corij:
i tell you why iv come to conclusion to stand my ground [and not move over] . Sometimes theres a split second decision to be made , such as the white transit tipper scenario above . its easier in my mind to have a fixed policy ie i dont move over , rather than a “always move over” or wishey washey sometimes I DO- SOMETIMES I DONT policy that risks the safety of those already on the motorway.
its the same as when im walking approaching a pedestrian crossing,i Always hesitate to step out even if it looks clear that an approaching motorist in the ■■■■■■ tipper is slowing down .
‘A fixed policy’? What a ridiculous way to approach driving. If you’re finding you can make split second decisions taking into account your surroundings then I fear driving for a living isn’t for you.
Fixed policy sometimes has merit…
Given that drivers who barrel down slip-roads without accounting for traffic they may or may not encounter at the end are pretty much always impatient inconsiderate twonks…
I have a fixed policy of trying to make it as easy as possible for them to vanish off up the road ahead of me and disappear as possible…
This policy tends to leave me in a safer position than should they end up both behind me and peed off.
corij:
i tell you why iv come to conclusion to stand my ground [and not move over] . Sometimes theres a split second decision to be made , such as the white transit tipper scenario above . its easier in my mind to have a fixed policy ie i dont move over , rather than a “always move over” or wishey washey sometimes I DO- SOMETIMES I DONT policy that risks the safety of those already on the motorway.
its the same as when im walking approaching a pedestrian crossing,i Always hesitate to step out even if it looks clear that an approaching motorist in the ■■■■■■ tipper is slowing down .
‘A fixed policy’? What a ridiculous way to approach driving. If you’re finding you can make split second decisions taking into account your surroundings then I fear driving for a living isn’t for you.
Agreed, perceived right of way does not give you licence to drive like a self righteous arrogant arse.
Your fixed policy as you put it , should be …'‘Even if I have right of way that does not give me the right to ignore and/or exacerbate a potential accident situation, as I am a professional, the car driver is not’
It’s what seperates (Some of) us from them
corij:
i tell you why iv come to conclusion to stand my ground [and not move over] . Sometimes theres a split second decision to be made , such as the white transit tipper scenario above . its easier in my mind to have a fixed policy ie i dont move over , rather than a “always move over” or wishey washey sometimes I DO- SOMETIMES I DONT policy that risks the safety of those already on the motorway.
its the same as when im walking approaching a pedestrian crossing,i Always hesitate to step out even if it looks clear that an approaching motorist in the ■■■■■■ tipper is slowing down .
‘A fixed policy’? What a ridiculous way to approach driving. If you’re finding you cant make split second decisions taking into account your surroundings then I fear driving for a living isn’t for you.
alf1956:
It was just a post stating that in all my 40 odd years of motorway driving i had never experienced somebody actually stopping on a motorway to give way to another vehicle that was entering the motorway.
I had the same thing happen on M621 Leeds one Saturday afternoon about 2008. A blonde in a BMW Mini. As you alf I was able to stop, but her actions still came as a surprise.
I reckon there are a hell of a lot more forum members who adopt a no moving over policy than dare to post (Other than corij).
The problem is that some drivers genuinely think they have a god given right to push into the carriageway and can’t understand why traffic already there hasn’t given way to them!
its come about since we let the migrants in . male migrants in particular drive showing no courtesy,
taxi drivers being the worst . the decent migrants the ones with a sense of honesty stayed back in the mother country-we got the dross
They push in at every opportunity and not only when driving.
occasionally you still see a dyed in the wool Englishman driver,they always acknowledge somebody letting them in [on minor roads] with a wave or flash of the hazards, this makes me smile
You wont see an english driver who passed his test before 1990 gunning down the sliproad hell bent on forcing his way in
noticed the last couple of years a tendency for truckers who when steaming up the motorway as they get close to a sliproad they move over into lane 2 JUST IN CASE somebody happens to come down the sliproad they can slide right in . this practice is all wrong in my opinion its as if the give way sign has been switched over to face the motorway driver
My only fixed policy is to try and avoid the embarrasment of standing at the roadside exchanging details like a muppet.
Whole pages could be written on sliproad etiquet and situations but in the end all that matters is that wherever possible traffic has merged without any big drama and I have done all I can to assist, this may mean defensive actions like a little flash or ease off to help or more aggresive actions where holding station is the best option at the time.
corij:
its come about since we let the migrants in . male migrants in particular drive showing no courtesy,
taxi drivers being the worst . the decent migrants the ones with a sense of honesty stayed back in the mother country-we got the dross
They push in at every opportunity and not only when driving.
occasionally you still see a dyed in the wool Englishman driver,they always acknowledge somebody letting them in [on minor roads] with a wave or flash of the hazards, this makes me smile
You wont see an english driver who passed his test before 1990 gunning down the sliproad hell bent on forcing his way in
bazza123:
The problem is that some drivers genuinely think they have a god given right to push into the carriageway and can’t understand why traffic already there hasn’t given way to them!.
