and when it first come out i thought it was a joke, however since teaching it for the last 2 years i can say it is probably the most satisfying course i have ever taught. Not once has a driver ever left my classroom and has said that was crap i knew all that.
There are far 2 many cowboys out there doing the bear minimum just to tick a box for the drivers and coin the cash in. i also agree there should be a formal test at the end of the day and it should be a pass fail but to be honest if that come in drivers would moan about that.
If the instructor is clever he should be able to keep the class interested and learning all day long. Again not blowing my own trumpet but in 2 years I have only had 1 proper pain in the backside and I stopped that within 20 mins.
This will never go away as it has gone to far down the road, remember buses have been doing this since Sept 2008 and a lot of money has been spent by all.
The comment about first aid someone made I agree with but remember the rules and regs of the road for new drivers would have been covered throughout training and theory tests. so rather than bore them as long as it is job specific then you can pretty much accredit whatever you want to gain your hours.
It is also a clever way of ensuring Transport managers get regular updates as well, as when you do a management CPC then there is no requirement to go back and up date your skills.
Welcome to Trucknet LD Clara. Can I ask you about your experience in the industry, before DCPC and JAUPT?
Firstly no offense meant with the 35 year comment it was tongue in cheek that I should have put a 
next to.
As for my experience
I have had 17 years this year. I started driving on a 7.5t flat bed delivering plant and machinery. I have driven for company’s like Tesco, Ikea, Argos,Next, DHL, Perkins engines etc etc.
I have driven flat, box, fridge, wagon and drag, demountable bodies and Lorry loader. ( so I would not do a lesson on say Tankers as this would be wrong). Whilst doing this I studied to get my National CPC, become a DSA driving instructor on Cars and lorry. I am an ITSSAR and RTITB FLT instructor with over 20 certificates. I am a qualified First aid instructor and have been a first aider for 16 years ish. I do more but you get the idea.
I went on the agency when necessary so i could get LIFE experience so I could teach correctly and so I could understand what a driver goes through. As a driver you should understand it is impossible for a trainer to be an expert in every logistical field. This may sound strange but i have never driven a lorry abroad does this make me incompetent to teach?
I would say yes if i was teaching you the rules of driving in a foreign country but not to teach EU drivers hours.
If you think you hate DCPC try being me I have to sit on a course to get mine even though I teach it. I agree the scheme is not great and I would love them to bring in testing.
I am only guessing now but with 35 years experience you on the top of the hill looking down in age as appose to looking up the hill (Don’t shoot me for this statement I put a smiley). In my experience the older generation are more apposed of this than younger drivers as the education system you had was different to today’s. A person under the age of around 35 ish would have been bought up with rules and regs changes all through their school and working life, so this is just something else they have to do.
People like yourself actually annoy me to be honest, you have 35 years experience and are digging out this scheme and some are digging out the instructors. With all this experience why are you not teaching? All your valuable experience is going to retire and die with you, why are you not sharing it?
The original tongue in cheek comment also has an underlying truth. Just because a person has years of experience does not mean they know everything and do everything correct it is a very dangerous person who thinks they can not learn anymore.
To be fair to every member on this board, you all seem to be the drivers who should be on the road, ones who care and show an interest in there trade but believe me you are very few and far between.
Someone made the comment I have limited knowledge of this industry because of my comment on experience, i hope i have cleared that up. I would say reading some of the post and talking to drivers there is a distinct lack of understanding of what the DCPC is all about.
You have moaned about being taught to ■■■■ eggs or being stuck in a classroom or doing the first 2 sessions. DCPC does not have to be classroom based, there is no set sessions and anyone who tells you there is is a liar. If you are a drivers hours guru don’t book a drivers hours course. Find a course that is industry/job specific and sit that course. If you try to look at this in a positive way it is giving you the chance to take courses so that if you want to you can move away from the wheel and diversify around the industry so you can take your experiences with you.
I am not a puppet and just follow organisational propaganda I have my own mind and I like to speak it.
In short what do I think of DCPC, with the correct instructor teaching the correct course it is worth every penny.
With the wrong instructor a complete waste of time. If you feel your instructor was not up to scratch you have the right to complain to his boss or to JAUPT direct. Please do not hold your feelings back for the message board report them as these people are degrading my profession and are making my job harder.
I have nothing to hide and nothing to prove and at the end of each course my candidates get the chance to write a report on me and I tell them to be as honest as they can as if I am selling them short I want to know as I want to improve myself and give the best course I can.
No disrespect is ever meant in any comment I make so again appoligies if some thought there were
Long distance clara:
If you are a drivers hours guru don’t book a drivers hours course.
Where would the fun be in doing that? I have a working knowledge of the hours rules but I’ve heard some of the BS that is taught so I am doing an hours course for sure.
Coffeeholic:
Long distance clara:
If you are a drivers hours guru don’t book a drivers hours course.Where would the fun be in doing that?
Hello mate can you please expand on the BS you are talking about? I am finding this thread very interesting as I also hear a lot of crap that is spouted.
Fair enough but I do think you have mixed up the two of us. Myself and Moomooland. We both have 35 years experience, that is a whole lifetime and there are hundreds of years experience of regular posters on this web forum.
You say you are DSA trained instructor,but DSA instructors only teach someone to pass a test, they do not teach any lifeskills. The driver has to learn that himself after paying you again for another certificate
Anyway you answered my question of sorts so thanks for that
Wheel Nut:
Fair enough but I do think you have mixed up the two of us. Myself and Moomooland. We both have 35 years experience, that is a whole lifetime and there are hundreds of years experience of regular posters on this web forum.You say you are DSA trained instructor,but DSA instructors only teach someone to pass a test, they do not teach any lifeskills. The driver has to learn that himself after paying you again for another certificate
Anyway you answered my question of sorts so thanks for that
I agree with you there but you could say the life skills thing about anything. You probably had ■■■ education at school but did they teach you every position? somethings you just have to learn yourself.
As for mixing you up, i had that many people jump on me i don’t know who is was replying to 
MR Happy when i said “There are far 2 many cowboys out there doing the bear minimum just to tick a box for the drivers and coin the cash in.”
that was aimed at instructors not hauliers. I am well aware of the problems in this industry and fuel costs. How do you think the instructor gets to these sessions? on average as a trainer I will travel somewhere in the region of 500 miles or more in a week. so i know about fuel prices. 