look on the bright side big truck.
holyhead is a desolate toilet at the best of times,but you dont need to come over the top,and it has to be 10 times better than a night at cairnryan terminal.
sitting in a van cant be done anyway close to legal.
it would all depend on how flexible your companys attitude is to the definition of knowing and proving,and how you get on with them in regards to that if it suits you to get home midweek along the same lines as a dodgy night out. 
And it’s hardly worthwhile coming home from Dublin anyway, best to take time off over there and wait for a trailer. Next thing wife will have an add in the lonely hearts column!
I always shipped trailers or tank unaccompanied, why ship a unit and driver over to turnaround
Wheel Nut:
I always shipped trailers or tank unaccompanied, why ship a unit and driver over to turnaround
To avoid damage to trailers (especially fridges) by tuggie drivers?
To avoid cabotage regs? NO, I`m not arguing about the likelihood of getting caught, (lack of) enforcement, etc.
Franglais:
Wheel Nut:
I always shipped trailers or tank unaccompanied, why ship a unit and driver over to turnaroundTo avoid damage to trailers (especially fridges) by tuggie drivers?
To avoid cabotage regs? NO, I`m not arguing about the likelihood of getting caught, (lack of) enforcement, etc.
Fair enough answer
The “whole outfit” going over on the boats was to allow the unit to be used by local drivers while the tramper driver took his time off@ home.
The “support vans” were always a “grey area” ref being enforced,
Even had the Garda@ port checkpoint shouting in window of van “youse the Sawyers boys heading up the road? Keep er humming”!!! 
Gonna need a radical rethink on the planning of loads now as the vans ain’t gonna work full stop if we don’t start daily rest til back@ Lurgan.
Gonna be no men finished 11hrs break in time to make 2330/2400 boats OTT nor 0215Dublin!!!
well they cant have their cake and eat it.
either go back to normal running,or legal means legal and it cant be done.
you should be on 1st name terms with every food shop in holyhead by xmas.
it cant be done legal,and like everyone else,sawyers wants them trucks getting paid for which they wont be when they are parked up half the day,hence the only negotiable factor is drivers hours.
the hard part is that you cant just jump in the van when it suits you,and then say no when it dont.
this may help??
Sure it`s do-able legally: if you wanna keep the truck working just put in two drivers. 30hour day instead of 24 to do the job.
To keep the costs down it may be necessary to share one drivers wages between two of em, but thats not a big problem is it? Just take on someone else in the accounts office to keep an eye on everything.
I always thought the Driver Support jobs on Stobart were iffy, you were given a new Astra van to use as your own, until the phone rang, we need you in Bridgewater at 7am tomorrow, [emoji14]
a lot of northern irish work is as follows.
you do a full days work tipping,loading,fuelling up with all the factory delays becoming your problem,then out on a night boat assuming its not been such a bollox that you have to drive over the top instead.
at that point,your coming off the ferry early doors or have driven roud to be in a similar location,do your days work as above in the uk mainland,then back for the ferry in the middle of the night again.
if its holyhead your 3 hours,kip,birkenhead ( which is unlikely) its 8 hours kip if you cab it,or 8 hours in prison with the option of drowning if you go upstairs,or cairnryan with 2 hours in the cab.
your back into ireland along with the milkman,then repeat from the top for your second trip,hence some try to wangle the support van pish.
because of recent persecution by mrs bell and her pals,then most of the usual suspects now have to run on digicards where its obviously a tad more difficult to work to suit yourself,hence they want the cross chanel guys to bring the truck over,then take time off in n.i while letting a local dude do the shunting.
theres lots of meat produce and such with timed deliveries so theres no chance of waiting till your good to go.
if you miss a ferry,your time off goes ■■■■ up as does a decent kip,hence its not unusual for having a "must make boat " button to be standard equipment.
the bigger mobs have the option of turning drivers,or swapping loads,whereas the subbys have t just wangle it to suit and get it done.and if you cant hack it working for a subby,then you wont be flavour of the month and you become useless to them.
if they did the work strictly tesco type legal with tossers stoping 5 mins from the boat cos their times up ect,then it would cost them money to do the work.
if they dont fill up with southern diesel then it would cost them money to do the work.
the rates are depressed to the bone with the only variable being drivers wages and workload.
