Nothing new in that you might say, and you’d be correct… The difference is that this week was the first whole 5-day week since the driver Periodic CPC came in.
There are a variety of courses that give you qualifying hours towards the 35hours training that you need to complete before Sept 2014.
This week, I was very pleased to hand 6 drivers their first CPC certificates for having completed an ADR course.
So, rather than having somebody teaching you how to ■■■■ eggs, there’s a very real possibility that (if you pick the right course ) you might actually learn something really useful. This might broaden your appeal to other employers and, on a good day, might even put you on a slightly higher hourly rate or give you more options. All this whilst fulfilling your 35hour training requirement.
Below is a picture of a Periodic CPC that has a credit of 21 hours. The driver to whom this certificate relates took the whole of the ADR course. (Core, Packs and seven UN Classes.)
Some of the other drivers who attended the course only needed Core, Packages and just UN Class 2, because they only ever deliver gas cylinders, so those folks got 14 hours credited instead of 21.
So this driver now only needs to do 14 more hours between now and Sept 2014, then he’ll be issued with his Driver Qualification Card (DQC.) If he were to do his 14 hours next week, he would have a DQC that’s valid until 2019.
Firstly, I hope you weren’t near me doing that course, otherwise the wife and I will not be pleased you didn’t let us know you were here good sir
Secondly, if they failed the course/certain modules, do they still get the full 21hours to go towards the CPC as they attended or do they have to pass it, i’m thinking the first option will be the case, but would just like to make sure
garnerlives:
if they failed the course/certain modules, do they still get the full 21hours to go towards the CPC as they attended or do they have to pass it, i’m thinking the first option will be the case, but would just like to make sure
I would say yes for the very reason you give
Wheel Nut:
Would an ADR for a bus driver be a good choice
As it would be designated a LGV course then the driver would need to have a LGV licence to have it counted for both
garnerlives:
Firstly, I hope you weren’t near me doing that course, otherwise the wife and I will not be pleased you didn’t let us know you were here good sir
Hi Jon,
That would be a fair comment mate, but the answer is that the course was a hometown gig for me.
There is a Northampton course in the planning stage as I write, and you’ll be the first to know about it as soon as it’s confirmed.
garnerlives:
Secondly, if they failed the course/certain modules, do they still get the full 21hours to go towards the CPC as they attended or do they have to pass it, i’m thinking the first option will be the case, but would just like to make sure
Now here’s the good part about driver CPC…
If our driver CPC candidate failed any/all of the ADR exams, he’d still get his full credited CPC hours, because driver CPC element isn’t subject to a formal assessment, so it’s just a case of turning up and collecting your CPC certificate.
Whether the guy passes the ADR exams (which are a formal assessment) is between him and SQA, but they are treated separately.
dieseldave:
Now here’s the good part about driver CPC…
If our driver CPC candidate failed any/all of the ADR exams, he’d still get his full credited CPC hours, because driver CPC element isn’t subject to a formal assessment, so it’s just a case of turning up and collecting your CPC certificate.
Whether the guy passes the ADR exams (which are a formal assessment) is between him and SQA, but they are treated separately.
Bang on correct…the driver CPC consists of training only (no test)…and he has recieved that.
dieseldave:
garnerlives wrote: Secondly, if they failed the course/certain modules, do they still get the full 21hours to go towards the CPC as they attended or do they have to pass it, i’m thinking the first option will be the case, but would just like to make sure
Jon are you suggesting that Dave has failures tut tut.
Data Academy:
Jon are you suggesting that Dave has failures tut tut.
Oh yes, sometimes a person can fail one or more ADR exams, but it’s very rare if I’ve taught them.
There are several reasons for failing an ADR exam, so it’s not always that the person had simply selected the wrong answers.
I think it’s a good idea to point out very clearly that the driver CPC certificates are awarded for having attended the course and completed the required hours of training. In the case of an ADR course, the exams are marked in Glasgow by SQA, whilst the ADR certificates are issued and posted out to the driver’s home address by DVLA Swansea.
dieseldave:
If he were to do his 14 hours next week, he would have a DQC that’s valid until 2019
Unless he has PCV & LGV in which case it would be valid to 10 Sept 2018
I put this in as many have both PCV & LGV and as the hours count for both then the PCV date takes preference for the DQC as it started on 10 Sept 2008
Beg to differ ROG but if a candidate holds both he IS given the run out date for the LGV 2019
IMPORTANT UPDATE
The DSA driver CPC section have just told me that if got grandfather rights on both PCV & LGV then BOTH expiry dates on the DQC will be 09 Sept 2019 - so an extra 1 year for free on the PCV.
Providing all the periodic training is done after 10 Sept 2009
chevmac:
just for your info ROG, they have been issuing cards with 2019 run out since NOV last year- thats how I know because i’ve trained them
Not like DSA to get it wrong
Thanks to you I rechecked with them - seems like they had 2 diferent takes on this and why it took some time for them to call me back with the answer now given
-----Original Message-----
From: ROG
Sent: 21 September 2009 13:10
To: DriverCPC
Subject: Aquired rights for PCV & LGV - DQC dates
I contacted Tracey this morning on the DSA driver cpc hotline (0191 201
8112) and she had to call me back with the answer as this was an ‘issue’
to which she had to investigate.
This was my question -
A driver has aquired rights for both PCV & LGV.
They do all their 35 hours of periodic training in 2010.
What date or dates will be on the DQC ?
