Pat Hasler:
I get really annoyed when a close friend or family member says they can’t afford it but then they are off to the Med, the Canaries three times a year
The cost of living here is way over the top.
As you should, flying to the US has never been cheaper, on Norwegian you can fly return to east coast from Gatwick for about £300 or so
newmercman:
The thing you seem to be missing Carryfast is volume, a medium size container ship will carry 5,000 TEUs, to get 5,000 accompanied trailers on a boat the first one on deck would be halfway across the Atlantic already, if you’re talking about a Panamax container ship, the amount of TEUs it can carry converted into accompanied trailers, it would be that long it would almost be a bridge across the Atlantic.Containers stack 11 deep in the holds and 9 deep on deck.
I was mainly referring to the regular Con/Ro services which actually do run from Liverpool to Halifax and NY.
In which as I said it’s easy to understand why they didn’t want to get involved in anything which ( they perceived ) would potentially create any significant shift in ‘customer demand’ from the deck space efficiency which,as you’ve said,containers provide for ‘the shipping lines’.As opposed to the advantages which a truck provides in terms of volume and service levels,over a container for the ‘customer’.
As I said it wasn’t a case that they ‘couldn’t’ get close enough to the cost of shipping a truck v a container,nor that the logistics of putting just one truck on their ro ro deck was unviable.It was more a case that they ‘wouldn’t’ because they didn’t want the potential problem of lots of container customers suddenly wanting to send stuff on trucks using up valuable space on the ro ro decks.Instead of using more shipping space efficient containers on the container decks.When the truth was that they probably actually had the chance of a regular high demand albeit limited truck ferrying operation among their other services.
On that note you seem to be jumping to the same conclusions as they did.In that there was never any intention ( on my part ) of shipping anything more than 1 truck but they obviously rightly or wrongly saw the potential for the idea turning into a rush by customers for the worst of all worlds situation ( for them ) of excessive customer demand for less space efficient trucks and redundant container capacity.When the truth was that it could have been a good earner in the form of a high demand ( if reasonably enough priced ),albeit limited,truck ferrying operation,among their other unaccompanied trailer and container services.
While the ro ro only shipping lines obviously had no need to reduce their ro ro rates as part of that.Although those types aren’t ideally suited to carrying trucks,as opposed to cars and plant on their ro ro decks,anyway.
While ironically I’d guess that the idea might now actually be more viable with the introduction of the larger ro ro capacity types in which you’ll see that capacity is already shifting a bit more towards ro ro.Maybe to the point where it could potentially be more a case of it being DOT bureaucracy,rather than shipping costs,which stands in the way of someone being brave enough and wanting to do something different enough 
to send a loaded truck across rather than a container. 
switchlogic:
Pat Hasler:
I get really annoyed when a close friend or family member says they can’t afford it but then they are off to the Med, the Canaries three times a year
The cost of living here is way over the top.As you should, flying to the US has never been cheaper, on Norwegian you can fly return to east coast from Gatwick for about £300 or so
That’s a con, all the extra charges push the fares higher than Virgin Atlantic, meals, luggage, drinks and entertainment are all extra and the 300 quid quote is only one way. I used to fly over here twice a year when I lived back in the UK. I like some comfort on an 8 hour flight.
The other English driver I work with flew over on Norwegian and he said it was a crap flight, we flew over at Christmas on Virgin and got seats in Premium Economy (Business class) for $1100.00 each, full service, reclining seats, wine as soon as we sat in our seats, priority boarding and food served on bone china.
switchlogic:
flying to the US has never been cheaper, on Norwegian you can fly return to east coast from Gatwick for about £300 or so
Not while BA still use 4 engined 747’s for the job and if not it’d be a return ticket on QM2 only for me. 
My mum is over visiting now, I booked her on BA LHR to Calgary, it was less than 600quid return.
I’ve had a couple of lifelong friends that wanted to come over with their family for their holidays, but that would mean me taking time off too and if I’m taking a holiday, I’m not doing it in Manitoba!
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Carryfast:
newmercman:
The thing you seem to be missing Carryfast is volume, a medium size container ship will carry 5,000 TEUs, to get 5,000 accompanied trailers on a boat the first one on deck would be halfway across the Atlantic already, if you’re talking about a Panamax container ship, the amount of TEUs it can carry converted into accompanied trailers, it would be that long it would almost be a bridge across the Atlantic.Containers stack 11 deep in the holds and 9 deep on deck.
I was mainly referring to the regular Con/Ro services which actually do run from Liverpool to Halifax and NY.
In which as I said it’s easy to understand why they didn’t want to get involved in anything which ( they perceived ) would potentially create any significant shift in ‘customer demand’ from the deck space efficiency which,as you’ve said,containers provide for ‘the shipping lines’.As opposed to the advantages which a truck provides in terms of volume and service levels,over a container for the ‘customer’.
