stevieboy308:
Just seen this on facey0
Presuming said passenger is insured to drive that vehicle though ? What happens then if passenger is not insured to drive but puts card in slot 2 ?
Also my 3.5 tonne sprinter driver is off on Monday so I’ll be taking it out with trailer and although in scope of eu tach rules I will not be taking my dcpc card ,is that wrong ?
Punchy Dan:
stevieboy308:
Just seen this on facey0
Presuming said passenger is insured to drive that vehicle though ? What happens then if passenger is not insured to drive but puts card in slot 2 ?
That would be a defence / reason not to put it in, as they are not being carried as part of their duties to be available for driving if it became necessary.
In the link I posted earlier on go the other thread that contains the long email conversation with the dvsa over this that is 1 of the reasons she said would mean you wouldn’t need to.
No you wouldn’t need your DCPC in the sprinter as you know, but personally I just have it in my wallet all the time along with my Digi card, no ■■■■ ups then
robroy:
stevieboy308:
Just seen this on facey0
Ah well, looks like they’ve dug a bit deeper and found yet another good excuse for a reason to extort money out of us,.
… and put another nail in the coffin of a job as a truck driver.
I can’t for the life of me think why the job attracts far fewer people to what it once did…anybody??
It’s good for the wages then!
stevieboy308:
Punchy Dan:
stevieboy308:
Just seen this on facey0
Presuming said passenger is insured to drive that vehicle though ? What happens then if passenger is not insured to drive but puts card in slot 2 ?
That would be a defence / reason not to put it in, as they are not being carried as part of their duties to be available for driving if it became necessary.
Ill play Devils advocate.
You a HGV driver are in a vehicle, with a tacho slot available. You are not using it. Why?
You say youre not insured to drive it? So what? You are not recording your activity although you can. Your intention to drive it later is NOT relevant. Maybe youve run out of driving hours for the day and are being taken back to base. No intention of driving there either, but you are at work, so must record it.
You find it too much of a faff to put a card in a slot? Well, who will believe you will follow the rules and do a manual entry later?
Franglais:
stevieboy308:
Punchy Dan:
stevieboy308:
Just seen this on facey0
Presuming said passenger is insured to drive that vehicle though ? What happens then if passenger is not insured to drive but puts card in slot 2 ?
That would be a defence / reason not to put it in, as they are not being carried as part of their duties to be available for driving if it became necessary.
I
ll play Devils advocate.You a HGV driver are in a vehicle, with a tacho slot available. You are not using it. Why?
You say youre not insured to drive it? So what? You are not recording your activity although you can. Your intention to drive it later is NOT relevant. Maybe youve run out of driving hours for the day and are being taken back to base. No intention of driving there either, but you are at work, so must record it.
You find it too much of a faff to put a card in a slot? Well, who will believe you will follow the rules and do a manual entry later?
Yes you’d need to record that time, but it doesn’t need recording in real time,
A 7.5t driver as a passenger in a artic at work, he’s not available to drive it, so doesn’t need to put his card in, but when he gets in his 7.5t later in the day he needs to record that time spent cat work in the srtic
stevieboy308:
Franglais:
stevieboy308:
Punchy Dan:
Presuming said passenger is insured to drive that vehicle though ? What happens then if passenger is not insured to drive but puts card in slot 2 ?That would be a defence / reason not to put it in, as they are not being carried as part of their duties to be available for driving if it became necessary.
I
ll play Devils advocate.You a HGV driver are in a vehicle, with a tacho slot available. You are not using it. Why?
You say youre not insured to drive it? So what? You are not recording your activity although you can. Your intention to drive it later is NOT relevant. Maybe youve run out of driving hours for the day and are being taken back to base. No intention of driving there either, but you are at work, so must record it.
You find it too much of a faff to put a card in a slot? Well, who will believe you will follow the rules and do a manual entry later?Yes you’d need to record that time, but it doesn’t need recording in real time,
A 7.5t driver as a passenger in a artic at work, he’s not available to drive it, so doesn’t need to put his card in, but when he gets in his 7.5t later in the day he needs to record that time spent cat work in the srtic
Sorry, but I don`t see that.
Where is being available to drive relevant please?
(Done 10hrs drive, being returned to base in passenger seat Im not available to drive, so could I leave card out? No tug by the law on the drive back? So why not just ignore the manual entry bit....just pretend the time in the seat was part of daily rest....you get the picture. Why would a copper seeing that you cant be arsed to put a card in a slot, believe that you will do a manual entry later?)
You can’t be done for something you might not do in the future!
Let’s just agree the rules are unnecessary complicated and full of stupidity.
I suspect they will only get worse after brexit as well…
stevieboy308:
You can’t be done for something you might not do in the future!
When stopped as a passenger, is your card up to date?
