Whilst loading in warrington yesterday, got talkin to a guy who was driving an Italian registered truck, by the way he was english, any way driver CPC was mentioned, and he reacons that current Italian hgv licence holders are not required to do this cpc. any one know if this is correct and is there any other EU countries doing the same.
I can believe this because we all know EU law gets interpretaded differently all over.
Is there a clause saying current LGV licence holders are not requiered to take the driver CPC?
At a guess this driver has exchanged his uk licence for an Italian one.
The legislation is for ALL EU drivers
If an EU country wants to ignore it then they are in for a very hefty fine and their drivers will be stopped from driving in other EU countries if they cannot produce a DQC after 09/09/2014
it is the same in Ireland. existing drivers can’t be made to do it.
limeyphil:
it is the same in Ireland. existing drivers can’t be made to do it.
If that is correct then those drivers will not be able to drive anywhere else in the EU except Ireland after 09/09/2014
ROG:
limeyphil:
it is the same in Ireland. existing drivers can’t be made to do it.If that is correct then those drivers will not be able to drive anywhere else in the EU except Ireland after 09/09/2014
Don’t know ROG. you could be right.
it is in the irish constitution. the state may not take away a mans right to make his living. or something like that.
companies have kept their o’licences because of the constitution. once issued, they can’t be taken away, however they do run out after 5 years, and they refuse to renew them.
the same argument can be used for driving licences. if you need to do a dcpc to carry on your normal job, then the state is stopping you from doing your job. this is of course quite different for new drivers
Directive 2003/59/EC of the European Parliament
Article 14
Transposition and implementation
- Member States shall bring into force the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to comply with this Directive before 10 September 2006. They shall forthwith inform the Commission thereof.
When Member States adopt these measures, they shall contain a reference to this Directive or shall be accompanied by such reference on the occasion of their official publication. The methods of making such reference shall be laid down by Member States.
- Member States shall apply these measures:
from 10 September 2008 as regards the initial qualification required to drive vehicles in licence categories D1, D1+E, D and D+E;
from 10 September 2009 as regards the initial qualification required to drive vehicles in licence categories C1, C1+E, C and C+E.
Member States shall forthwith inform the Commission thereof and shall assist each other in applying these measures.
I’m not very good at reading law but it seems that ALL EU member states MUST do this…
ROG:
Directive 2003/59/EC of the European ParliamentArticle 14
Transposition and implementation
- Member States shall bring into force the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to comply with this Directive before 10 September 2006. They shall forthwith inform the Commission thereof.
When Member States adopt these measures, they shall contain a reference to this Directive or shall be accompanied by such reference on the occasion of their official publication. The methods of making such reference shall be laid down by Member States.
- Member States shall apply these measures:
from 10 September 2008 as regards the initial qualification required to drive vehicles in licence categories D1, D1+E, D and D+E;
from 10 September 2009 as regards the initial qualification required to drive vehicles in licence categories C1, C1+E, C and C+E.
Member States shall forthwith inform the Commission thereof and shall assist each other in applying these measures.
I’m not very good at reading law but it seems that ALL EU member states MUST do this…
Hi ROG,
Articles 1, 2 and 3 are the nitty-gritty, and Article 14 is what requires the member states to implement it within a timescale.
Without reading the whole thing, an educated guess tells me that there seems to be very little available to the member states in the way of opt outs , so I tend to agree with you… unless somebody knows better and provides a link to reputable info. 
so as an example if a company from a non eu country wanted to deliver into an eu country how would they go about it, would they have to train up a driver just to drive on an eu country?
dustylfc:
so as an example if a company from a non eu country wanted to deliver into an eu country how would they go about it, would they have to train up a driver just to drive on an eu country?
ONLY drivers from EU countries driving in the EU MUST have a DQC after 09/09/2014.
So lets all Relocate to Turkey, have fixed addresses there anyways, have a Turkish licence and we’ll be ok, we can run in this country without the CPC… Id say if drivers stuck together, which aint gonna happen, but if they did, and didnt do this stupid CPC, then the government would certainly back track… Its the same if hauliers stuck together RE the fuel prices instead of geting on with it and moaning…
we have to do it in spain but its very expensive so i’m going to wait until the last minute and either i will have found a different job or won the lottery and therefore won’t need it 
scottishcruiser:
So lets all Relocate to Turkey, have fixed addresses there anyways, have a Turkish licence and we’ll be ok, we can run in this country without the CPC… Id say if drivers stuck together, which aint gonna happen, but if they did, and didnt do this stupid CPC, then the government would certainly back track… Its the same if hauliers stuck together RE the fuel prices instead of geting on with it and moaning…
Is it down to the UK Govt or the EU Parliament 
MUST DO IT = EU Parliament
COST to do it = UK Govt
scottishcruiser:
So lets all Relocate to Turkey, have fixed addresses there anyways, have a Turkish licence and we’ll be ok, we can run in this country without the CPC… Id say if drivers stuck together, which aint gonna happen, but if they did, and didnt do this stupid CPC, then the government would certainly back track… Its the same if hauliers stuck together RE the fuel prices instead of geting on with it and moaning…
By 2014 Turkey will probably be close to being EU members anyway so the DCPC will still be needed 
Wheelnut, probably not now Greece has gone bust Turkey stand no chance.
If you wait long enough the French will do there thing and the cpc wil be srapped
If EU drivers just said not doing it ■■■■ and fan spring to mind
brett73:
If you wait long enough the French will do there thing and the cpc wil be srapped
I think you might find that the rest of the EU are simply copying a French idea, cos the French have had the idea of periodic driver training for quite a few years.
brett73:
If EU drivers just said not doing it [zb] and fan spring to mind
Ahh, so you mean that we should all stick together like the French do? 
brett73:
If you wait long enough the French will do there thing and the cpc wil be srapped
The French have had this for many years, and it is probably because of them that it is being introduced to the rest of the EU, so don’t hold your breath waiting for them to do their thing, whatever that might be.
disgo:
Wheelnut, probably not now Greece has gone bust Turkey stand no chance.
Greece were almost bust when they joined the EU in 1981 but they have survived on agricultural & transport subsidies, discounted road tax and cheap labour. They had important links in shipping and tourism, both of which have been affected by the downturn in world trade.
It is quite worrying that Greece can borrow £35 Billion from the EU and IMF to be solvent again, yet Britain is already in debt by £153 Billion 
i was talking to a dutchman at immingham lorry park a couple a weeks ago about driver cpc . he said he nothing about any sort of training for drivers in holland
gazzap:
i was talking to a dutchman at immingham lorry park a couple a weeks ago about driver cpc . he said he nothing about any sort of training for drivers in holland
The Dutch have a “Chauffeurs Diploma” already since the 80’s, and are always well respected in Europe as an educated and trained specialist, you need it there before you even can drive a truck above 7.5ton (Cost for yourself approx 700-800 euro + if you do it fast 12-14 full days)
Taken from another post from a well respected member of these forums. Anyone who has ever had help from a Dutch driver will tell you how they do the job correctly.
Even the Hungarians had to do a mechanical course in the workshops before being given a licence. Hungarocamion drivers were some of the best in Eastern Europe.
There isn’t anything wrong with training drivers properly to do their job both efficiently and safely, the DCPC and its hierarchy are just the wrong way to do it in my opinion.