Driver shortage - or a changed industry?

Looking back at some pictures of the older trucks I used to drive, I started thinking back to the way things used to be and how the industry has changed over the years.

The other drivers used to be a different breed in those days and would willingly help a new or struggling driver out, showing them how to rope and sheet in a better way, or how to best secure an unusual load. You’d get the odd ‘brown noser’ but drivers stuck together in those days and all helped each other out, even out on the road and at delivery destinations all over the UK. It was quite normal to help another driver struggling with a big tarp on a windy day, or help them fold it up on the deck.

Years ago there were no mobile phones and drivers would call from a phone box if they had any problems or if they were empty. Drivers didn’t have people ringing them in the cab all the while, distracting them when concentrating on their driving (how many accidents has that caused?).

Drivers didn’t have trackers watching their every move, as hauliers had an element of trust in their drivers and knew the driver would crack on and get things done. They respected their professionalism. Vehicles didn’t have telematics reporting harsh braking as a misdemeanour, rather than an aware driver saving injury to the pratt that just pulled out in front of the truck.

Hauliers didn’t mind if you ran the engine for five minutes to heat the cab whilst waiting in a four hour steel queue outside, it was winter in sub zero temperatures after all. They didn’t mind if you took a two mile detour to avoid a traffic gridlock as they trusted your integrity in keeping the truck moving and back to the yard. They didn’t have inward facing cameras in the cab as they had more respect for their drivers. They realised it was hard out there some days, challenging, tiring and didn’t interrogate drivers about petty things upon their return, but instead said “thanks for that today” and asked if you were doing anything nice that weekend.

Years ago virtually nobody started work at 2am in the morning and there was almost no lorries on the road of a Sunday. There weren’t many lorries on the road during the night either.The only drivers that were out all week long, were those on international runs, the term tramper wasn’t in use as even the distance drivers typically only had a couple of nights out per week.

If I look back on times past, the only real improvement in life I see for the HGV driver (personal opinion) was the invention and availability of the satnav. It was nothing back then to spend an hour driving somewhere and another hour just trying to find your destination. Stopping random strangers in the street and asking them if they knew were something was, being the norm and you weren’t always pointed in the right direction.

There was traffic queues, accidents and adverse weather in those days, just like there is now. If you wanted aircon you opened the window, but you did have a gearstick and were far more in touch with the machine you were sitting on, unlike the auto boxed, cruise controlled machines you just steer nowadays. The police and ministry of transport used to have pull ins, but as long as something was not serious or dangerous, they would often ask you to “get that fixed when you get back to the yard”, or next time don’t do something in a certain way advice. You weren’t see as a ‘cash cow’ back then, you were a driver that needed guidance. The cowboy operators would still get a hammering though, as would drivers just taking the pee.

This all brings it back to the modern day and the alleged ‘driver shortage’. I can look back of previous times and have happy memories of some of the places I worked, the banter and fun with some of the old time characters. I wonder if today’s drivers will have any such memories in future years?

Times change and the transport world has changed too. Nowadays you potentially have to carry a wad full of cards around in your wallet. Driving license, CPC, digi tacho, hiab, adr, cscs, quarry card, ports card. In theory you must be better qualified, more professional so hence regarded higher than previous drivers in years gone by?

A lot of folks see the driver shortage as just being about money, but it is not. It is just as much as about respect, dignity, professionalism and a sensible work-life balance.

I am still a qualified HGV driver, but I wonder how many of the existing drivers out there, would enter the industry as a newbie nowadays and shell out thousands to get a license? Personally I’d struggle to see the attraction.

I started in 1986 and the main reason was it was a chance to drive all over Europe and get paid for it. I wouldn’t have even considered it if runs to RDCs or pallet hubs were all that was on offer.

Time to remove the rose tinted glasses.

Most jobs have changed dramatically over the years.

Most of the things you are talking about is just things, times and technology moving on.

simcor:
Most jobs have changed dramatically over the years.

Which is my point exactly and why the UK has in excess of 70,000 people, who hold full HGV licenses but don’t currently drive in the industry. There is NO driver shortage.

For balance, there no shortage of hauliers taking the pee either…

I started my class1 driving in the early 70’s & you’re right it’s changed drastically from those Halcyon days. The men in suits have micro managed the bejesus out of the industry these days. They let you get on with the job back then without the hassle of what I read today.
Changing industry indeed! Level 4 class1 truck out on the roads this week in China without a human onboard :open_mouth:

LIBERTY_GUY:

simcor:
Most jobs have changed dramatically over the years.

There is NO driver shortage.

There is for me - I’m only 5 foot two.

Nice rose tinted view there, shame it’s all rubbish. The reason paper tachos then digital tachos were brought in was because of how many drivers used to falisfy driving hours records. All the stuff you bang on about being bad today is because of the actions of drivers in years gone by. With the average age of a lorry driver being 57 some of those responsible for what we have today were driving in the 1980s and they clearly didn’t improve over the last 30 odd years witnessed by the fact even more stuff has been brought in to try to counteract what they do and did. Some of the worst examples I’ve seen for not giving a toss about the rules or doing things like securing your load properly are those who’ve been doing it the longest, they got their bad habits years ago, didn’t get caught so just carried on and got worse. And many of those drivers today you complain about not helping people are the same people who were around 30 years ago.