You are right and they are a pain in the arse, but driving like some self appointed right of way enforcer and risking driving over the top of them more than likely killing them because they are stupid aint really the best course of action is it.
corij:
noticed the last couple of years a tendency for truckers who when steaming up the motorway as they get close to a sliproad they move over into lane 2 JUST IN CASE somebody happens to come down the sliproad they can slide right in . this practice is all wrong in my opinion its as if the give way sign has been switched over to face the motorway driver
No it’s more truckers approaching a slip road, seeing traffic coming down it, so pulling over (when safe to do so) to help a fellow trucker or a car to safely join the Motorway.
It aint just the last couple of years either, it has been going on since I started.
It’s what courteous and/ or professional drivers that display both qualities do where as you stick to your …‘fixed policy’
I won’t assist a car or small van on its own to join, for a gaggle of cars I will help if I can without inconveniencing myself too much. For light commercials I’ll help if I reasonably can. For HGV’s I will do all I reasonably and safely can to assist them.
I try hard to avoid braking as this sets up a domino effect causing traffic to come to standstill 2 miles back.
corij:
noticed the last couple of years a tendency for truckers who when steaming up the motorway as they get close to a sliproad they move over into lane 2 JUST IN CASE somebody happens to come down the sliproad they can slide right in . this practice is all wrong in my opinion its as if the give way sign has been switched over to face the motorway driver
This is in fact good practice and is taught in advanced car driving, especially at service on slips where a lot of incidents happen.
corij:
noticed the last couple of years a tendency for truckers who when steaming up the motorway as they get close to a sliproad they move over into lane 2 JUST IN CASE somebody happens to come down the sliproad they can slide right in . this practice is all wrong in my opinion its as if the give way sign has been switched over to face the motorway driver
Its called being courteous to other road users and not being a ■■■ who sees driving as a big ‘THIS IS MY ROAD’ competition. Try it sometime, being kind and helping other road users out makes for a lot less stress
alf1956:
It was just a post stating that in all my 40 odd years of motorway driving i had never experienced somebody actually stopping on a motorway to give way to another vehicle that was entering the motorway.
I had the same thing happen on M621 Leeds one Saturday afternoon about 2008. A blonde in a BMW Mini. As you alf I was able to stop, but her actions still came as a surprise.
It certainly makes you wonder what on earth they are thinking about when they choose to come to a stop on a motorway&bears out my thinking of that every driver should be taught how to drive on the motorways as part of their driving/lessons/test as it is scary to think that many drivers can go straight onto a motorway without any idea of how to drive on their as we all know motorway driving is totally different to driving on normal roads
Driveroneuk:
A blonde in a BMW Mini. As you alf I was able to stop, but her actions still came as a surprise.
A blonde. in a BMW. And her ridiculous actions surprised you? Dear god man,everyone knows that particular combo requires a wide berth. She probably stopped to avoid hitting the tree she could see in the middle of her windscreen
alf1956:
It certainly makes you wonder what on earth they are thinking about when they choose to come to a stop on a motorway&bears out my thinking of that every driver should be taught how to drive on the motorways as part of their driving/lessons/test as it is scary to think that many drivers can go straight onto a motorway without any idea of how to drive on their as we all know motorway driving is totally different to driving on normal roads
Ive always thought this. You can tootle about on lessons,never getting above 40mph on single lane roads,driving a 1 litre Nissan Micra. Pass your test at 10am,and by half 11 you can be in a 2.0 turbo BMW and go onto 3/4/5 lanes of traffic doing 70-80 mph. On your own if your confidence exceeds your ability.
Although I think there is talk of making motorway driving part of the test.
Been talk of putting motorway on the car test many times, won’t happen, way too many test centres too far to get to and from any M-way within the length of the test, never mind drive on it too. And they’ll hardly be building short sections just for test centres to use.
I think they include some DC where feasible, the thinking being “close enough”.
I’ve said before that there should be a 2 tier for of licence and you need to take an additional test to drive on the motorway over here.
It’s just a shame the practicalities of policing it means it will never happen/be effective.
alf1956:
bears out my thinking of that every driver should be taught how to drive on the motorways as part of their driving/lessons/test as it is scary to think that many drivers can go straight onto a motorway without any idea of how to drive on their as we all know motorway driving is totally different to driving on normal roads
DCs are more difficult to use than Motorways - traffic crossing, no hard shoulder, roundabouts (far more often), short on and off slip roads etc. They can use them on the test and whilst learning.
, should be …'‘Even if I have right of way that does not give me the right to ignore and/or exacerbate a potential accident situation, as I am a professional, the car driver is not’
