Mattwoodtransport:
war1974:
your with the wrong agencies then as the minimum I pay for paye on class 1 is £10. that’s most of derby to Nottingham.What agency is yours war?
hi matt,
cant say on a forum ( especially as i give my views on here as this is my own login not a work one 
) pm me mate.
Themoocher:
boredwivdrivin:
War74 pages back says his T&C’s include a company car .
I agree thats a T&C worth having . would probs keep me from swapping jobs .BTW this is another thread thats been ruined by weirdos posting excessive quotations .
And worse people posting excessive quotations out of context .This makes it impossible to follow , if like me u access t’internet via phone .
Please improve
You don’t get a company car for free mate unless it’s like a old yard banger that you use.
Your free tax allowance comes down by 2 or 3 grand a year.
my car costs me £80 a month in tax. i was paying £40 just to insure my old one. so for a tenner a week i have a car where i pay nothing other than fuel, no repair bills (its just had a new turbo at a cost of over £1k, new tyres each one is about £150). so yes for a tenner a week i think its pretty much fine.
as a company we do run eco friendly cars (or diesels i think you will call them).
i did have my own car which was £200 a month payments on top of the insurance, i miss it as it was what i really wanted where i am restricted on my choice of company car.
You are in a tiny minority of truckies war74 .
I think its worth having , and i would if offered !
What gets me is only 1 firm in 20 years has offered bike on ride to work . this is well worth having .
i will only spend £450 on a car but spend £2k to £4k a year on bikes
Btw lWhen i was a ■■■■■■ manny i had a company ‘van’
Didnt pay any tax on that
Altho that is irrelevant to thread
Whatever floats your boat that makes your job is ok for you.
Some people like new cars so being offered a decent sized car with your job might sway it for some, its a bit like uneasy payments without the risk factor or the interest payable or depreciation nagging at you , probably a good bet for the gaffer of a transport company, the chances of the driver pranging it much lower than the typical company car jerk plus if the driver’s away on nights out then the mileage the car covers will be low, it wouldn’t tempt me because i wouldn’t give you a thankyou for a modern car, they all look the same and do nothing at all for me, i likes me simple oldies that i can run for years…but if people would otherwise borrow money to fund their own depreciating asset then the company car is a good perk indeed.
We all have our preferences in how we want to be paid and the benefits we’d prefer, i’m one who compares one job to another by dividing the top line by the number of hours worked (factoring in anti social hours, weekend rates etc), giving a mean average hourly rate, not including night out or expense pay which some insist is part of their wage.
Sick pay is OK but i’ve never missed a day in 40 odd years of work and intend if lucky enough to see me working time out in the same fashion…God willing.
Hourly pay is ok for some, salary is ok if the hours are sensible and the work steady for others, one mans meat etc.
Each to their own, it’s good that there are companies out there thinking laterally.
Juddian:
Whatever floats your boat that makes your job is ok for you.Some people like new cars so being offered a decent sized car with your job might sway it for some, its a bit like uneasy payments without the risk factor or the interest payable or depreciation nagging at you , probably a good bet for the gaffer of a transport company, the chances of the driver pranging it much lower than the typical company car jerk plus if the driver’s away on nights out then the mileage the car covers will be low, it wouldn’t tempt me because i wouldn’t give you a thankyou for a modern car, they all look the same and do nothing at all for me, i likes me simple oldies that i can run for years…but if people would otherwise borrow money to fund their own depreciating asset then the company car is a good perk indeed.
We all have our preferences in how we want to be paid and the benefits we’d prefer, i’m one who compares one job to another by dividing the top line by the number of hours worked (factoring in anti social hours, weekend rates etc), giving a mean average hourly rate, not including night out or expense pay which some insist is part of their wage.
Sick pay is OK but i’ve never missed a day in 40 odd years of work and intend if lucky enough to see me working time out in the same fashion…God willing.
Hourly pay is ok for some, salary is ok if the hours are sensible and the work steady for others, one mans meat etc.Each to their own, it’s good that there are companies out there thinking laterally.
I prefer hourly weekly pay. I don’t think I would go back on a salary.
Nearly all the jobs I see offering a decent salary is companies that know they can get there money worth out you maxed out every week doing every second sat.
I prefer my guaranteed 40 or 45 hours and what I get on top of that is what I do on overtime.
Themoocher:
Juddian:
I prefer hourly weekly pay. I don’t think I would go back on a salary.
Nearly all the jobs I see offering a decent salary is companies that know they can get there money worth out you maxed out every week doing every second sat.I prefer my guaranteed 40 or 45 hours and what I get on top of that is what I do on overtime.
I’m on salary and average a 43 hour week, fair bit of weekend working but 28 days less a year than a normal 5 day week due to shift pattern, works for us cos wifey now a lady of leisure and the weekend work is a doddle.
