We run a fleet of “support vans” that “turn” drivers coming off boats into NI.
This is to allow driver to start daily rest by not tipping load to get out on boat later that night early next morn.
While a passenger in said van going back to haulage yard can you “manual entry” POA■■?
Big Truck:
We run a fleet of “support vans” that “turn” drivers coming off boats into NI.
This is to allow driver to start daily rest by not tipping load to get out on boat later that night early next morn.While a passenger in said van going back to haulage yard can you “manual entry” POA■■?
It depends on when he is required to begin a daily rest period. But let’s say for argument’s sake he is able to do a 15 hour spread, and he is picked up on 13 hours, he can travel in the van back to the yard upto the end of his shift by manually entering either break, other work, or POA depending on what he is doing.
If he is carrying out other work (i.e. paperwork, or navigating) then he needs to manually enter other work. If he is sleeping and not waiting for a phonecall from the office or anything, then he can manually enter break (but not as part of a daily rest as you cannot take daily rest in a moving vehicle). If he isn’t doing other work, but is expecting further instruction at any particular moment, then POA is appropriate. However, he cannot end his shift on POA or Break, so needs to manually enter at least one minute’s work before he books off for his daily rest.
Why can’t he end his shift on POA? Or even on Break?
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Your cards out, your on your way home, rest period has started. It’s no different to getting on a bus to get home.
biggriffin:
Your cards out, your on your way home, rest period has started. It’s no different to getting on a bus to get home.
He said on the way back to the yard, thats other work/poa depending what he’s doing
Big Truck:
We run a fleet of “support vans” that “turn” drivers coming off boats into NI.
This is to allow driver to start daily rest by not tipping load to get out on boat later that night early next morn.While a passenger in said van going back to haulage yard can you “manual entry” POA■■?
I don’t see why not, he could manually record either POA, break or other work for the time he’s a passenger in the van.
kcrussell25:
biggriffin:
Your cards out, your on your way home, rest period has started. It’s no different to getting on a bus to get home.He said on the way back to the yard, thats other work/poa depending what he’s doing
Or break (which can be taken in a moving vehicle if desired).
And it’s very different to “getting on a bus to go home” as being taken back to the yard is a work related activity and thus should be accounted for. I suspect in a lot of cases if time is tight it won’t be like lol
Big Truck:
We run a fleet of “support vans” that “turn” drivers coming off boats into NI.
This is to allow driver to start daily rest by not tipping load to get out on boat later that night early next morn.While a passenger in said van going back to haulage yard can you “manual entry” POA■■?
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would this be a hypothetical question or did mr vosa see you climbing into the van?
i always thought there were only two options there.
1,your break starts immediately after your shunt off the boat at dfds,
or,
2,your break starts immediately after your shunt off the boat at larne harbour.
i suppose theres an option if you were driving the van back to the yard and being on hours till you get there and then once your there,your booked off at that point to go home?
You got that E-mail as well big truck?
What about this scenario, time off at Gomez, load for tesco belfast, drive over the top and land at the boat, start rest, wait 3 hours for the boat, Press the ferry button on and off the boat (shady area) get turned at the docks in the van and head for home. How are you supposed to record that time as poa you’ve already been stopped for 6 hours and your time is long finished.
The only way I can see this being legal is if the van drops you off at home, then they pick you up for your next shift
youve a max 1 hour for your shunts.
if you were a proper tang,then youd be on the bay in boucher tipping off card and driving the van home from there
with the advantage of getting a handy mega big belfast bap from the van… 
They should open a gap to get to kfc.
Tangi:
They should open a gap to get to kfc.
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would be handy if they did,that way you could get grubbed up,book on the ferry,and get a vosa interrogation all at the same time. 
biggriffin:
Your cards out, your on your way home, rest period has started. It’s no different to getting on a bus to get home.
Except it certainly is different. Time spent travelling to (or returning from) a vehicle that is parked away from the operating base cannot be counted as Daily Rest. Skills Coaches came unstuck with this exact situation a few years ago.
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toonsy:
kcrussell25:
biggriffin:
Your cards out, your on your way home, rest period has started. It’s no different to getting on a bus to get home.He said on the way back to the yard, thats other work/poa depending what he’s doing
Or break (which can be taken in a moving vehicle if desired).
And it’s very different to “getting on a bus to go home” as being taken back to the yard is a work related activity and thus should be accounted for. I suspect in a lot of cases if time is tight it won’t be like lol
Sorry yes break is an option, but not rest. Was the end of a long week typing that this morning 
Tangi:
You got that E-mail as well big truck?What about this scenario, time off at Gomez, load for tesco belfast, drive over the top and land at the boat, start rest, wait 3 hours for the boat, Press the ferry button on and off the boat (shady area) get turned at the docks in the van and head for home. How are you supposed to record that time as poa you’ve already been stopped for 6 hours and your time is long finished.
The only way I can see this being legal is if the van drops you off at home, then they pick you up for your next shift
Yes mate I got txt!!!
Gonna be complete ballix far as I can make out!!!
Coming HH into Dublin not gonna work at all as majority be outta spread coming up road in van so how you gonna manual entry for POA■■?
As for needing to use ferry mode button to get off boat and “turn” either Westbank Rd or Topaz Larne don’t even go there!!! 
Roymondo:
Why can’t he end his shift on POA? Or even on Break?
Because unless you’re nighting out in the truck you’re doing a task that is classed as other work.
biggriffin:
Your cards out, your on your way home, rest period has started. It’s no different to getting on a bus to get home.
This, but no doubt there will be another 3 pages of navel gazing pedantry quoting chapter and verse on various court cases from years ago(yawn)
I remember working with a guy in America who drove for LE Jones. He was infront of the transport cominissioner to do with this as well, and that was in 2008. We will just end up shipping more trailers and time off at hollyhead/cairnryan, wonderful.
biggriffin:
Your cards out, your on your way home, rest period has started. It’s no different to getting on a bus to get home.
The test case was exactly this. The bus was owned by Skills Coaches and they set a legal precedent in the high court.
gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … vers-hours
1.7 Travelling Time.
“Where a vehicle coming within the scope of the EU rules is neither at the driver’s home nor at the employer’s operational centre where the driver is normally based, but is at a separate location, time spent travelling to or from that location to take charge of the vehicle, regardless of the mode of transport, cannot be counted as a rest or break, unless the driver is in a ferry or train and has access to a bunk or couchette. Even if the driver is not paid or makes the decision themselves to travel to or from home/base the travel time cannot be counted as rest or break.”
So, if you`re in a car or minibus or similar, travelling from ferryport, to home or depot, you are NOT on daily rest or break.
And if youre getting off the boat as part of an interrupted daily rest, and going maybe going beyond the total of one hour allowed, even stickier aint it?