Conor:
Roymondo:
Why can’t he end his shift on POA? Or even on Break?Because unless you’re nighting out in the truck you’re doing a task that is classed as other work.
What “work” is he doing? He is sitting in the passenger seat of a van while someone else drives it back to the depot (which could be recorded as either POA or Break). On arrival at the depot his duty time finishes and he gets into his car or walks home. At what point is he “doing a task that is classed as other work”?
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Roymondo:
Conor:
Roymondo:
Why can’t he end his shift on POA? Or even on Break?Because unless you’re nighting out in the truck you’re doing a task that is classed as other work.
What “work” is he doing? He is sitting in the passenger seat of a van while someone else drives it back to the depot (which could be recorded as either POA or Break). On arrival at the depot his duty time finishes and he gets into his car or walks home. At what point is he “doing a task that is classed as other work”?
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Post #20.
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“Psss. I’m getting away with murder here… Working 23 hours a day me, and only being paid for 8 hours of it. FFS don’t tell my wife! - She thinks I’m nobbing some fit barmaid somewhere. She didn’t even get suspicious when the pub closed down, mind!”
Franglais:
Post #20.
Which makes no mention of POA…
And even if it did, the assertion I was challenging was that it was fine to manually record POA or Break for the van journey but that for some unexplained reason there was a requirement to show at least a minute of other work at the end of the shift rather than going straight from POA to end of duty.
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possibly the reason may be that if they class pulling your card after b break is other work,then writing a wee story on the bog roll is also other work.
going from thir base to get home is during break time…sitting in the van from the docks heading to the base for an hour or so is other work as you cant freely dispose of your time.
my personal easy choice has always been to pull my card after my shunt off the boat and no worries till it shows the shunt back on again,but that wouldnt be for everyone.
by the time you get back to base in the van,then drive home for a crap,shave and shampoo,eat your scran,back to base,then sit in the van for another hour or so,it dont really leave much time for a kip.
id take the option of lying in the luxurious splendor of the steering wheel hotel parked in bangor and let them ship out the trailer to me.
if your on a daily rate,then every time they make a mistake and either forget to ship it or ship it to cairnryan by mistake,then its a win win for you.
it works like that with dfds as whatever trailer is meant to be there,ends up in the wrong terminal,or is still lying in the docks in n.i more often than not.
Roymondo:
Franglais:
Post #20.Which makes no mention of POA…
And even if it did, the assertion I was challenging was that it was fine to manually record POA or Break for the van journey but that for some unexplained reason there was a requirement to show at least a minute of other work at the end of the shift rather than going straight from POA to end of duty.
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True it makes no mention of PoA but does say the van trip is neither Break nor Rest.
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Franglais:
True it makes no mention of PoA but does say the van trip is neither Break nor Rest.
Which is correct - but only if the driver concerned actually drives the van himself (which is the situation in the example given directly after the paragraph you quoted). In the same document it is specifically stated that Breaks can be taken in moving vehicles provided the driver does no work.
But again that is irrelevant to my question. It was asserted that it was not permissible to go straight from POA to Rest at the end of a shift, and that at least a minute of Other Work must be recorded at the end of the shift.
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I’m the EXAMPLE given the truck driver is the car driver, and that is an example of “other work”. True.
Previously though the Gov site says
Regardless of mode of transport…unless a train or ferry with bunk…cannot be rest or break.
It says it cannot be rest or break and gives an example of it being “other work”.
It infers that a ferry trip with a bunk could be a rest, but a ferry trip without a bunk isn’t. Nothing to do with driving.
(Maybe only Raymundo would qualify as a ferry driver anyhow?) [WHITE SMILING FACE]
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But under Section 1.3 - Breaks and Driving Limits, the same document clearly states “A break is any period during which a driver may not carry out any driving or any other work and which is used exclusively for recuperation. A break may be taken in a moving vehicle, provided no other work is undertaken.”
Not that this has any relevance at all to the claim that you cannot record POA at the end of your shift…
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