You wont be busted for failing to update it later, before taking over a vehicle. Youll be busted for failing to keep an up to date record although there is a method (an empty slot) available.
At least thats how I reckon a cop would see it! He sees you at work, and that isnt being recorded although it could be.
Franglais:
stevieboy308:
You can’t be done for something you might not do in the future!When stopped as a passenger, is your card up to date?
You wont be busted for failing to update it later, before taking over a vehicle. Youll be busted for failing to keep an up to date record although there is a method (an empty slot) available.At least that
s how I reckon a cop would see it! He sees you at work, and that isnt being recorded although it could be.
There is no such offence! Or requirement to keep upto date records in that scenario
You may not even need to record it full stop, let’s say the 7.5t driver is covering a porter role all week in the artic, he has no requirement to make any records for the EU regs for a week that he doesn’t do any driving under the EU regs. So how could he possibly be done for failing to keep an upto date record although there’s a method available if he doesn’t need to make a record at all??
If he the jumped in his 7.5t on Saturday morning after portering all week, then at that point and that point only would he need to make records for the previous work carried out, if he doesn’t it’s an offence, but if he does it’s perfectly legal
stevieboy308:
Franglais:
stevieboy308:
You can’t be done for something you might not do in the future!When stopped as a passenger, is your card up to date?
You wont be busted for failing to update it later, before taking over a vehicle. Youll be busted for failing to keep an up to date record although there is a method (an empty slot) available.At least that
s how I reckon a cop would see it! He sees you at work, and that isnt being recorded although it could be.There is no such offence! Or requirement to keep upto date records in that scenario
You may not even need to record it full stop, let’s say the 7.5t driver is covering a porter role all week in the artic, he has no requirement to make any records for the EU regs for a week that he doesn’t do any driving under the EU regs. So how could he possibly be done for failing to keep an upto date record although there’s a method available if he doesn’t need to make a record at all??
If he the jumped in his 7.5t on Saturday morning after portering all week, then at that point and that point only would he need to make records for the previous work carried out, if he doesn’t it’s an offence, but if he does it’s perfectly legal
Surely it needs recording regardless of Saturday morning to show the weekly rest and the other work for the 48 hour working time? On that part I would use the taco so it records the poa
kcrussell25:
stevieboy308:
Franglais:
stevieboy308:
You can’t be done for something you might not do in the future!When stopped as a passenger, is your card up to date?
You wont be busted for failing to update it later, before taking over a vehicle. Youll be busted for failing to keep an up to date record although there is a method (an empty slot) available.At least that
s how I reckon a cop would see it! He sees you at work, and that isnt being recorded although it could be.There is no such offence! Or requirement to keep upto date records in that scenario
You may not even need to record it full stop, let’s say the 7.5t driver is covering a porter role all week in the artic, he has no requirement to make any records for the EU regs for a week that he doesn’t do any driving under the EU regs. So how could he possibly be done for failing to keep an upto date record although there’s a method available if he doesn’t need to make a record at all??
If he the jumped in his 7.5t on Saturday morning after portering all week, then at that point and that point only would he need to make records for the previous work carried out, if he doesn’t it’s an offence, but if he does it’s perfectly legal
Surely it needs recording regardless of Saturday morning to show the weekly rest and the other work for the 48 hour working time? On that part I would use the taco so it records the poa
You could use as a way to record working time for the wtd, but you could also use other methods.
In my job I usually drive under EU for 2 weeks then do 2 weeks non driving, legally I don’t need any records for the EU regs on the 2 non driving weeks
stevieboy308:
You could use as a way to record working time for the wtd, but you could also use other methods.In my job I usually drive under EU for 2 weeks then do 2 weeks non driving, legally I don’t need any records for the EU regs on the 2 non driving weeks
Don’t you need to record your finish time on non EU regs week to demonstrate you have had the relevant weekly rest period?
This comes up in the newbies forum for guys doing weekend agency work around other jobs and the view is that you need to record your weekly rests even though the other work is non driving related
kcrussell25:
stevieboy308:
You could use as a way to record working time for the wtd, but you could also use other methods.In my job I usually drive under EU for 2 weeks then do 2 weeks non driving, legally I don’t need any records for the EU regs on the 2 non driving weeks
Don’t you need to record your finish time on non EU regs week to demonstrate you have had the relevant weekly rest period?
This comes up in the newbies forum for guys doing weekend agency work around other jobs and the view is that you need to record your weekly rests even though the other work is non driving related
There’s no requirement too, it may be a best practice or good idea too and would speed things up if stopped
I always have a full record with me as I use an app to clock in and out on my phone and I always take a picture of my actual clock cards at the end of the week.
Any legally needed records I manually enter or write on a printout as I drive a truck with a 1st gen Digi so they’re a bit of a nightmare for doing multiple entries. Newer ones are a lot easier and quicker