Winseer:
An interesting conflict of opinion here…
You’ve got Carryfast - someone who has always seemed a bit “loony left” on here, and Myself - someone who’s so far refused to vote Labour his entire adult life.
If people like Tony Benn or Dennis Healey were running Labour now - I’d be voting Labour like a shot. Footy becoming leader effectively booted me out of the Labour party forever.
Even Corbyn cannot get me to walk back in as a newly recruited Labour supporter - unless he ditches ALL the residual daft ideas I still don’t support, or actually gets the mainstream party to value the opinions of someone like myself -that could be the very canidate type that a reformed Labour party seeks…?
As I said, the banks made fools of us all. “All” included Healey, who was right royally shafted by the banks in his own right.
Of COURSE their actions led to their own eggrandisment and Healey’s (and a ruling Labour party’s!) utter downfall.
We’ve still yet to recover. Corbyn needs to pick up that Tony Benn crusade against the Banks to be “radical” enough for the likes of me.
I have no desire merely to tax people who are not here any more, invite unlimited amounts of non or low tax payers from overseas, nor scrap our means of ever defending ourselves from foreign invasion forever.
In the 70’s, I felt as a growing up kid that the world of work was going to be a “Meritocracy”. How wrong I was - thanks to the changes that came about from the late 70’s (not 1979!) where we saw the rot begin in our town halls first. Everything from “Banning the cane” to “atheist creep” and “poltical correctness” rolled out from the town halls rather than central government, Bottom up. - Even stopping Thatcher’s “Bring Back Hanging” bill! Free vote? - Pah. Why couldn’t we have “Yes it hurt, yes it worked” over THAT issue eh? The same applies to the EU in-out issue.
A PROPER prime mininster won’t actually hold a referendum that could well be sabotaged by foreign enemy powers, banks, or even rival MPs.
A PROPER prime minister will just take us out as suddenly as Major put us in the ERM or Heath put us in the EEC - and make it “policy” to do so.
On this, one begins to understand why people voted for Cameron - who at least offers the small forlorn hope of suddenly swinging into the EU issue - but not Farage - who at best, will get a referendum that he might still LOSE. The longer it takes to have the referendum now - the more chance it has of being an “OUT” result, and therefore the actual hope we’ll ever GET this referendum - fades with each passing day.
“BY the end of 2017” we get told. Well, that means we could get to 31.12.17 and THEN be told “Sorry bud, I lied. I’ll be standing down in 2020 so you can’t punish me for it either.” by Cameron. THAT is what those who didn’t vote for him in May this year Expect now.
Blimey I thought it was obvious that I’d long ago ditched all ideas of called left v so called right.The fact is socialism is all about pushing a flawed failed ideology not looking after the interests of the working class.On that note,assuming that left means standing up to the bankers and free markets and the import of cheap immigrant labour,the French FN ‘would be’ as ‘left’ as it gets. 
As for Healey he wasn’t shafted by the bankers.He enthusiastically joined in with them and implemented the first wave of Thatcherite type economics that devastated our industrial strength and that of the unions and with it our wealth creating ability.
As always breaking the false link between Socialism and the interests of the working class was/is/will be the key in wether ‘Labour’ becomes a force again.On that note Nationalism,Protectionism and Capitalist Fordist ( as opposed to race to the bottom global free market economics ) are the way forward.IE everything that Corbyn ( and Healey ) stand/stood against and at least much of what Shore stood for.
A Shore led Labour and Powell led Conservative co alition being the best government that we never had in that regard. 
On that note,like so many others,you seem to be side tracked by stereotypical views of ‘left’ v ‘right’.When what’s needed is a ‘Labour’ leader like Le Pen.