Agree with you, if the company take the ■■■■ then hours it is, except some companies appear to be going for a single hourly rate whatever the time or day, and the other fiddle which most drivers have accepted without a protest is that overtime is now after an accumulated number of hours, not calculated on a daily basis, something i could never agree to.
Juddian:
Themoocher:
Juddian:
I prefer hourly weekly pay. I don’t think I would go back on a salary.
Nearly all the jobs I see offering a decent salary is companies that know they can get there money worth out you maxed out every week doing every second sat.I prefer my guaranteed 40 or 45 hours and what I get on top of that is what I do on overtime.
I’m on salary and average a 43 hour week, fair bit of weekend working but 28 days less a year than a normal 5 day week due to shift pattern, works for us cos wifey now a lady of leisure and the weekend work is a doddle.
Agree with you, if the company take the ■■■■ then hours it is, except some companies appear to be going for a single hourly rate whatever the time or day, and the other fiddle which most drivers have accepted without a protest is that overtime is now after an accumulated number of hours, not calculated on a daily basis, something i could never agree to.
i know what your saying I work out roughly £10 hour straight through.
I just like my hourly pay on weekly pay n working 5 days mon to fri.
Plus night out money it don’t work out to bad for 5 days.
Think the days on time n half n double bubble are gone unless on old school contract or something todo with construction or goldstar £6ph for first 65hrs then time n half after that is a joke.
Also put my 10 hrs in everyday supposing I work 2 hrs.
Or you would lose your overtime on certain days you worked extra hours.
Shouldn’t matter to the company as most of the time they will be on an minimum day rate.
Juddian:
Agree with you, if the company take the ■■■■ then hours it is, except some companies appear to be going for a single hourly rate whatever the time or day, and the other fiddle which most drivers have accepted without a protest is that overtime is now after an accumulated number of hours, not calculated on a daily basis, something i could never agree to.
Yeh you are right, but it should have been knocked on the head from day 1by the drivers originally.
I don’t agree with it either it’s another ■■■■ take.
, I’m on it but started with the co long after it had been agreed by the original drivers. It’s no good me storming in saying I aint having that, the damage had already been done.
I needed a job so just bit the bullet and tried to make things up in various (legal) ways. 
robroy:
Juddian:
Agree with you, if the company take the ■■■■ then hours it is, except some companies appear to be going for a single hourly rate whatever the time or day, and the other fiddle which most drivers have accepted without a protest is that overtime is now after an accumulated number of hours, not calculated on a daily basis, something i could never agree to.Yeh you are right, but it should have been knocked on the head from day 1by the drivers originally.
I don’t agree with it either it’s another ■■■■ take.
, I’m on it but started with the co long after it had been agreed by the original drivers. It’s no good me storming in saying I aint having that, the damage had already been done.
I needed a job so just bit the bullet and tried to make things up in various (legal) ways.
Yes, lots of ■■■■ got taken during the dark years since about the mid noughties, i was lucky in that until just over 5 years ago i was on a proper car transporter contract (though that had warts too, all contracts do) and i’ve since found my present job on tanks which is totally different but an excellent package, actually earn more per hour worked than on the cars, worth doing your best for IMO.
Now and in the next 5 years is the time for drivers to negotiate back some proper terms and conditions (joining a union and elect someone with a brain and some ■■■■■■■■ who can’t be bought as your shop steward) , if the companies are going to take their fair share of the good new lads as us old buggers drop then its an ideal opportunity for the bright replacements to go only where the best t’s and c’s are to be found as they skill up, forget the bloody lorry or how many lights its got nailed to the headboard.
When the tight arse employers find they can only get dross drivers, they’ll have to think again about what they offer, thats the time to tell them whats what and get things changed.
boredwivdrivin:
this is another thread thats been ruined by weirdos posting excessive quotations .
Yes but it was doing just fine till you started postng under your many different usernames.
boredwivdrivin:
lWhen i was a ■■■■■■ manny
You make this too easy man. It practically writes itself!
boredwivdrivin:
Altho that is irrelevant to thread
Thats never stopped you in the past, why change the habit now?
Yo snowtroll .
I have only 1 username on this site . and i have real trouble keeping up with that , particularly as idjits post page after page of quotation making it hard to read intetresting original comment
My advice would be to report me to the mods who can check IP addresses and ascertain if your allegation is true .
Which they most certainly are not …
…and we all know how huffy puffy you get when proved wrong
boredwivdrivin:
Yo
Yo? The 1990s called. They want their patter back. Do you still go up to people and go “Whasuuuuuuuuuuuuuup?”
boredwivdrivin:
snowtroll
Back on that again are we. Yawn
boredwivdrivin:
I have only 1 username on this site
Yes, so YOU say. But its been well proven on here before your a bit of a liar so you’ll excuse me if no-one takes you at your word
boredwivdrivin:
My advice would be to report me to the mods who can check IP addresses and ascertain if your allegation is true .
