40 years of long hours under EU rule.Time 10 or so hours should be lobed off the working week, a re introduction of double time ect for sundays and night s aect ect…
fuse:
40 years of long hours under EU rule.Time 10 or so hours should be lobed off the working week, a re introduction of double time ect for sundays and night s aect ect…
“Charter of Fundamental Human Rights
The UK obtained a clarifying protocol, Protocol 30, which clarifies that the Charter does not extend the ability of the European Court of Justice to find UK law inconsistent with the Charter.
This exemption was obtained because of fears the Charter would infringe on UK labour law.”
We`re already excluded from EU interference in our labour laws. Our noble politicians decided to protect us workers from those interfering Eurocrats ages ago.
If you think the UK laws are bad…blame the UK Gov, maybe?
Ask our members who work for French companies whether they get overtime and extra for weekend work ?
I’m sure you’ll find that whatever UK government of the day was more than happy to agree to the present driver’s hours regs.
If you believe leaving the EU will see the re-introduction of Sunday double time or many of the other perks workers got, then you really have swallowed the ■■■■■■■■ spouted by some in the leave camp. The reason we don’t have those perks is due to people voting for successive governments who believe in a free market and workers who sold off their bargaining power for a quick buck.
Franglais:
fuse:
40 years of long hours under EU rule.Time 10 or so hours should be lobed off the working week, a re introduction of double time ect for sundays and night s aect ect…“Charter of Fundamental Human Rights
The UK obtained a clarifying protocol, Protocol 30, which clarifies that the Charter does not extend the ability of the European Court of Justice to find UK law inconsistent with the Charter.
This exemption was obtained because of fears the Charter would infringe on UK labour law.”We`re already excluded from EU interference in our labour laws. Our noble politicians decided to protect us workers from those interfering Eurocrats ages ago.
If you think the UK laws are bad…blame the UK Gov, maybe?
Ask our members who work for French companies whether they get overtime and extra for weekend work ?
Now then - Don’t you go popping the gammon’s bubble by stating a few facts…
The irony of people moaning about the EU regs when our very own GB domestic regs allow MORE time at work, MORE driving, LESS breaks and FEWER days off…
If the working hours were ever changed. Can guarantee a lot of people will complain can’t cope on 50 hour I need the hours the overtime etc.
Me personally am happy enough with my 50ish hours a week plus the odd night out. I’d rather be home having a bit of a life than working as many hours as possible
i was happy with log books and eleven and a half hours off each night plus double time for sundays ect.W hy do you think young people do not want to drive trucks.I posted this subject because of a commercial motor article about new all singing dancing tacho,s,big article but nothing about getting driver hours into the new age
fuse:
i was happy with log books and eleven and a half hours off each night plus double time for sundays ect.W hy do you think young people do not want to drive trucks.I posted this subject because of a commercial motor article about new all singing dancing tacho,s,big article but nothing about getting driver hours into the new age
Not actually disagreeing with the idea of less hours and better terms and conditions of employment, but the idea that losing things like Sunday double time and long hours are purely the fault of the EU or that it would change if and when we leave.
Our own successive governments have made sure its more difficult for workers to stand against reduction in workers benefits, and easier for companies to introduce them, this is why wages for many average workers have actually stagnated for years, meanwhile the economy grows, so who’s getting the extra money?
As for Drivers Hours, being able to work a 15 hour day, doesn’t mean you have to, but could be useful for getting home now and then when the best laid plans go wrong, however what’s happened is that certain companies plan for max hours and certain drivers think this is a target for each week to make up a reasonable wage, instead of fighting for a sensible hourly rate.
your dead right muckles, this 15 hours stuff has become the norm for the boss, same as POA is for working longer
I do think the tacho was brought in under the guise of safety but it was all about working truck to max ,where it was ect no room to shall we say to maxi mise earnings with your pen…mind you just to make up for poor conditions ect
The erosion of double time and time and 1/2 has nothing to do with hours regs. What it had to do with is companies trying to fix costs so paying the same per hour worked and drivers accepting it.
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Munchkin:
The erosion of double time and time and 1/2 has nothing to do with hours regs. What it had to do with is companies trying to fix costs so paying the same per hour worked and drivers accepting it.Sent from my Redmi 4 using Tapatalk
+1…
Drivers just capitulating and working weekends for straight money. If the agencies try the same trick, I will stop driving altogether.
There was a time that you had to have 36 off if you were at base. They took away 12 hours from us by making that 24 hours and no-one batted an eyelid.
Drivers continuing to push on like idiots to keep to impossible schedules, treating all limits as targets and still working through breaks.
We have only oursleves to blame.
yourhavingalarf:
Munchkin:
The erosion of double time and time and 1/2 has nothing to do with hours regs. What it had to do with is companies trying to fix costs so paying the same per hour worked and drivers accepting it.Sent from my Redmi 4 using Tapatalk
+1…
Drivers just capitulating and working weekends for straight money.
There was a time that you had to have 36 off if you were at base. They took away 12 hours from us by making that 24 hours and no-one batted an eyelid.
Drivers continuing to push on like idiots to keep to impossible schedules, treating all limits as targets and still working through breaks.
We have only oursleves to blame.
+2…But don’t count me in the ‘‘ourselves’’ bit, I have never fell into that particular trap, and I am sure that you will not be included either.
The heroes, the teararses, the spineless, and the yes men have ■■■■ ed the job, and rest of us,… up. 
Some attitudes and approaches towards the job, and views from drivers never cease to amaze me. 
Proper jobs still have weekend and night and bank holiday rates calculated into the wage, yes even when salaried.
