Hi boys thanks for answers. Reason why I did not stick it in slot 2 was because it is usual thing to wait for lift even 1 hour sometimes and then it takes about 30 to 40 min. to get to workshop and even there I may still need to wait sometime not always. So I would need to do manual entry before he takes me anywhere and I don’t think it’s going to happen if I tell him pop your card out 
. because I dont think I can do manual entry in slot 2
Franglais:
adam277:
Londontrucker123:
stevieboy308:
If you got a lift in a truck that you were licenced to drive, then legally you needed to put your card in slot 2 for that journeySorry, this is not correct. Some class 2’s have 3 seats, so what if you were carrying 2 drivers to, for example, workshop etc.?
Its an obvious flaw in the rules that just highlights how stupid they are. Doesn’t mean stevie is not correct.
That being said biggriffin is bang on the money.If there is an available slot in the tacho, you use it. If no slot is available, you can’t, so do a manual entry later.
And Stevie is clearly correct. Getting a fine for incorrect use of card and failing to keep records may not be very likely, but why take a chance?
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Keep your card clean so you can extend your working day? It’s an option, but not for me thanks.Sent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk
And when you remove your card doesn’t the remaining driver then have to take their daily rest ■■
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pompo82:
I dont think I can do manual entry in slot 2
Your thinking is incorrect - you can do a manual entry when using Slot 2 (oo-err…). The procedure is exactly the same as when using Slot 1.
Roymondo:
pompo82:
I dont think I can do manual entry in slot 2Your thinking is incorrect - you can do a manual entry when using Slot 2 (oo-err…). The procedure is exactly the same as when using Slot 1.
OK will check it up thanks 
pompo82:
Hi boys thanks for answers. Reason why I did not stick it in slot 2 was because it is usual thing to wait for lift even 1 hour sometimes and then it takes about 30 to 40 min. to get to workshop and even there I may still need to wait sometime not always. So I would need to do manual entry before he takes me anywhere and I don’t think it’s going to happen if I tell him pop your card out
Yep you can do manual entries in slot 2, so no issues there!
grumpyken52:
And when you remove your card doesn’t the remaining driver then have to take their daily rest ■■Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
Only if they’d been operating as multi manned all that shift other than the 1st hour and they were over 13 hours of duty or over 15 if they had a reduced rest available and there was no other driver available to accompany them
Why isn’t it other work?
I was sat in the workshop yard for an hour today waiting for another driver to pick me up… I couldn’t go anywhere, my time wasnt freely disposed… I was at work… working. Does it matter if I’m sat on my arse stationary, or sat on my arse moving… I’m still working.
109LWB:
Why isn’t it other work?
I was sat in the workshop yard for an hour today waiting for another driver to pick me up… I couldn’t go anywhere, my time wasnt freely disposed… I was at work… working. Does it matter if I’m sat on my arse stationary, or sat on my arse moving… I’m still working.
You were at work, and (presumably) being paid for your time. But you were not working…
Put all ideas about “being freely able to dispose of your time” out of your head - that term is only relevant when considering daily/weekly Rest periods.
stevieboy308:
eurotrans:
robroy:
biggriffin:
Get in passenger seat, get driven to collect truck, get in the truck to drive it back, put card in,orNot, and carry on. Sod all this Manuel entry bolllixs and should I or shouldn’t I do this, as long as your being paid. All the plobbers and blue chipper drivers will tell you to put this here, use slot 2 Hanna yabba yabba,Agree wholeheartedly mate, thing is though the ‘‘World of theory men’’ rule the roost these days, they’re attempting (and succeeding
) to brainwash everybody, and common sense is now out of the window.
I just play the forkers at their own game these days, and don’t give them the satisfaction of them getting one over me, and making their sad little day.