Proxy servers. Means you can change your IP so it cant be linked. I use it all the time for my online business. And since you’ve came right out with that suggestion,im gonna go ahead and assume you use one too.
boredwivdrivin:
Which they most certainly are not …
Yes they are,stop embarrassing yourself
boredwivdrivin:
…and we all know how huffy puffy you get when proved wrong
Do we? I dont remember getting all huffy puffy. I remember taking it on the chin and then you going off on one with your predictable insults to cover for the fact I was calling you out and you wanted to by-pass the question (Which was somewhat predictable it has to be said)
The Snowman does not get hot under the collar Boredwivexistin. If he did, his head would fall off and a magpie would pinch one of his Primark button eyes.
What he does is disassemble you, then reassemble you into an even bigger ■■■ than you were in the first place.
Because you are still at school, you are a little bit green, and do not appreciate the subtle art of bellend goading.
Juddian:
Now and in the next 5 years is the time for drivers to negotiate back some proper terms and conditions (joining a union and elect someone with a brain and some ■■■■■■■■ who can’t be bought as your shop steward) , if the companies are going to take their fair share of the good new lads as us old buggers drop then its an ideal opportunity for the bright replacements to go only where the best t’s and c’s are to be found as they skill up, forget the bloody lorry or how many lights its got nailed to the headboard.
When the tight arse employers find they can only get dross drivers, they’ll have to think again about what they offer, thats the time to tell them whats what and get things changed.
Dream on Juddian mate, it will never happen. Just mention the words Union and Shop Steward to some of the younger guys on here, they can not get on fast enough to mention the 70s (that aint an invitation btw Carryfast) and all the ■■■■ that happened then.
Most of todays drivers are used to just sucking it up, taking any old crap and generallly conforming whatever the consequences, just read a lot of threads and posts on here. Solidarity is somewhere between a fantasy and a dirty word to them, so it will not happen unfortunately, despite the golden opportunity you mention.
As for firms employing dross, that has been going on for the last 10 to 15 yrs, I don’t think they actually care anymore to be honest, and they look at getting a good driver as a bonus.
I aint saying all drivers today are like that, but before long if standards of driving and driver calibre keep dropping as they have been, those ■■■■■ will be in the majority.
robroy:
Just mention the words Union and Shop Steward to some of the younger guys on here, they can not get on fast enough to mention the 70s (that aint an invitation btw Carryfast) and all the [zb] that happened then.
/quote]Ironically many of those who weren’t even born let alone working in the day often get their economically suicidal ideas from some of those who were,telling them that the idea of militancy to maintain wage levels and living standards was ‘zb’.
robroy:
Juddian:
Now and in the next 5 years is the time for drivers to negotiate back some proper terms and conditions (joining a union and elect someone with a brain and some ■■■■■■■■ who can’t be bought as your shop steward) , if the companies are going to take their fair share of the good new lads as us old buggers drop then its an ideal opportunity for the bright replacements to go only where the best t’s and c’s are to be found as they skill up, forget the bloody lorry or how many lights its got nailed to the headboard.
When the tight arse employers find they can only get dross drivers, they’ll have to think again about what they offer, thats the time to tell them whats what and get things changed.Dream on Juddian mate, it will never happen. Just mention the words Union and Shop Steward to some of the younger guys on here, they can not get on fast enough to mention the 70s (that aint an invitation btw Carryfast) and all the [zb] that happened then.
Most of todays drivers are used to just sucking it up, taking any old crap and generallly conforming whatever the consequences, just read a lot of threads and posts on here. Solidarity is somewhere between a fantasy and a dirty word to them, so it will not happen unfortunately, despite the golden opportunity you mention.
As for firms employing dross, that has been going on for the last 10 to 15 yrs, I don’t think they actually care anymore to be honest, and they look at getting a good driver as a bonus.
I aint saying all drivers today are like that, but before long if standards of driving and driver calibre keep dropping as they have been, those [zb] will be in the majority.
A lot of new drivers are forced into these contracts though. Its either a zb’y contract or run the gamit on agency. At my place, the contract I got is crap. The pay is crap, the overtime is non-existent, the hours are long and its saleried but its a job. It keeps me out of trouble, it keeps the roof over my head and food on my plate which is something I need to have. Am I going to get that juicy 40 hour week with oddles of overtime straight off the bat? No. Who in their right mind would give a 23 year old with only 6 months of patchy agency experience driving mostly vans and 7.5t a nice big fat contract like that? These new guys are getting sucked in with these bonus’s (like I was) which as you said before hides just how poor the wage is. For the record, my take home basic is £385 before bonus and tax.
