beetee07:
And before you try and attack I’ve done your job with a very good pass rate .
I would of thought you may be a little more understanding of the training industry
So was it your company or were you an employee also what was the training school called?
Paul 
elmet training:
beetee07:
And before you try and attack I’ve done your job with a very good pass rate .I would of thought you may be a little more understanding of the training industry
So was it your company or were you an employee also what was the training school called?
Paul
for your info I was a self employed instructor for Kent Metro.
But it still doesn’t distract the fact that all you are prepared to do is train to pass a test and not give a bit extra to help new drivers which I did.
But you are prepared to let a company exploit them enough said.
So you can take my opinion which ever way you see fit.
And until people like yourself try and help new drivers nothing will change so I suggest to you you need to change attitudes.
beetee07:
elmet training:
beetee07:
And before you try and attack I’ve done your job with a very good pass rate .I would of thought you may be a little more understanding of the training industry
So was it your company or were you an employee also what was the training school called?
Paul
But it still doesn’t distract the fact that all you are prepared to do is train to pass a test and not give a bit extra to help new drivers which I did.
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Feel free to elaborate on what extra you did.
Paul
As stated, I will provide any extra training that I’m asked for. If it’s something I cant offer eg ADR, I’ll arrange for it to happen. But all these things attract cost which has to be recouped.
It’s a bit like going into a butchers for a joint of beef and moaning that he doesn’t provide roast potatoes and veg to go with it. Provided the candidate has had everything he’s paid for (and often more) then the transaction is ethically correct. If the candidate or his employer requests more, they can have it.
I used to provided training to one local haulier to include the carriage of sheet steel having passed the test. They now have their own in house training as they have grown. But I trained the trainer for them and really can do no more.
As I said previously, it’s down to the employer to provide or arrange provision of job specific training.
And, like Paul, I’m interested to know what the extra was provided by beetee07.
Pete 
I can see what you may be trying to do here and I will just add that if you don’t know what I’m talking about with what I did over and above for my trainees I suggests you take a serious look at your training methods and how you help there’s people.
I’m sure you can’t be that bad as to not be able to work the simplest of thing that make a
lot of difference and helps new drivers.
beetee07:
I can see what you may be trying to do here and I will just add that if you don’t know what I’m talking about with what I did over and above for my trainees I suggests you take a serious look at your training methods and how you help there’s people.I’m sure you can’t be that bad as to not be able to work the simplest of thing that make a
lot of difference and helps new drivers.
Had a test this morning and pass. Trained a LGV mechanic to CE standard so he can take vehicles for test.
Job done nothing else to add apart from sat in garden soaking up the rays.
Paul
Looks like the best place for you
As said before you tran to pass a test enough said.
You can’t really blame trainers for the fact that there are companies who’s rates are low, the simple fact is that as long as there are more drivers than jobs some transport companies will take advantage of the situation.
The fact that companies can get drivers to work for low wages is testament to the myth of a driver shortage, people will take these jobs for a multitude of reasons, some to put food on the table, some to gain experience, some because they’re so moronic that no decent paying company would give them oxygen to breath let alone a job.
I do think that training companies should be wary of pushing these companies as a good way to gain experience though, they may be a way for drivers to gain experience but working for low pay is never going to be a good way of doing it, I think this is an easy trap for trainers to fall into and end up being seen as supporting low rates for drivers when in fact their intention is merely to get their newly qualified drivers working.
I can certainly understand training companies wanting to offer the chance of a job at the end of the training and I see nothing wrong with that, however it would be a wise move to check on what can be offered and be transparent about it.
I believe the best relationship between transport companies and trainers is one where a company will give priority to drivers from a particular training company because they know the training is of a standard the company will have something good to work with 
beetee07:
Looks like the best place for you
No need to be rude but…
Agreed
beetee07:
As said before you tran to pass a test enough said.
How do you know? Have you undertaken training with both of the providers you are accusing of doing the bare minimum?
I haven’t seen a single unhappy customer of either of them on here, and many have been delighted with the services of both.