As I said it wasn’t a case that they ‘couldn’t’ get close enough to the cost of shipping a truck v a container,nor that the logistics of putting just one truck on their ro ro deck was unviable.It was more a case that they ‘wouldn’t’ because they didn’t want the potential problem of lots of container customers suddenly wanting to send stuff on trucks using up valuable space on the ro ro decks.Instead of using more shipping space efficient containers on the container decks.When the truth was that they probably actually had the chance of a regular high demand albeit limited truck ferrying operation among their other services.
On that note you seem to be jumping to the same conclusions as they did.In that there was never any intention ( on my part ) of shipping anything more than 1 truck but they obviously rightly or wrongly saw the potential for the idea turning into a rush by customers for the worst of all worlds situation ( for them ) of excessive customer demand for less space efficient trucks and redundant container capacity.When the truth was that it could have been a good earner in the form of a high demand ( if reasonably enough priced ),albeit limited,truck ferrying operation,among their other unaccompanied trailer and container services.
While the ro ro only shipping lines obviously had no need to reduce their ro ro rates as part of that.Although those types aren’t ideally suited to carrying trucks,as opposed to cars and plant on their ro ro decks,anyway.
While ironically I’d guess that the idea might now actually be more viable with the introduction of the larger ro ro capacity types in which you’ll see that capacity is already shifting a bit more towards ro ro.Maybe to the point where it could potentially be more a case of it being DOT bureaucracy,rather than shipping costs,which stands in the way of someone being brave enough and wanting to do something different enough
You may as well have suggested using flying pigs! They do exist, I’ve got a picture of some on an album cover flying over Battersea power station [emoji23][emoji23]
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Mark, do an house swap with me when you’re next over to see your mob!
bigvern1:
Mark, do an house swap with me when you’re next over to see your mob!
You’re kidding mate, my ex lives around the corner from you, I’d be up on a murder charge in a week lol.
Rob, over here it’s not a case of if, but when you hit the ditch, Luke has got it out of the way already, so he’s the perfect candidate.
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newmercman:
bigvern1:
Mark, do an house swap with me when you’re next over to see your mob!You’re kidding mate, my ex lives around the corner from you, I’d be up on a murder charge in a week lol.
Rob, over here it’s not a case of if, but when you hit the ditch, Luke has got it out of the way already, so he’s the perfect candidate.
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Good point(s)
Pat Hasler:
switchlogic:
Pat Hasler:
I get really annoyed when a close friend or family member says they can’t afford it but then they are off to the Med, the Canaries three times a year
The cost of living here is way over the top.As you should, flying to the US has never been cheaper, on Norwegian you can fly return to east coast from Gatwick for about £300 or so
That’s a con, all the extra charges push the fares higher than Virgin Atlantic, meals, luggage, drinks and entertainment are all extra and the 300 quid quote is only one way. I used to fly over here twice a year when I lived back in the UK. I like some comfort on an 8 hour flight.
The other English driver I work with flew over on Norwegian and he said it was a crap flight, we flew over at Christmas on Virgin and got seats in Premium Economy (Business class) for $1100.00 each, full service, reclining seats, wine as soon as we sat in our seats, priority boarding and food served on bone china.
It was both ways and certainly not a con, I’ve used them and others myself, £330 RETURN. You carry on paying hundreds of dollars for crap meals and two inches of extra leg room and I’ll save my money for more worthwhile things and fly Norwegian. Crap food on bone China is still crap food. Be warned though, the likes of Norwegian are getting VERY popular and the big airlines are taking notice of their business model. To the point where BA’s owner IAG is considering taking them over.
(P.s Premium Economy isn’t real business class. It’s premium economy. Save your money and try Virgin Upper Class, that’s actually worth paying for if you book in advance and get tickets during sales. Though east coast flights are too short to make the most of it. Flown to California in Upper Class a couple of times, amazing experience)
If driving food about in particular is dominated by a handful of multinationals these days - surely it would make sense for the rest of us to know where we should aim our tenders to get the best chance of having our contracts picked up?
From what I’m reading on this thread, B&J seems like a decent firm to work for BUT hardly ever recuit?
Does North America have the same issues with companies that take the ■■■■ as the UK does?
I.e. they rope staff in by promising the Earth, and then come up with loads of small print reasons like “Wheels must be turning” - to get out of paying what you thought you’d be getting paid.
“Vehicle Deliveries” for instance, where you only get paid for miles done to deliver the vehicle - NOT those miles coming back, nor the travel cost OF coming back neither! 
newmercman:
That’s the best part of 12,000miles and a fantastic journey, but a lot of time away from home, doing that week in, week out will made you old in a hurry.Sent from my SM-T805W using Tapatalk
He has the wife and child with him this week, she has broken a cup holder and the cab looks like a crèche [emoji23]
newmercman:
My mum is over visiting now, I booked her on BA LHR to Calgary, it was less than 600quid return.I’ve had a couple of lifelong friends that wanted to come over with their family for their holidays, but that would mean me taking time off too and if I’m taking a holiday, I’m not doing it in Manitoba!
