I’ve been giving this some thought recently after numerous people have posted that the whole thing is just a money making scam. Well just who is benefitting from it? The Govt will get a little bit of tax I suppose, HMRC will get a little bit of VAT I suppose, and some (not all) trainers will make a living I suppose, but it’s hardly going to reverse the trade deficit is it?
No, what I think is that some MEP sits on a board of a major player in the training business and some back room sharp suit has decided that this is the answer to their prayers.
Does anybody remember the BS5750 rubbish that was all the rage in the 80’s? That was caused by one of ICI’s directors who was also on the board of The British Standards Institute, and a bit of clever thinking got ICI to announce that any haulier working for them must be accredited. More companies jumped on the bandwagon thinking “surely this must be a good thing” thus more hauliers had to jump through ridiculous hoops to get their silly badge.
Peter Smythe:
‘…Driver cpc scam … If anyone has further information about these scams I’d be interested to hear…’
Yeah, from the top down, everything regurgitated over our industry by the British Government is invariably at the behest of the European Union and - to all intents and purposes - is by default fully endorsed by all Liberal, Labour, Green and Conservative politicians by their subordinated silence
Anyone heard of any UK Lib/Lab/Green/Con politician questioning the validity - let alone vetoing the non-value of the DCPC
I thought not - so by default they embrace it on behalf of you and all other constituents
Whilst EU membership & the DCPC is fundamentallly all undemocratic, the dictators that the electorate tribally endorse choose not to oppose any of it: Why
Only UKIP have the cajones to challenge it honestly
Yo Happy you’ve been sucke’ in-Remeber George C. Scott in Patton-“…make some other ■■■■■■■ die for his country.” This is still a CC (conservative country) the Baron Thatcher is right R.I.P.-food 4 thought-keeep ‘em workin’ an’ payin’ taxes. I AM ALRIGHT JACK(Peter Sellers)
Anyone not happy? Then whinge at your MP and rebuke yourself by standing in the corner with your hands on your head if you didn’t vote - or worse, voted Lib, Lab Green or Con
the maoster:
‘…I’ve been giving this some thought recently … Well just who is benefiting from it…?’
Easy: Whilst the DCPC is an almost invisible small-piece of ‘common-sense’ to the average European on his grey-faced train ride into Brussels, Telford, Roermond, Aalborg, Plzen, Naples, Karlovy Vary, etc, the European Union is silently & somewhat effectively marching us all into federalisation: That makes the DCPC our bit of Transport Diktat to meekly swallow to facilitate the dream of un-elected, often foreign civil servants with political ambitions that (probably) neither you nor your father’s father voted for
The ‘excuse’ that it’s using is a very tenuously linked lorry fire in an alpine tunnel that happened a zillion years ago - the sweet irony being that the Swiss neighbourhood in which it happened aren’t interested in being federalised, bless them
Although that answer might seem harmlessly innocuous and likely to draw an ‘aaah, that’s alright then’ response, be very aware that tiny grains of federalisation will eventually make the UK fully integrated within the bland, featureless desert of the European Union’s grand ambition as dreamt of by no-one that either you or I ever voted for
Do you know Maoster, I,d forgotten about that other “certification” BS5750 but I certainly remember it and the fuss it caused in the North West ,when many of the hauliers fell over themselves to get it and then at a later date when other firms had undercut them rate wise found that the loyalty that had been half promised them if they were " accredditted " was,nt forth coming.( still it looked good on the invoices while they waited 120 days for payment ) . In 40 odd years in the game I cant believe we keep falling for it maybe its "certified " we should be ( I put it down to inhaling too many Gardner fumes you know ) but what the h… we,ve got the R.H.A. and F.T.A fighting our corner so chins up and Forward…! By the way in answer to a previous question , you must have led a sheltered life , meet the man on the site in the morning, trackmachine 360 operator in the pub at night over a pint , must go my other half is shouting apparently special offer on rocking horse s… at the local garden centre ( good for the roses you know !)
Nobody learns anything, considering we’re so limited by the powers that be, as to what we can and can’t do. Technically if I attend 5 x 7 hour courses, that’s classed as other work, so it knackers up my weekend, and my availability to work
I used to be a training manager in a previous life, so if folk were learning anything, fair play. But if we can sit the same 7hrs five times, it makes it a total joke
burnie1:
So we have established that some of you would want a test at the end of the course.
I don’t want a test at the end of the course, I can see some value in a test but see no value in compulsory training attendance.
A test fine, compulsory training attendance no, have a test but scrap the course.
Because the dcpc should refresher training for most drivers then I would see that the training would have to stand. The ADR is both attendance and test.
burnie1:
So we have established that some of you would want a test at the end of the course.
I don’t want a test at the end of the course, I can see some value in a test but see no value in compulsory training attendance.
A test fine, compulsory training attendance no, have a test but scrap the course.
Because the dcpc should refresher training for most drivers then I would see that the training would have to stand. The ADR is both attendance and test.