Radar19:
robroy:
Juddian:
Now and in the next 5 years is the time for drivers to negotiate back some proper terms and conditions (joining a union and elect someone with a brain and some ■■■■■■■■ who can’t be bought as your shop steward) , if the companies are going to take their fair share of the good new lads as us old buggers drop then its an ideal opportunity for the bright replacements to go only where the best t’s and c’s are to be found as they skill up, forget the bloody lorry or how many lights its got nailed to the headboard.
When the tight arse employers find they can only get dross drivers, they’ll have to think again about what they offer, thats the time to tell them whats what and get things changed.Dream on Juddian mate, it will never happen. Just mention the words Union and Shop Steward to some of the younger guys on here, they can not get on fast enough to mention the 70s (that aint an invitation btw Carryfast) and all the [zb] that happened then.
Most of todays drivers are used to just sucking it up, taking any old crap and generallly conforming whatever the consequences, just read a lot of threads and posts on here. Solidarity is somewhere between a fantasy and a dirty word to them, so it will not happen unfortunately, despite the golden opportunity you mention.
As for firms employing dross, that has been going on for the last 10 to 15 yrs, I don’t think they actually care anymore to be honest, and they look at getting a good driver as a bonus.
I aint saying all drivers today are like that, but before long if standards of driving and driver calibre keep dropping as they have been, those [zb] will be in the majority.A lot of new drivers are forced into these contracts though. Its either a zb’y contract or run the gamit on agency. At my place, the contract I got is crap. The pay is crap, the overtime is non-existent, the hours are long and its saleried but its a job. It keeps me out of trouble, it keeps the roof over my head and food on my plate which is something I need to have. Am I going to get that juicy 40 hour week with oddles of overtime straight off the bat? No. Who in their right mind would give a 23 year old with only 6 months of patchy agency experience driving mostly vans and 7.5t a nice big fat contract like that? These new guys are getting sucked in with these bonus’s (like I was) which as you said before hides just how poor the wage is. For the record, my take home basic is £385 before bonus and tax.
Yes the early years are a sod Radar unless you’re bloody lucky or you have the right connections to open the door for you.
But what you do is learn all you can, skill yourself up so you are top rung compared to the also rans and earn yourself a rock solid non sickie work record and reputation always keeping a beady eye open for that one opportunity, when it presents itself you rip their arms off for it.
I’d had some good jobs in general and bulk around my area for about 12 years before i got me first break, and that was coming off the lorries onto driving vans on nights (paid appreciably more than my previous quite well paid artic work), sometimes you just have to go with your gut feeling and take the chance, there are no fixed career paths as such in this game, you need a bit of lady luck’s blessing too.
Look for specialised work, something that can’t be automated or simplified possibly with some graft and muck and unpleasantries involved, thats where the money is and most likely to stay IMHO.
My place is good, and there seems to be a secret to getting in from my observations about who’s got in and who hasn’t, its being hungry enough, i’m sure other prime employers are the same, if and when they show an interest in you you jump to, if they want a CV its on the gaffers desk just as soon as your little legs can get it there, if they offer you a job even if its not the shift you want you rip their arm off and get your feet under the table, you’ll be able to change shifts at some point later, the important bit is getting the start and proving yourself.
I cannot emphasize this enough, put yourself in the gaffers shoes paying top rates, if the bloke applying for work with you can’t be arsed to jump to it to land the premium job, what’s he going to be like 5 years down the line or when that most important person, the customer (who in the end pays all our wages), needs a bit of bending over backwards to service them?
Here endeth the sermon you didn’t ask for… 
It wouldn’t be right to consider a driver “premium” if all they are prepared to do is run bent, do nights out on the nod, and be on call day and night.
I would like to think that a “premium driver” is the one who would go that extra mile - but only within reason.
Company pay structures will either encourage or discourage their drivers from working in a flexible or routine manner.
If one is paid a salary - then who wants to work more than their contracted hours?
If one is paid overtime after 8 hours - who wants to rush about - just to get back at the 9 hour mark, and get docked just enough for a flat shift?
If there IS no overtime - who wants to do anything extra at all?
If there is plenty of overtime - who wants to get pushed about by “hours management” that will not let full timers pick up shifts of 12+ hours in length?
Since it is so hard to keep staff on the basis of treating them well - the pay angle seems to be the better approach. OVERPAY for the staff you want, and then put upon them as you see fit.
If they don’t think it’s worth all those extra little favours for that meaty salary - then turn over enough people until you find someone that’ll jump at the chance of such a meaty basic - just for a few routine expectations whilst one is at work anyways…