After saying that, a lift to pick up my truck ?..nah, wouldn’t bother my arse either…most I would do maybe is write on printout at end of day taking the lift time in my 13 hours, and not over it, but only if I could be arsed.I’m with you there rob why go through all the faff of putting a card in slot 2 on a motor you have no intention of driving then taking it out then there will be a gap in the times before you put it back in your motor,seems a lot of effort for sod all to me
Your choice people, but it’s not for sod all, it’s to stop an albeit small chance of a £300 quid fine, you may not agree with having to put your card in, you might think it’s pointless, but the EU regs / dvsa say it has to be in and if stopped and it’s not it’s gonna cost you £300 for failing to use your card, it’s that simple.
Risk : reward
Slim chance of a £300 fine plus potential of failing to record other work
Reward - save the time it takes to put it in,
If at the beginning of a shift so you can work longer than a 15 etc
All you proper people claiming he must put his card in slot 2 are talking rubbish, because as soon as he does that it becomes a double drive and as such when he arrives at workshop and removes his card driver 1 must also end his card as you cannot continue as a single drive so your talking rubbish defo do not put in slot 2
stevieboy308:
grumpyken52:
And when you remove your card doesn’t the remaining driver then have to take their daily rest ■■Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
Only if they’d been operating as multi manned all that shift other than the 1st hour and they were over 13 hours of duty or over 15 if they had a reduced rest available and there was no other driver available to accompany them
The first hour is to collect a driver not collect and drop off as you please
Sorry robthedog, it ain’t me talking rubbish!!
You’re misunderstanding multi Manning.
If you go over the single manned duty whilst multi Manning, then you need to be accompanied for the rest of your shift by any driver, could be a different driver than the 1 you’ve been with all shift, as he might be finishing!
If you haven’t gone over the 13/15 then it’s irrelevant if you’ve spent any of the shift multi Manning, so don’t need to be accompanied by any driver for the rest of your shift
The rules are rubbish.
I don’t insert my card in the 2nd slot unless I intend to drive that day.
I also couldn’t give a crap if I picked up a driver and he didn’t put his card in, long as he doesn’t drive.
Regardless what the rules are this is what I and the majority do.
I’ve also yet to here an actual case of someone being fined for this.
Also double manning ■■■■■ balls never do it ever. Who the heck wants to be in a cab all day with another dude.
Also I hope I get the fine as it might drill finally in to my head that truck driver aint worth the Ballache.
adam277:
The rules are rubbish.I don’t insert my card in the 2nd slot unless I intend to drive that day.
I also couldn’t give a crap if I picked up a driver and he didn’t put his card in, long as he doesn’t drive.Regardless what the rules are this is what I and the majority do.
I’ve also yet to here an actual case of someone being fined for this.Also double manning ■■■■■ balls never do it ever. Who the heck wants to be in a cab all day with another dude.
Also I hope I get the fine as it might drill finally in to my head that truck driver aint worth the Ballache.
Got to agree mate, this type of discussion just illustrates how all these different rules and regs on tachographs is just pure dog ■■■■. 
The whole thing needs rubbed out and started again, in favour of a easier to understand and easier to manage system.
The format is far too complicated to remember everything, and the hours you are allowed to work are ■■■■ ridiculous, … and has no corrolation whatsoever to do with Health and Safety in real terms…I’m still laughing at the comment of it being a ‘‘reward’’ that doing some crap can let you work LONGER thsn 15 hours…I mean ffs!
It’s at the stage where most drivers are treating limits to working, as not limits but targets, and they are tying themselves in knots trying to navigate around the whole complicated cluster ■■■■ of tacho rules to avoid getting done, and many are ■■■■ ing their kecks if they go 5 mins over or something.
It aint that I’m too thick to learn all this crap off by heart, it’s just that I aint interested enough to learn it all, lifes too short.
I could not make a manual ■■■■ entry for a free ■■■■ up, I’ve never needed to, and would only ever find out how if it was for a wages situation, so I work on a what I NEED to know basis, and get by fine with no infringements.
Let’s get back to the days of a 12.5 hour spreadover, with 1 longer shift per week as a ‘get out of jail free’ card, and demand a wage review to fit it,.