The hours at such places might look odd, due primarily to customer requirements, but they are normally reasonable, circs low 40’s hour weeks on average, often much less for night workers…yes the crap can hit the fan and some long shifts can result but overall this is not the norm.
There tends to be a common theme where the above applies, and that is where unions are recognised and collective agreements apply…despite the best efforts of the ‘we aint joining the union’ new breed of wheel attendant (age immaterial) to spoil the whole shooting match.
Back in the days of log books, I had a pretty easy job and rarely worked more than 10 hours in a day or 40 in a week. Staying in digs meant that I saw other drivers, probably on more per hour than me, cutting rest short and working seven days a week to maximise their earnings.
Barbara Castle (Labour Transport Minister) bought in tachographs to protect drivers from their own greed and from the bosses who pushed them to do it. Naturally, drivers and their unions objected strongly to “The Spy In The Cab” but they failed to stop it. I wonder what they would have done about video in the cab?
Working any job is on a volunteer basis.
You know what you are going to be paid, and you know roughly what the hours will be.
If you don’t like either don’t take the job.
I had 26 years driving lorries then had a 3 year break and did something else that finished when euro car parts bought the company i was working for so i voted with my feet last August and went back steering wheel attending.
The firm i work for has been slated on here and other places for being poor payers but what i found appealing was any shift catered for [within reason]
So for the last 6 months i have started at 5am for two shifts of my 4 on 4 off and 6am on the other two as i don’t get on with the Polish night manager i can’t understand him, who also works 4 on 4 off .
The pay due to it being 4 on 4 off is caculated regarding sat sun and b/h rates and is paid every 4 weeks i.e 13 times a year. The sat and sun rates are rubbish but overall for what i do and the hours it is good enough for my needs.
£25 a day bonus for doing 4 trls and a fiver a day meal allowance both of which are guaranteed.
10hrs and 15 mins plus a fiver and £25 bonus gives me on a weekday £130 sat £140 sun £152
Since starting I have not gone over 41 hours over 4 days, its boring and repetitive but the lads where i collect the loaded trls from are good as gold. Empty trl in loaded one out x 4. 1hr 30 min roundtrip. I have been asked to do an extra shift once which i refused as i did not want it.
The job used to be a lifestyle vocation for me till i woke up and realised its just a job and i was the one responsible for my life and what i did with it so i took control of who i worked for and how long i worked for you to can do the same.
Forget solidarity you got two legs stand on your own no body has got your back except you.
There are some great jobs about but few and far between and the ones that are left will be swallowed up by Stobarts and the like as the workforce at Walkers crisps are at this very moment finding out, and suffering the death throes of a classic union led workforce being strangled by a transport company seeking to maximise profit and Walkers cutting transport costs.
I have enjoyed my lorry driving job because thats what it is a job it does not define me its just what i do for coin.
But hours pay conditions are all about what you are prepared to accept and on that basis if you have made your bed you got to lie in it.
Rambled on a bit i know but a final thought cover yourself by investing in some insurance to cover illness income protection etc that will look after you and yours better than any union employer, or workmate.
And buy a banger if your a tramper and you leave your car in a yard all week.
Jap cars will do you well.
The money you save on pcp hp etc will more than pay for any insurance you take out to cover for sickness income protection.
If you do need to go anywhere distance wise while your off hire a car.
HTH.
People have to learn to live with in there means.
As said above.
Driver our place in his late 30s drives a 2018 reg Audi a 4 . But why when it sits there mon to Fri.
And he’s 1st one to ask for extra days etc as he needs the money to pay his bills etc.
I have a 2005 astra all paid for gets me.about does the job.
Learn to live with in your means and try n save up
Already been stated,some Drovers can`t get enough hours in, they would go back to the old times when you could work 14 spreads seven days a week every week.
For so many its spend spend spend more they earn more they spend, living to the extent when they have a few short weeks they have money troubles that takes the next month or two to replace,vicious circle.
Double time etc went out the window when Supermarkets started the trend of 24/7 opening forcing others to follow suit to compete,plus Families put off shopping until both are at home which is usually w/e hence its warehouse and Drivers who have to change their work practice.
The days of half day closing on a Wed or Thurs and closed at 6.00 on Saturday and closed on Sunday unless it was newspapers or chemists are long gone
lolipop:
Already been stated,some Drovers can`t get enough hours in, they would go back to the old times when you could work 14 spreads seven days a week every week.
For so many its spend spend spend more they earn more they spend, living to the extent when they have a few short weeks they have money troubles that takes the next month or two to replace,vicious circle.
I was having this conversation the other day, you get too many drivers continually maxing hours out and going like an idiot for years, parking in ■■■■ holes where they can’t sleep properly, snatching crap food when they can, and it takes it’s toll on them…the endurance test crew, who usually look 10 yrs older than the age they actually are
So then when they retire, and it’s caught up with them, they last a matter of months before they’re nailed down in a box…totally burned out.
I’ve seen it absolutely numerous times in the time I’ve been in the job, one of the reasons that I cut back on hours myself in fact.
robroy:
I was having this conversation the other day, you get too many drivers continually maxing hours out and going like an idiot for years, parking in [zb] holes where they can’t sleep properly, snatching crap food when they can, and it takes it’s toll on them…the endurance test crew, who usually look 10 yrs older than the age they actually are
So then when they retire, and it’s caught up with them, they last a matter of months before they’re nailed down in a box…totally burned out.
I’ve seen it absolutely numerous times in the time I’ve been in the job, one of the reasons that I cut back on hours myself in fact.
Your logic may be flawed…
By using your formula It looks like I might be immortal… [emoji38]
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