You don’t have to have compulsory courses for training, you could train in your own time and simply take a test to show you’ve taken the trouble to keep up-to date.
There are very few things you can learn in a classroom that you cannot learn for free on the Internet these days.
ADR is an attendance course and courses like that could continue to be approved for the DCPC, in fact as I’ve said before courses that are regulated by recognised and credible regulatory bodies such as ADR, Moffet, FLT ec’t should automatically count towards the DCP with only the upload fee to pay over the top of the course.
The fact that recognised courses like that do not automatically count towards the DCPC just shows that the DCPC is about making money not training.
I have to say I agree with a lot of what has been said. But, we have the system which has been imposed on us. We can either get on with it or moan about it. It doesn’t look as though it will go away or even change a great deal.
As a trainer I have no beef with making a profit from the driver cpc. In the same way that JAUPT had no problem relieving me of £3000 the other day for centre re-registration and course re-registrations.
What peeves me more than anything is the statements that are made along the lines that no-one will learn anything, that it’s boring, poorly delivered and a total waste of time. To prove my point, I will offer 2 free places on a cpc course on Saturday 31st August. The course has the heady title of Law for the Driver. It deals with many of the rules/reg except drivers’ hours. All I ask is for whoever comes to put honest feedback on the forum. If it’s crap, so be it. But I’m clearly hoping it wont be! The offer is open to truck or bus drivers who must already hold cpc entitlement in some form ie grandfather rights or a pass on Mods 2 and 4.
It’s a straightforward offer - call me on 01623 620062 during office hours. 1st come 1st served.
Peter Smythe:
I have to say I agree with a lot of what has been said. But, we have the system which has been imposed on us. We can either get on with it or moan about it. It doesn’t look as though it will go away or even change a great deal.
Pete, I love you to bits & thank you for contributions to this forum.
But I have to disagree that we either get on with it or moan & whinge like TNUK’s malcontents. If we actually all agree that the DCPC is one great big bag of bollox, then we should all get our heads together & stop them from forcing it upon us.
It is bad legislation, very poorly thought out & extremely poorly implemented.
Peter Smythe:
I have to say I agree with a lot of what has been said. But, we have the system which has been imposed on us. We can either get on with it or moan about it. It doesn’t look as though it will go away or even change a great deal.
Pete, I love you to bits & thank you for contributions to this forum.
But I have to disagree that we either get on with it or moan & whinge like TNUK’s malcontents. If we actually all agree that the DCPC is one great big bag of bollox, then we should all get our heads together & stop them from forcing it upon us.
It is bad legislation, very poorly thought out & extremely poorly implemented.
Chas:
‘…Driver cpc scam … If they can get away with this, what comes next…?’
Easy-peasy:
The writing on the wall is screaming at fully-blown EU federalisation when it’ll perhaps one-day be properly acknowledged by the ‘meeja’ that we’re really ruled by grey-faced foreigners from beyond the Channel
Not much different from now - what with Cameron neatly whipped-in as the bed-wetting pee-boy of their England region
Nothing else can possibly come next
Obviously, the pond-life of the Lib/Lab/Green/Con will wriggle from acknowledging it thus - but it’s mildly amusing to hear their flimsy denials from comfy chairs at the BBC
I would have loved to attend the coarse if i lived closer .To find out if i know it all being an OD
and would have put in a genuine report of the coarse on here .
Peter Smythe:
BUT, when the trainers in question are caught (and they will be) their registers will be searched and the hours credited could well be cancelled.
All the best, Pete
Peter, who will catch them, who is enforcing standards, who is paying for this enforcement?
Having paid for and attended cpc courses for myself, I was left with the feeling that no-one (drivers, trainers, enforcement agencies, unions, government) gave a toss.
I am all in favour of any regulations which present a barrier to entry to this profession as long as market forces apply and wages respond accordingly
There may be prerequisites to acquiring a dcpc but a pulse is not one of them
anyone know the max penalty for getting stopped without the herbert cpc completed? it might be relevant to about 99% of the drivers like myself who dont give a toss?..most i know are much of the same opinion as myself,dont know,dont care etc…would be interesting to know the intended penalties just for the sake of it…■■
dieseldog999:
anyone know the max penalty for getting stopped without the herbert cpc completed? it might be relevant to about 99% of the drivers like myself who dont give a toss?..most i know are much of the same opinion as myself,dont know,dont care etc…would be interesting to know the intended penalties just for the sake of it…■■
Your gaffer might lose his O licence for not checking your elegibility to drive. Thats for a start
I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.
dieseldog999:
anyone know the max penalty for getting stopped without the herbert cpc completed? it might be relevant to about 99% of the drivers like myself who dont give a toss?..most i know are much of the same opinion as myself,dont know,dont care etc…would be interesting to know the intended penalties just for the sake of it…■■
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Failure to carry card, fixed penalty (£50) or £1000 fine.
Failure to have done relevant training, £1000 fine.
Forgery or false statement, prison sentence up to 2 years, fine or both.