The answer -
Both the PCV & LGV and the card expiry dates will all be 09 September
2019
Please can you confirm this as it seems odd that one extra year is being
given for the PCV !!
Thank you
ROG
Thank you for your email dated 21 September.
I have spoken to the department in question and they confirmed that the
information below is correct.
Please don’t hesitate to contact us again if you have any further
queries
dieseldave:
Below is a picture of a Periodic CPC that has a credit of 21 hours. The driver to whom this certificate relates took the whole of the ADR course. (Core, Packs and seven UN Classes.)
Some of the other drivers who attended the course only needed Core, Packages and just UN Class 2, because they only ever deliver gas cylinders, so those folks got 14 hours credited instead of 21.
Did this include tankers?
My ADR is due for renewal, I will be renewing 2, 3, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.1, 5.2, 6.1, 6.2, 8, and 9 but no tankers.
dieseldave:
So, rather than having somebody teaching you how to ■■■■ eggs, there’s a very real possibility that (if you pick the right course ) you might actually learn something really useful.
You mean that if you will have to train experienced drivers, you might learn something from them? That’s reminds me my computer classes from my high school…
dieseldave:
If he were to do his 14 hours next week, he would have a DQC that’s valid until 2019
Unless he has PCV & LGV in which case it would be valid to 10 Sept 2018
I put this in as many have both PCV & LGV and as the hours count for both then the PCV date takes preference for the DQC as it started on 10 Sept 2008
Would an ADR for a bus driver be a good choice, spose it would, if you wanted to set your passengers on fire
May need it to bring 334 litres of duty free whisky home or a big box of gas lighters
I thought that the (real) CPC was a little bit difficult but now I’m more confused by just reading what everyone’s on about here than I was when I first opened my home study pack 14 years ago.Anyway it took less than 14 hours of time out of my 45 minute breaks to understand what the national and international CPC was all about and I passed my exams first time just a couple of months or so after opening the books for the first time with no help from anyone.But this lot looks like an intensive course in Chinese and Russian language studies.What’s a DQC ■■ and what’s the connection between the CPC, ADR,PCV,LGV■■?.Maybe I missed the bit where they tried to tell us about the future issue of trailers full of immigrants.The question would have been something along the lines of wether a wagon and drag full of immigrants would be classed as a bendy bus regardless of wether it’s fitted with seats or not and would the driver need a tremcard which would account for any possible nasties carried by said immigrants.Anyway assuming I get back behind the wheel of a wagon in the future will my old real CPC cover me or do I have to try to understand what the xxxx everyone’s on about here for someone who only knows a world in which an HGV operator needs a CPC or a full time Transport Manager with one,but regardless of wether he’s an operator or not the driver of an HGV will need an HGV licence but may or may not need an ADR depending on the loads carried.
My ADR is due for renewal, I will be renewing 2, 3, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.1, 5.2, 6.1, 6.2, 8, and 9 but no tankers.
How many hour will this equate to?
Thanks in advance.
Hi Rew, The tanker module doesn’t count at all towards driver CPC, because DSA/JAUPT have decided that it’s a specialism, so no CPC hours for that I’m afraid.
Your refresher in Core, Packs and UN Classes 2,3,4,5,6,8&9 will count as seven hours towards your 35-hour requirement.
dieseldave:
So, rather than having somebody teaching you how to ■■■■ eggs, there’s a very real possibility that (if you pick the right course ) you might actually learn something really useful.
You mean that if you will have to train experienced drivers, you might learn something from them? That’s reminds me my computer classes from my high school…
Hi orys, An ADR refresher is for drivers who have to renew their entitlement, so I guess that might count as they’re experienced.
Having said that, I’d be a poor tutor if I thought I knew it all, especially when it comes to areas of knowlwdge in which a guy has more experience than myself.
Carryfast:
I thought that the (real) CPC was a little bit difficult but now I’m more confused by just reading what everyone’s on about here than I was when I first opened my home study pack 14 years ago.Anyway it took less than 14 hours of time out of my 45 minute breaks to understand what the national and international CPC was all about and I passed my exams first time just a couple of months or so after opening the books for the first time with no help from anyone.But this lot looks like an intensive course in Chinese and Russian language studies.What’s a DQC ■■ and what’s the connection between the CPC, ADR,PCV,LGV■■?.Maybe I missed the bit where they tried to tell us about the future issue of trailers full of immigrants.The question would have been something along the lines of wether a wagon and drag full of immigrants would be classed as a bendy bus regardless of wether it’s fitted with seats or not and would the driver need a tremcard which would account for any possible nasties carried by said immigrants.Anyway assuming I get back behind the wheel of a wagon in the future will my old real CPC cover me or do I have to try to understand what the xxxx everyone’s on about here for someone who only knows a world in which an HGV operator needs a CPC or a full time Transport Manager with one,but regardless of wether he’s an operator or not the driver of an HGV will need an HGV licence but may or may not need an ADR depending on the loads carried.
Hi Carryfast, I think you might have got the twp CPCs confused with each other mate…
The one you’re mentioning is the ‘operator’ CPC, which has been with us for many years.
The CPC being discussed in this topic is a new one called ‘driver CPC’ which is something else entirely.
) you might actually learn something really useful. This might broaden your appeal to other employers and, on a good day, might even put you on a slightly higher hourly rate or give you more options. All this whilst fulfilling your 35hour training requirement. 
If he were to do his 14 hours next week, he would have a DQC that’s valid until 2019. 
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