Result?..Century 21 t.s & c.s in the job, safer on the roads, and a reduction of stress and heart attacks among the ■■■■ teararsing ‘‘heroes’’ in the job…the ones who say crap like ‘‘Nature of the job/’‘If you can’t hack it’’…and the classic ‘‘That’s the way it’s always been’’ …absolute ■■■■■■■■ ! 
Come on Rob, you’re bright enough to work out the context of which I said a reward to work more than 15.
But I’ll spell it out, you must have heard of risk reward ratio?
When deciding whether to do something or not, what am I potentially going to lose and what’s the chances of that happening versus what am I going to get out of it. on the example of not recording say the 1st hour at work, then for someone who wants too, they could book 16 hours whilst looking legal on the tacho.
I used reward because it’s the risk reward ratio, didn’t think I’d need to explain it, but there ya go…!
stevieboy308:
Come on Rob, you’re bright enough to work out the context of which I said a reward to work more than 15.But I’ll spell it out, you must have heard of risk reward ratio?
When deciding whether to do something or not, what am I potentially going to lose and what’s the chances of that happening versus what am I going to get out of it. on the example of not recording say the 1st hour at work, then for someone who wants too, they could book 16 hours whilst looking legal on the tacho.
I used reward because it’s the risk reward ratio, didn’t think I’d need to explain it, but there ya go…!
I wasn’t ridiculing you personally mate tbf, because as you clearly said ‘‘SOME would see it as a reward’’.
I just realised that sadly you were right.
If I took half an hour to do something ‘‘off card’’ (shock horror 
) I would book it as wages and do half an hour less than the max shift ‘on card’…even record it on a printout.
15 hours is more than enough for anyone, that was my point.
Roymondo:
109LWB:
Why isn’t it other work?
I was sat in the workshop yard for an hour today waiting for another driver to pick me up… I couldn’t go anywhere, my time wasnt freely disposed… I was at work… working. Does it matter if I’m sat on my arse stationary, or sat on my arse moving… I’m still working.You were at work, and (presumably) being paid for your time. But you were not working…
Put all ideas about “being freely able to dispose of your time” out of your head - that term is only relevant when considering daily/weekly Rest periods.
Who decides what “working” is? Some days I’m driving all day, sometimes I’m sat in the yard all day waiting for a delivery or collection. Some days I’m told to go collect something for the boss and take it to his house. As far as I’m concerned, I’m at work, therefore I’m working
Fair doos robroy
109lwb
It’s pretty simple, just ask yourself at any given point, am I actually doing any work?!!
Digging a ditch = working
Driving = working
Strapping load up = working
Sat on a bay asleep = not working
Waiting at the garage to get truck fixed not working
Sat at the yard waiting for a truck to turn up or get a lift = not working
You’re at work for them all, but not necessarily working all the time you’re at work.
If you’re not working you can put it on break
Technically you need to know how long the wait will be to use poa, but as it’s basically only a tool for people who have all recorded breaks deducted, then if that were my situation I wouldn’t be arsed on being told or knowing through experience what the wait would be, I’d just use it, it’s uncheckable and no one is arsed anyway
stevieboy308:
Just seen this on facey0
Ah well, looks like they’ve dug a bit deeper and found yet another good excuse for a reason to extort money out of us,. … and put another nail in the coffin of a job as a truck driver.
I can’t for the life of me think why the job attracts far fewer people to what it once did…anybody??
Money grubbing twisters!..
The driver was found not to be in possession of their DQC card, even though there’s a ■■■■■■■ database with everyone on it. We have systems that monitor car insurance and MOTs but the first opportunity to fine a driver and the ■■■■■■■ are onto it.
If there’s two of you in the cab, chances are you’re gonna get stopped now. For example, once Spanish police worked out that if they measured car transporters from the overhang of the last car, they could class the vehicle as overlength and fine the driver. As soon as one area started doing it and making money, within weeks every copper in Spain cottoned on to it.
Might as well just stick it in slot 2 and save yerself half a weeks money.