Anyway, I know it isn’t true; e.g. Peter has in the past offered a morning in an artic after passing in a wag and drag which he wasn’t obliged to do. He also has offered free CPC (either initial or 35 hours).
Unless you can state exactly what they should be doing that you are convinced they are not, it is maybe time to put up or shut up?
Want higher wages and immediate jobs for newbies?? - the answer is so simple … lower the number of people in this country so that there are more jobs than people to fill them - companies will by necessity also be forced to train post test
The other way is to make more jobs but that has already been proven not to work
I can see what you may be trying to do here and I will just add that if you don’t know what I’m talking about with what I did over and above for my trainees I suggests you take a serious look at your training methods and how you help there’s people.
Found it! I know what I do extra. I can string a simple sentence together in English!
Possibly this is why beetee07 talks in past tense when he’s on about being a trainer?
As there is no real answer from him about the extra we are lacking, I suggest that he, too, goes and sits in the garden.
As for me, I’m spending my time planning a new course - - hope I don’t miss anything out!!
Pete
removes tongue from cheek
It is obvious that beetee07 has nothing positive to offer this thread. He claims to be a trainer but if true can only be very new to the industry as he clearly has no idea about what candidates want or need. He can’t say what the extra X factor is because a) there isn’t one and b) he wouldn’t know it if there was one.
Our role in a candidates master plan is to get him/her through the test with the minimum of grief. Our role is not to find work for them although we often do without charge because of our industry contacts.
The only person who can guarantee someone a job is the employer. Not the trainer or examiner or the salesman in the brokers.
As for working for a minimum wage why not. Would it be better to stay on the dole letting the licence collect dust or work building up experience aiming towards those rarer better paid jobs.
Well done Paul for the pass today. I also had 2 first time CE passes in Chelmsford today. Both on our very popular 2 day courses. Train Sunday test Monday.
Peter Smythe:
As there is no real answer from him about the extra we are lacking, I suggest that he, too, goes and sits in the garden.
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To be fair Pete I was trying to tie up my year end accounts but got a little windy,
normally wife’s department.
Paul
LGVTrainer:
It is obvious that beetee07 has nothing positive to offer this thread. He claims to be a trainer but if true can only be very new to the industry as he clearly has no idea about what candidates want or need. He can’t say what the extra X factor is because a) there isn’t one and b) he wouldn’t know it if there was one.Our role in a candidates master plan is to get him/her through the test with the minimum of grief. Our role is not to find work for them although we often do without charge because of our industry contacts.
The only person who can guarantee someone a job is the employer. Not the trainer or examiner or the salesman in the brokers.
As for working for a minimum wage why not. Would it be better to stay on the dole letting the licence collect dust or work building up experience aiming towards those rarer better paid jobs.
Well done Paul for the pass today. I also had 2 first time CE passes in Chelmsford today. Both on our very popular 2 day courses. Train Sunday test Monday.
It’s obvious beetee07 has a problem with me personally although he doesn’t even know me.
He is entitled to his opinion on here, however I found some of his comments laughable.
Al I care about is keeping my customers happy by offering quality training to gain the results which I’m certainly doing. 27 tests this year 27 passes although 2 candidates had a retest a piece.
Never had a complaint in 5 years of training.
I will keep doing what I’m doing as it works.
I suspect my little friend may have another rant.
Paul
Ps well done John on your 2 passes!
Wont mention mine but they’re on the website. Don’t want to start all that - again!!
It is an indisputable fact that all the trainer/contributors to this forum have the candidates’ interests at heart. Yes, we also have to make a profit - but no need to rob folks.
I’m a firm believer in straight forward, no nonsense dealing. It’s what I want and it’s what I give. And I believe that goes for the other trainers as well.
Pete
beetee07:
Newbies please wake up and smell the coffee all the time you except [zb] like this the industry will not move forward only backwards imhi.
“Wake up and smell the coffee”
Let me tell you what the coffee smells like to many new drivers:
A lot of money invested in yourself to provide a standard of living for your family.
A lot of stress in learning to drive and taking the test.
A lot of legwork and rejection to get onto the first rung of the ladder.
Low wages to get your first job and possibly a lot of crap when you do.
Well, let me tell you: We knew all that when we joined.
If you don’t like it the solution is simple. Here it is:
You set up a political part that shares your views.
You stand at an election and get yourself elected to parliament.
You continue finding more people with your viewpoint.
You get them elected too.
You hold a majority and you form a government.
You change social and economic structure of the country.
Shouldn’t be too hard if you really have spotted what is wrong and know the solution, should it?
Or, you come on here a berate anyone who doesn’t share your own viewpoint.
Wake up and smell the ■■■■■■■ coffee indeed.
Shame this thread became so badly distorted and twisted from it’s initial intention of helping new drivers. Marketing ploy or not who cares when in the position of wanting to train to gain an HGV C and/or C+E licence after passing then the quest for a chance to gain experience in a new job.
if Paul is able to help with fulfilling the ultimate need from a newly qualified driver in pointing him or her to a company that is willing to take on inexperienced personnel then this has to be a positive contribution.
To a new C+E HGV driver wages are not the key priority, getting a job to gain a foothold to get experience is. After one has gained enough experience one can always move on to bigger and better opportunities and better wages.
You don’t get the best paying jobs without experience in any industry as a rule.
So I say well done Paul at Elmet Training 
Marketing ploy or not who cares?!
elmet training:
LGVTrainer:
It is obvious that beetee07 has nothing positive to offer this thread. He claims to be a trainer but if true can only be very new to the industry as he clearly has no idea about what candidates want or need. He can’t say what the extra X factor is because a) there isn’t one and b) he wouldn’t know it if there was one.Our role in a candidates master plan is to get him/her through the test with the minimum of grief. Our role is not to find work for them although we often do without charge because of our industry contacts.
The only person who can guarantee someone a job is the employer. Not the trainer or examiner or the salesman in the brokers.
As for working for a minimum wage why not. Would it be better to stay on the dole letting the licence collect dust or work building up experience aiming towards those rarer better paid jobs.
Well done Paul for the pass today. I also had 2 first time CE passes in Chelmsford today. Both on our very popular 2 day courses. Train Sunday test Monday.
It’s obvious beetee07 has a problem with me personally although he doesn’t even know me.
He is entitled to his opinion on here, however I found some of his comments laughable.
Al I care about is keeping my customers happy by offering quality training to gain the results which I’m certainly doing. 27 tests this year 27 passes although 2 candidates had a retest a piece.
Never had a complaint in 5 years of training.
I will keep doing what I’m doing as it works.
That’s me done on this post now although a suspect my little friend may have another rant.
Paul
Ps well done John on your 2 passes!
No I don’t know you but from the way you have behaved on this thread was laughable you are the one who made it look like a marketing ploy not me.
I have had 39 years in the industry and that include teaching I came back on the road because I don’t agree with the way training has gone.
All I was trying to do is stand up for the new drivers as I don’t believe they should be exploited by ANY company paying sub standard wages but reading some of the comments from them they get what they deserve.
Just my opinion but they have done the work to get their licences they should be treated better and not recommend to company’s like you have done.
In my book that puts you in the same vain as them.
I’m glad I’m getting near the end of my driving career as this industry has gone down hill because people will except sub standard conditions.
And to the newbies out there you are worth more keep looking don’t except bad terms and conditions have pride in yourself and your job.
And just as an aside the extra I used to do was find out what type of haulage they wanted to get into and help as much as I could with the knowledge of that branch of industry if I didn’t have that knowledge I’d find a local company and take them in my car to their yard so they could talk to drivers and the company and see how it worked and many of my trainee ended up getting a start with them.
beetee07:
And just as an aside the extra I used to do was find out what type of haulage they wanted to get into and help as much as I could with the knowledge of that branch of industry if I didn’t have that knowledge I’d find a local company and take them in my car to their yard so they could talk to drivers and the company and see how it worked and many of my trainee ended up getting a start with them.
Wow! Certainly went that extra mile, lol
Shame you don’t have knowledge how the training industry works.
By the way I had a email from a new qualified driver a member from truck net who wanted the contact details from the letter I posted, which I duly passed on.
Paul