Driver CPC enforcement

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the maoster:

ROG:
You obviously have a personal agenda but you now have the way to check the info

Because I disagree with your stance on this I have a personal agenda?

Get real Rog. If I had a personal agenda I’d have posted something along the lines of “you post bollox about a fictional period of grace on the say so of some bint in a call centre you’ve never met and you put it here as gospel where many readers who may be in the position described take your every word at face value. The same readers who incidentally will face financial penalties if your advice is wrong, yet you’ll be unaffected as you can’t get your sorry arse out of your armchair to actually go to work”

There, how was that for a personal agenda?

I’ll make you a deal though Rog; if anybody in the UK falls foul and is subject to fines because they’ve attended all their DCPC but have yet to receive their card (which incidentally will no doubt be well reported) well in that case if YOU, yes YOU are prepared to put your money where your mouth is and reimburse them for their fines I will issue a grovelling apology to you and hail you as the new Messiah.

So you are saying that the experts on this at the DVSA are lying? - as I have spoken to 3 different ones and they all say the same then all 3 are lying - oh, and the managers etc they conferred with as well?

I do not get it when info is given and can be verified but some refuse to believe it - why don’t those dis-believers simply check for themselves :question:

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stevejones:
ye ok mr tachograph .your whole post was to do with wether or not a driver can drive without his dcpc as i said for the final time yes you can but if u think u cant gr8 stay at home and wind your own neck in i for 1 sure wont miss ya have a lovely day :grimacing:

stevejones, as a disinterested bystander, perhaps I can point out to you that nowhere does tachograph say you cannot drive without the card, his arguement is that there is no 15 day limit, and that you can drive as long as it takes for your card to arrive.

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Personally, unless there is a strike or something at DVLA, then I can see all getting their DQCs issued within 7 days because the system is done electronically - 35 hours inputted by trainers sets computer at DVLA to issue DQC - that’s how the system was explained to me about a year ago

It was also explained that any issues/errors are by the person doing the uploads as that is the human bit

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heraltius you 2 must be related . iv never heard a tacograph talk /and r u completely out of ur mind . i cannot believe how this simple subject is being discussed once again yessssss u can drive without your cpc card while waiting for it to arrive do me favour give somebody a ring :imp:

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stevejones:
heraltius you 2 must be related . iv never heard a tacograph talk /and r u completely out of ur mind . i cannot believe how this simple subject is being discussed once again yessssss u can drive without your cpc card while waiting for it to arrive do me favour give somebody a ring :imp:

Yes you can drive while waiting for the DQC to be delivered, that’s what we’re saying but apparently not what you’re reading :frowning:

I don’t know why you would suggest that Héraultais must be out of him mind, he’s read and understood the discussion taking place which apparently you haven’t :frowning:

Let me clarify it for you, ROG you and I agree that as long as you’ve completed the 35 hours training you can continue to drive while waiting for the DQC to arrive, the disagreement is only that ROG and you have said that you can only drive for 15 days while waiting for the DQC.
I’ve had an email from the DVSA which I’ve posted in another thread and linked to in this thread, that does not limit the time to 15 days, the automated message you get when phoning the DVSA CPC helpline doesn’t limit the driving time to 15 days either.

Apart from in your head there’s no disagreement between you ROG and me as to whether or not you can continue to drive while waiting for the DQC, it’s only the time limit we disagree about.

I hope that clarifies what we’re disgussing and what we disagree about.

Have a good evening :smiley:

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It is still illegal/an offence to drive without it and you are relying on enforcement on the ground being aware of this. Is there no official link to a government site confirming it is ok, as someone said on the phone doesn’t really seem good enough.

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Own Account Driver:
It is still illegal/an offence to drive without it and you are relying on enforcement on the ground being aware of this. Is there no official link to a government site confirming it is ok, as someone said on the phone doesn’t really seem good enough.

If you look on page 2 of this thread you’ll find a link to an email I had off the DVSA, I asked them if a driver completed the training but hadn’t received the DQC when the acquired rights ended would the driver be allowed to continue driving while waiting for the card to be delivered.

The regulations don’t specify that you can drive while waiting for the DQC to arrive, but they do say that if you’ve done part of your DCPC training abroad you can continue to drive once you’ve applied for the DCQ, presumably it would take a while to check the details of the training done abroad.
I basically asked if drivers who have done all the training in this country would be treated the same as those who have done some of the training abroad, the reply is yes you can continue to drive but are advised to carry the training certificates with you.
I will qualify this by adding that although it wasn’t mentioned in the email, personally I don’t think it would be a good idea to drive until the last training hours have been uploaded.

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tachograph:

Own Account Driver:
It is still illegal/an offence to drive without it and you are relying on enforcement on the ground being aware of this. Is there no official link to a government site confirming it is ok, as someone said on the phone doesn’t really seem good enough.

If you look on page 2 of this thread you’ll find a link to an email I had off the DVSA, I asked them if a driver completed the training but hadn’t received the DQC when the acquired rights ended would the driver be allowed to continue driving while waiting for the card to be delivered.

The regulations don’t specify that you can drive while waiting for the DQC to arrive, but they do say that if you’ve done part of your DCPC training abroad you can continue to drive once you’ve applied for the DCQ, presumably it would take a while to check the details of the training done abroad.
I basically asked if drivers who have done all the training in this country would be treated the same as those who have done some of the training abroad, the reply is yes you can continue to drive but are advised to carry the training certificates with you.
I will qualify this by adding that although it wasn’t mentioned in the email, personally I don’t think it would be a good idea to drive until the last training hours have been uploaded.