There probably was a few drivers that falsified the old log books Conor, but of course their employers were fully aware of it and happy to profit from it. Remember that prior to the log books though, there were no records kept of driving hours whatsoever.

Rogue operators always found ways of falsifying records, whether it was log books, paper tachos, or digital tachos. They still catch people driving through our shores who’ve driven for twelve or fifteen hours solid. What is it the Irish operator say - keep her lit? They catch drivers that don’t even have HGV licenses trundling 44 tonnes down the motorway. These aren’t owner operators, they are working for companies that aren’t operating legally.

Likewise there are fleet operators that regularly overload vehicles without the drivers knowledge, encourage them to drive like lunatics (think tippers), are relectant or refuse to supply proper equipment to secure loads, send out vehicles unfit for the purpose, plan impossible routes and send out vehicles on the road with faults not rectified even though drivers have previously reported faults.

The driver shortage is purely to do with the attitude of UK hauliers, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the drivers. I truly don’t blame the East Europeans who have gone home now.

bloke i know drove way back told me it was common to find your legs folded under you when you finally got out the cab as the throb of the truck it had shaken you so much . He isnt the sort to make things up ,he drove something top heavy Lincs to London said it felt like was going to tip over on every roundabout .

corij:
bloke i know drove way back told me it was common to find your legs folded under you when you finally got out the cab as the throb of the truck it had shaken you so much . He isnt the sort to make things up ,he drove something top heavy Lincs to London said it felt like was going to tip over on every roundabout .

Even in the mid eighties, there were trucks from the late sixties still in use. Old ERF’s, Atkinsons and Fodens that just went on forever. No frills machines that were easy to fix. I was driving Mercs back then, which were still relatively thin on the ground, but the only truck I remember being really uncomfortable to drive was the old D series Fords. They also had quite a cramped cab. Oil top ups were the norm on those older trucks, couple of times a week on some of them, so you always had a gallon can of spare oil on board.

LIBERTY_GUY:
but the only truck I remember being really uncomfortable to drive was the old D series Fords. They also had quite a cramped cab. Oil top ups were the norm on those older trucks, couple of times a week on some of them, so you always had a gallon can of spare oil on board.

Arnold Laver timber merchants in Hull were still using one of those tractor units to do deliveries in the late 1990s. I used to get sent in there on agency and have to drive the bloody thing and it wasn’t just locals either but you’d go to say Leeds or Sheffield. Wasn’t much fun crawling up even the slightest incline at barely walking speed.

The only thing I remember about those Ford Transcontis was how small the cab was - not room to swing a cat think I thought.

How ironic it was when I read a recent Ripper book suggest Sutcliffe used to go cruising for victims in the big Transconti “but there wasn’t room to kill them in the cab”. Spot on!

Will your Sutcliffe obsession last much longer? Asking for…… well, everybody really.

the maoster:
Will your Sutcliffe obsession last much longer? Asking for…… well, everybody really.

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Just think… These things could kill over a million people in a year, and there’s no one to blame other than the hapless public who happened to get in their way…

Oh, wait a mo.!!

Winseer:
Just think… These things could kill over a million people in a year, and there’s no one to blame other than the hapless public who happened to get in their way…

Oh, wait a mo.!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=accfzeBBuWg

Too latee! Bill Gates is already swimming round your bloodstream.

Are those 5g pylons much in the news lately?

Ffs,.an intelligent well thought out o/p (I agree with about only 80% btw,.and 20% of what Conor replies) about adverse change in the industry over the years, a lot of which I relate to,.and then ■■■■ Covid manages to rear it’s ugly ■■■■ head AGAIN.

Give it a rest eh? :unamused:

Yeah times have moved on now though pal.
Hopefully in the right direction for the new lads who take the job on.

Let’s face it the younger generation and myself (60) don’t want mega hours.
They just want to work 10 12 hours and go home and what’s wrong with that.
Look at the hours they expect us to work 3x15 then 2-3x13hour shifts it’s 2021 not the 1900.
We are looked up on as a commodity start at 2 in the morning no thought of your personal life.
I don’t blame anyone for going for more money
Pay a decent wage cut the stupid hours and start times and you might get people returning too the industry.

Peter C:
Let’s face it the younger generation and myself (60) don’t want mega hours.
They just want to work 10 12 hours and go home and what’s wrong with that.
Look at the hours they expect us to work 3x15 then 2-3x13hour shifts it’s 2021 not the 1900.
We are looked up on as a commodity start at 2 in the morning no thought of your personal life.
I don’t blame anyone for going for more money
Pay a decent wage cut the stupid hours and start times and you might get people returning too the industry.

Blame the trampers. They’re the ones who cry like babies if they’re not getting their 78 hours a week. The rest of us who want to work normal hours have to suffer as a consequence as companies come to expect it because the trampers happily do it every week.