Stanley Mitchell:
I`ve had “offers” of work at less than £10ph for “LTD” in the East Midlands of late, the rates are well down on three years ago on the work I would want to do, hence my semi retired situation at present
Bloody hell. They’re paying £13/hr for Ltd in Hull and £10/h for PAYE.
muckles:
Being limited to local driving so I can make back to base every night seems [zb] to me.
You have a strange idea of what can be done in a day. I run out of Howden and get up to Lockerbie, down to Portbury, down to London and back on all of those runs in a day.
muckles:
Being limited to local driving so I can make back to base every night seems [zb] to me.
You have a strange idea of what can be done in a day. I run out of Howden and get up to Lockerbie, down to Portbury, down to London and back on all of those runs in a day.
It was a slightly tongue in cheeks reply to Pimpdaddy who seems like a bitter a twisted individual. (probably should have put a smiley on there ).
I did used to do night runs many years back and was amazed how far across the country you could get, but even so I’d rather have a run down to Portugal like have have in a couple of weeks than being limited to what I can return trip in a day.
But like I said before we’re all different, and I accept what I like isn’t what others like and to some it would be their idea of hell.
In my mind, a “night out” would require two shifts paid at 15 hours at either end - assuming you are only taking 9 hours minimum for the said night out.
30 hours paid for two day’s work.
Night out money @ £25 “tax free” is effectively £2.77 per hour otherwise.
Winseer:
In my mind, a “night out” would require two shifts paid at 15 hours at either end - assuming you are only taking 9 hours minimum for the said night out.
30 hours paid for two day’s work.
Night out money @ £25 “tax free” is effectively £2.77 per hour otherwise.
It aint hourly pay though is it.
It was originally called Night out subsistence, or an expense payment for accomodation.
I know you can not get a room for 25 quid apart from a doss house, so in real terms if it had moved with the times should be about £50, but we both know that will not happen.
I tend to look at it as payment for my evening meal and/ or beer money. It does in effect top up your pay, but unlike some I don’t consider it or quote it when discussing actual wages.
muckles:
I did used to do night runs many years back and was amazed how far across the country you could get, but even so I’d rather have a run down to Portugal like have have in a couple of weeks than being limited to what I can return trip in a day.
But like I said before we’re all different, and I accept what I like isn’t what others like and to some it would be their idea of hell.
It is/was possible to combine all the advantages of doing international work without tramping IE international trunking.Which probably provided/s the best of all worlds combination of the right money,time at home and an interesting job.No surprise those types of job were/are never found on agencies and usually a case of dead man’s shoes with an infinite list of hopeful applicants.While more often than not being reserved for our foreign counterparts.
I had to work on Christmas not because I am Yes man, but because was pulling parts for big car manufacturer and the assembly plant does not stop 24/7 365. ? The shift schedule was appointed a month earlier. Sometimes a man got to do what a man got to do is all Im saying, I cant understand this categorical-"I don’t do nights, I don’t do Hollidays"etc. Everyone likes to be home every night but it’s not that easy isn’t it?
Stanley Mitchell:
I`ve had “offers” of work at less than £10ph for “LTD” in the East Midlands of late, the rates are well down on three years ago on the work I would want to do, hence my semi retired situation at present
Bloody hell. They’re paying £13/hr for Ltd in Hull and £10/h for PAYE.
muckles:
Being limited to local driving so I can make back to base every night seems [zb] to me.
You have a strange idea of what can be done in a day. I run out of Howden and get up to Lockerbie, down to Portbury, down to London and back on all of those runs in a day.
That’s not all agencies paying that, just looked on ones website out of 8 jobs 5 pay less than £8.50 for class 1 highest was £12 for weekend work class 2 shop deliveries.
Your day runs are easy trailer swaps done at night try running to them places and doing 4 drops then drive back during the day
Hey vwally, I don’t normally respond to [zb] like you, but maybe I don’t need to earn megabucks.
Maybe I did alright in a previous profession, or perhaps received some inheritance. It is clear to us on here that you have no concept of ‘thinking of a bigger picture’. In fact, the members on here basically ignore you.
Get some friends, go out a bit more, and try and enjoy your life(however sad it is).
eagerbeaver:
Hey vwally, I don’t normally respond to [zb] like you, but maybe I don’t need to earn megabucks.
Maybe I did alright in a previous profession, or perhaps received some inheritance. It is clear to us on here that you have no concept of ‘thinking of a bigger picture’. In fact, the members on here basically ignore you.
Get some friends, go out a bit more, and try and enjoy your life(however sad it is).
If my life is sad, I’d like to take a look at yours. I’m sure it isn’t much better. It could be worse than mine and you think it’s amazing. You often talk about how great it is to drive an HGV, so with that frame of mind; can we really believe a word you say?
What was your previous ‘profession’? Were you an Army soldier?