Yep, I’ve seen the bit re certificates. I don’t doubt in most cases it would be fine but the law as written remains there and it all seems to have a bit of a risk of a scenario like one copper telling you it’s ok to drive down the hard shoulder only, after a communications breakdown, for a different copper to then give you a ticket.

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for f.s…e give in talleyho

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stevejones:
for f.s…e give in talleyho

I can only conclude you are on a wind-up, as nobody who can read and understand english could be so thick as to not understand that Rog, Tachograph and myself all agree with you.

So to re-iterate, we all agree that having completed your final hours DCPC, you can drive without having received your card, but best to keep course completion certificates with you.

You are a wind-up merchant, and I claim my five pounds :laughing:

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I’m a transport manager, this is the email I have received automatically off DVSA Direct a few minutes ago.

Driver CPC deadline reached

The deadline for lorry drivers with acquired rights to finish their first 35 hours of Driver CPC periodic training has now passed.

Yesterday (9 September 2014) was the deadline for existing lorry drivers to finish their first 35 hours of training.

This means that from today (10 September 2014), all professional lorry, bus or coach drivers on Great Britain’s roads have proved their skills and taken training to keep themselves up to date.

Most drivers met the deadline

The latest figures show that 664,000 drivers have now done their first block of training. This compares to industry estimates suggesting there are between 425,000 and 675,000 professional drivers in Great Britain.

Drivers who haven’t finished their training

If you had acquired rights and haven’t yet completed 35 hours of periodic training, you’re not allowed to drive professionally again until you complete it.

Any training you’ve already done stays valid for 5 years from the date you took the course, and isn’t lost because of the deadline.

You can check your Driver CPC periodic training hours and find approved training courses online.

Driver qualification card

You get a driver qualification card (DQC) when you pass the Driver CPC initial qualification or complete 35 hours of periodic training.

You must carry this while driving a large goods vehicle or passenger-carrying vehicle professionally.

You can get a £50 fixed penalty for driving professionally without having your DQC with you.

Waiting for your DQC

You can still drive professionally if you’ve just completed your periodic training and you’re waiting for your DQC to arrive.

You should contact the training centre where you did your training if it isn’t showing on your record 5 days after taking it.

Lost, stolen or damaged DQC

You must email DVSA if your DQC has been lost, stolen or damaged.

Find out more about the DQC

Enforcing Driver CPC

Driving without a DQC, or failing to produce it, carries a maximum fine of £1,000 for both the driver and the operator licence holder.

These offences will be referred to the Traffic Commissioner who will then consider what action to take. This could include suspending the driver’s licence and/or the operator’s licence.

More about this story

You can read more about the Driver CPC deadline being reached, including reactions from Alastair Peoples (DVSA Chief Executive), the Traffic Commissioners, and the Freight Transport Association and Road Haulage Association.

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Isn’t there a correlation between “those who thought DCPC would never happen” and “those who thought Scotland would never become independent”?

A few short weeks ago, everyone was going to let both of these issues just come along, and pass on by - thinking the status quo will prevail, and nothing would change on the day.

Now look at the shambles some are finding… Still not got their cards, not done the courses, not done enough courses, can’t book a course for love or money, worried about law enforcement, convinced there isn’t going to be any, ■■■■■■■■ themselves all around the M25 in case they get pulled…

Kinda makes the “It’s never gonna happen” brigade of the DCPC implementation look like our mainstream political party leaders right now eh? :sunglasses:

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Conor:

Harry Monk:

Conor:
You cannot take two consecutive reduced weekly rests.

It wasn’t a decent enough course to be able to make you understand tachograph regs though? :stuck_out_tongue:

From VOSA "Rules on Driver Hours and Tachographs:
gov.uk/government/uploads/s … europe.pdf

Page 22, weekly rest:

"In any two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks a driver must take at least:
two regular weekly rests; or
one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest.

Thank you for confirming you don’t know basic EU drivers hours regs.

You have found, read and quoted the correct legislation, and failed to understand it. Drivers hours regs give minimum requirements for breaks and rest periods, hence the use of the words"at least" in the quote you used. You could work two days, have 24 hours off, work another 2 days, have ANOTHER 24 hours off…then work six days…as long as you have your full 45 before the fixed 2 week period is up. There’s your 2 consecutive reduced weekly rests, and its perfectly legal.

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What the regs are saying is that for each fixed week (sunday midnight to sunday midnight) there must be a weekly rest used for it and that weekly rest must be at least 1 minute in that fixed week

Every other fixed week must have a regular weekly rest used for it

There can be many weekly rests in a fixed week but only the one chosen by the driver to be used for it is the one which counts for the weekly rest rules
The other weekly rests not used for a fixed week are simply there to reset the 144 hour (6x24 hour periods) rule and those weekly rests do not need compensating for if they are reduced ones

I hope I have explained this in a way which makes sense in some sort of plain English

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Conor:

Harry Monk:

Conor:
You cannot take two consecutive reduced weekly rests.

It wasn’t a decent enough course to be able to make you understand tachograph regs though? :stuck_out_tongue:

From VOSA "Rules on Driver Hours and Tachographs:
gov.uk/government/uploads/s … europe.pdf

Page 22, weekly rest:

"In any two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks a driver must take at least:
two regular weekly rests; or
one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest.

Thank you for confirming you don’t know basic EU drivers hours regs.

Ahem.

Thank you for confirming you don’t know basic EU drivers hours regs. :stuck_out_tongue: