Hope this makes scence
anyone know if you can take this training without an employer as i was wondering what would happen to drivers that have passed there test already i know that we get gradfarther wrights till 2014 but what will happen if you have not completed the 35 hours with an employer by that time.
Also if you are an agency driver how and who pays for your training.
Its like your drivers license, its entirely up to you to keep it up to date.
Your employer can choose to train their drivers if they wish but there is no obligation for them to do so. Think of it a bit like the ADR course (only mandatory) if you need it for your job, the employer MAY pay for it, but more than likely you’ll have to find a company to do the training with and pay for it out of your own pocket.
Its the same with agencies, they could even offer a course if they wished, but more than likely they’ll expect the driver to find a course and sort it out.
Alex
Yes you can go elsewhere for your 35 hours training it does not have to be with an employer! if you do not do the training and get your DQC ( driver qualification card) you will not be allowed to drive! the other thing is if you do 35hrs in week 1 of the first year you will then technically have to do any more training until week 52 2019!!!
Scarab:
Its like your drivers license, its entirely up to you to keep it up to date.Your employer can choose to train their drivers if they wish but there is no obligation for them to do so. Think of it a bit like the ADR course (only mandatory) if you need it for your job, the employer MAY pay for it, but more than likely you’ll have to find a company to do the training with and pay for it out of your own pocket.
Its the same with agencies, they could even offer a course if they wished, but more than likely they’ll expect the driver to find a course and sort it out.
Alex
thank for you input
i have heard that it could cost as much as £2k to do the 35 hours (don’t know if this is true)
delboy
I have been given a booklet by my office regarding the driver cpc. It’s not set in stone yet, but outlines the main idea and states a rough estimate of £100 per 7hr block per candidate.
If you do a Google & look around a bit, it seems apparent that there are few guidelines yet for trainers so companies are a bit vague about what they can offer. For example, a quick search brings up drivers-cpc.co.uk/LGVDriverCPC.htm - this quotes £155+vat per driver per 7 hour course (It isn’t clear but I’m guessing you need to multiply this by 5 for the full cost over 5 years) , but this is one of the few that gives a definitive cost for the card.
Personally, I’ll be in my mid/late-50’s by 2014 so I’m leaving it until then to decide whether I’ll do a week long crash course to continue driving or whether to give it up. I’m guessing that by that time the whole training system will have worked itself out for those outsiders - ie agency/self employed - & I figure it’s pointless worrying about it until nearer the date. Being agency you have to get used to being messed around, so this will just be another slight inconvenience that will have to be overcome at the time.
This is a very simple explanation for the two types of DRIVER CPC.
It deliberately does not go into any sort of detail as a lot of the details have not yet been finalised.
There are TWO types of DRIVER CPC.
The INITIAL (to get a C or C1 licence) & the PERIODIC (ongoing) for when you have the C1, C or C+E licence
The INITIAL driver cpc is purely for a C or C1 licence acquisition and is about the same as what is done now but with some senario questions added as an extra theory test and a half hour extra of questions about certain areas of safety which may include physically showing the examiner how to strap, chain, rope a load etc
The PERIODIC driver cpc is to be (unless they change it) an ATTENDANCE of 35 hours of training at an approved centre or with an approved trainer and can be done in 5 x 7 hour sessions - the 7 hour sessions can be split into 2 half consecutive days.( 2 x 3.5 hours)
I do not know what it will cover or consist of because the DSA etc have not finalised it yet 
If you have a C1, C or C+E licence on Sept 10 2009 then the 35 hours will need to be done by Sept 2014 to retain your right to drive for HIRE or REWARD - it does NOT affect your right to retain your LGV licence.
Those that pass the INITIAL driver cpc after Sept 10 2009 will have to do their PERIODIC driver cpc within 5 years from their pass date - the 5 year expiry date should be on the issued DRIVER CPC CARD.
The medical requirements will not change.
The upgrading to a C+E licence will not change from what it is now.
I Hope that I have managed to make things a little clearer and I regret that I cannot offer any more positive info than I have already put here 
thanks for your input dids,tallyman,Rog
There is no F…ing way im paying £155 + vat x 5 which equates to £910.63
If my company wont pay it then i’ll be hanging my keys up in 2014 as there is no way i can afford that
Reef:
There is no F…ing way im paying £155 + vat x 5 which equates to £910.63If my company wont pay it then i’ll be hanging my keys up in 2014 as there is no way i can afford that
Perhaps drivers wages will increase to compensate…
Any decent haulier will organise this for thier drivers, after all without it then they have no drivers. It should also work out cheaper for a haulier as they can book a course for several drivers at one go. However if I were one of these good hauliers and then I saw my drivers going off to hauliers who don’t train I might be a bit [zb]off.
I like the idea that part of the HGV training will include practical lessons on load security.
i hope i have a job with a decent employer byt hen as i will not be working for crappy agency rates while having to shell out nearly £1000 a year to work for them
agencys will have to start paying more by 2014.
had a 10 hr(i hr dinner) training session in classroom this week.our co have their own driver trainers,so no financial cost,but,jesus,how bored can one group of drivers get?basically goin over digi tachos,drivers hrs,working time hrs,highway code,mental attitude towards driving zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
these things could be covered in one simple booklet(they already are)and handed out to all hgv licence holders.if you carry specialist loads,using specialist equipment,yes you get training,but driving a fleet spc unit,pulling a 45ft tautliner with 26 pallets of foodstuffs on is hardly specialist!
another european directive cash cow for the average worker to put into mrthinks! 
had a 10 hr(i hr dinner) training session
I agree - how utterly boring - I bet after 1 to 2 hours nothing was going in
OK, all classroom if you are the shirt & tie office bod type but not for LGV drivers - unless it is made REALLY entertaining of course - use your own imagination…
Think i might start selling matchsticks outside the training centres, should make a fortune everyone’s got to keep their eye’s open somehow. 
mikewhi wrote:-
Think i might start selling matchsticks outside the training centres, should make a fortune everyone’s got to keep their eye’s open somehow.
Waste of time I think, as asfaik there is only a requirement to ‘attend’ for the period to qualify for the driver cpc - no need to stay awake at all! There is no pass or fail.
You know what the CPC stands for right?
Cash
Poor
Charlies
it’s just a way to grab yet more money from us. I can see why the initial is there, but the annual “how to ■■■■ eggs” training? Yeah… right… will I get an ADR or HIAB out of this training■■? Now… who has the flying pigs graphic??
Smart Mart:
mikewhi wrote:-
Think i might start selling matchsticks outside the training centres, should make a fortune everyone’s got to keep their eye’s open somehow.Waste of time I think, as asfaik there is only a requirement to ‘attend’ for the period to qualify for the driver cpc - no need to stay awake at all! There is no pass or fail.
From what I have read about it, you have to demonstrate an understanding and knowledge of what is covered in the training. Not just show up to have a nap. There is a pass/fail element involved, just no tests.
I read about it in T&D and it confused the hell out of me. I mean I hold both D and C+E so which one do I go for and will one cover the other■■? 
You only have to do one lot of periodic training which will cover both D and CE. The only problem is that 35 hours for the D has to be completed by 2013 whilst the CE will be 2014.