It’s the thin end of the wedge if you start thinking like that mate.
I know there are a lot of arse crawlers., yes men, and the general spineless types in this job, and they are the ones that get pushed and put on, but it should not stop anybody else, and if they think/know they are in the right.
Of course you can say no ffs.
Another thing, if the thread subject is correct, which I aint convinced, in theory the boot should be on the driver’ s foot.
Btw. E.B. just ignore A1 Wolly and his snippets of wisdom.
I often wonder with all this talk of driver shortages, how many young/new drivers are getting trained up then walking away/giving up on the profession shortly afterwards.
We hear time & time again about newbies fed up with not being able to get proper full time work because of the “two years experience” barrier, stuck doing crap jobs for peanuts on agency. Then theres the whole reality of being shafted for 70 hour weeks, awful shifts, woeful facilities for trampers and being treated like crap which is a reality for so many.
The industry goes on about driver shortages and wanting more new drivers (even campaigning for government help ), but what exactly is it doing to keep hold of these drivers once they’ve qualified? For as long as the going rate is sub-£10ph and hours sky high, this problem will forever continue.
the maoster:
I would imagine that nights out can certainly be [zb]. It all depends on how you take your nights out tbh. We have guys where I work who’ll tell me that nights out are crap and when I ask them where they parked they will say “oh in a layby on the A blah blah blah, or in such and such services” and I say “yeah, they’re crap when you’re an idiot and park in them places”.
The secret is to not run until 9 hours 50 minutes and then look for somewhere to park, find somewhere earlier, park up, go for a walk, find a nice pub, have a meal and a couple of pints and actually talk to strangers! Yeah, scary thought innit? Seriously, nights out are what you make them, if you lack imagination or the bottle to go off the beaten track then they will be dismal and dreary affairs. You get out what you put in.
I’d rather just go home after my days work thanks. You know, like a normal person.
There’s two types of lorry drivers; those who treat it as a job, which is what it is… and those who treat it as a life, which it certainly isn’t.
Sure does, and its only a 35hr week too.[emoji22] I’ve applied twice in the past and never even got past the application process, so I took the hint and didn’t bother my arse trying this time.[emoji3]
probably find they want young class1 newbies who they can train to the standards they want,i took my hazchem 3 [petrol]when I was 30,could not get a job anywhere,i was informed I would not get a full time job because I was too old at 30 yrs,turned out they [petrol companies]wanted 22 to 23 yr olds so they could train them to the way they wanted it done,they said older drivers are set in their ways and would argue, thats was what I was told,dont know if its true or not
Sure does, and its only a 35hr week too.[emoji22] I’ve applied twice in the past and never even got past the application process, so I took the hint and didn’t bother my arse trying this time.[emoji3]
probably find they want young class1 newbies who they can train to the standards they want,i took my hazchem 3 [petrol]when I was 30,could not get a job anywhere,i was informed I would not get a full time job because I was too old at 30 yrs,turned out they [petrol companies]wanted 22 to 23 yr olds so they could train them to the way they wanted it done,they said older drivers are set in their ways and would argue, thats was what I was told,dont know if its true or not
Just one problem with that reasoning “THE 2 YEAR RULE”
Companies really just need to tell the insurance parasites to do one
the maoster:
I would imagine that nights out can certainly be [zb]. It all depends on how you take your nights out tbh. We have guys where I work who’ll tell me that nights out are crap and when I ask them where they parked they will say “oh in a layby on the A blah blah blah, or in such and such services” and I say “yeah, they’re crap when you’re an idiot and park in them places”.
The secret is to not run until 9 hours 50 minutes and then look for somewhere to park, find somewhere earlier, park up, go for a walk, find a nice pub, have a meal and a couple of pints and actually talk to strangers! Yeah, scary thought innit? Seriously, nights out are what you make them, if you lack imagination or the bottle to go off the beaten track then they will be dismal and dreary affairs. You get out what you put in.
I’d rather just go home after my days work thanks. You know, like a normal person.
There’s two types of lorry drivers; those who treat it as a job, which is what it is… and those who treat it as a life, which it certainly isn’t.
+1
The job/life comment probably makes for a good sound bite, but think about it It’ s like comparing apples with pears, similar but completely different.
. If you are a day man, night man, trunker etc yeh it’s a job.
If you are a Euro tramper away for weeks rather than days, or even just UK where you are away all week home wk.ends, well like it or not it is your life, whether you lot agree with that or condone it does not matter a ■■■■, it’s how it is.
One of the reasons why trampers get ■■■■■ about drivers messing up their allocated motor,…it’s their home.
You 100mile radius men have trouble empathising with that view, or understanding.
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), but what exactly is it doing to keep hold of these drivers once they’ve qualified? For as long as the going rate is sub-£10ph and hours sky high, this problem will forever continue.