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What’s wrong with Manitoba if you’re off duty?
I find myself getting bored on my holidays, if I’m too far away from Home. I like to think that my home is a base I can rule the world from - I feel a bit cut-off whilst travelling, being one of those people who prefers the journey to the “arriving”… I’m often disappointed with the lack of facilities upon arrival, you see. “Never live up to the picture postcards” all too many holiday destinations.
That’s why I prefer to go “off grid” as soon as possible after arriving, and get to see the “real” country I’m visiting that way.
Winseer:
newmercman:
My mum is over visiting now, I booked her on BA LHR to Calgary, it was less than 600quid return.I’ve had a couple of lifelong friends that wanted to come over with their family for their holidays, but that would mean me taking time off too and if I’m taking a holiday, I’m not doing it in Manitoba!
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What’s wrong with Manitoba if you’re off duty?
I find myself getting bored on my holidays, if I’m too far away from Home. I like to think that my home is a base I can rule the world from - I feel a bit cut-off whilst travelling, being one of those people who prefers the journey to the “arriving”… I’m often disappointed with the lack of facilities upon arrival, you see. “Never live up to the picture postcards” all too many holiday destinations.
That’s why I prefer to go “off grid” as soon as possible after arriving, and get to see the “real” country I’m visiting that way.
Manitoba = Deliverance , the Banjos are deafening
I’m on holiday in Texas and this article popped up on my news feed today.
switchlogic:
Pat Hasler:
switchlogic:
Pat Hasler:
I get really annoyed when a close friend or family member says they can’t afford it but then they are off to the Med, the Canaries three times a year
The cost of living here is way over the top.As you should, flying to the US has never been cheaper, on Norwegian you can fly return to east coast from Gatwick for about £300 or so
That’s a con, all the extra charges push the fares higher than Virgin Atlantic, meals, luggage, drinks and entertainment are all extra and the 300 quid quote is only one way. I used to fly over here twice a year when I lived back in the UK. I like some comfort on an 8 hour flight.
The other English driver I work with flew over on Norwegian and he said it was a crap flight, we flew over at Christmas on Virgin and got seats in Premium Economy (Business class) for $1100.00 each, full service, reclining seats, wine as soon as we sat in our seats, priority boarding and food served on bone china.It was both ways and certainly not a con, I’ve used them and others myself, £330 RETURN. You carry on paying hundreds of dollars for crap meals and two inches of extra leg room and I’ll save my money for more worthwhile things and fly Norwegian. Crap food on bone China is still crap food. Be warned though, the likes of Norwegian are getting VERY popular and the big airlines are taking notice of their business model. To the point where BA’s owner IAG is considering taking them over.
(P.s Premium Economy isn’t real business class. It’s premium economy. Save your money and try Virgin Upper Class, that’s actually worth paying for if you book in advance and get tickets during sales. Though east coast flights are too short to make the most of it. Flown to California in Upper Class a couple of times, amazing experience)
Premium economy was a full sized reclining seat, I could even lay in the fetal positon to sleep, it was by far the best meal I have ever had on a plane, also there was no limit of free baggage. As for finding bargains, my wife is a expert, she has been arranging flights for people for over 20 years, she deals directly with the airlines and never through a third party.
Malc, the wife and the kid together is hard work, the cabs are bigger over here, but three people n a little box is two people too much!
Winseer, nothing wrong with Manitoba, there’s plenty to do here, we even have fantastic beaches around the lakes and the weather is glorious in summer, but it wouldn’t feel like s proper holiday for us, a holiday is all about getting away from it all and you can’t really do that at home.
FTTM, it’s more children of the corn than deliverance here [emoji23]
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Pat Hasler:
Premium economy was a full sized reclining seat, I could even lay in the fetal positon to sleep, it was by far the best meal I have ever had on a plane, also there was no limit of free baggage. As for finding bargains, my wife is a expert, she has been arranging flights for people for over 20 years, she deals directly with the airlines and never through a third party.
If it were actually business class they would call it business class don’t you think?
Pat Hasler:
she deals directly with the airlines and never through a third party.
Dont most of us these days? I’ve never booked a flight through a third party. Though a good way to spot bargains is to use something like Skyscanner to show you want all the airlines offer then just go to the relevant airlines site
I flew BA club class from JFK to LHR once, now that was proper luxury, I’ve also been upgraded to first class on a flight to Barbados, I have to say, if I had the money, I would definitely pay for the upgrade. I’m a bit of a princess and love a bit of pampering.
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newmercman:
I flew BA club class from JFK to LHR once, now that was proper luxury, I’ve also been upgraded to first class on a flight to Barbados, I have to say, if I had the money, I would definitely pay for the upgrade. I’m a bit of a princess and love a bit of pampering.Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
Was that premium economy club class or premium economy business class?
