JeffA:
Nobody got any empathy for them? If I was being bombed in syria I might try to get somewhere safer too - does that make me a wrong un?
Plenty of empathy for anybody fleeing a war zone, and especially if they are drowning.
The empathy runs out when I see the young and ‘brave’ of these various countries rocking up on our shores, demanding their rights, whilst being guided in by the various govt agencies and RNLI.
You empathising with them just shows your naive liberal leftie leanings I am afraid.
Does not make you a wrong un, just makes you part of a cohort that will always undermine what is best for the UK. A bit like the appeasers during the war.
You say the migrants make up 1% of the population. The actual figure is over 9 million, who are reproducing at nearly double the rate of indigenous people. Please make the argument that this is a good thing? I just wonder where it will lead eventually. Surely, by the evidence of inner city life in our big cities, it does not bode well.
I meant 1% of the worlds migrants head for the UK. More stay in france, germany and all the middle eastern countries. The UK is really unpopular destination for migrants.
Whats the 9 million figure? They didnt all come over on dinghies did they?
eagerbeaver:
The question is; WHY do they want to come here?
It certainly is not for the weather. These migrants all seem to be clutching mobile phones and it seems obvious to me that they have networks of
Any thoughts?
They dont want to come here - france and germany take more than us and 85% of the worlds migrants are in neighbouring countries in the middle east. The UK gets about 1% of the worlds refugees.
Hundreds of adults on any given day arrive on our beaches, many who have not only risked their own lives but have also decided young children should be forced to join in the madness too. Either their navigation skills are very poor indeed, or they are determined to arrive in the UK.
Your 1% figure is meaningless (along with the majority of your posts on every single subject on TNUK in my opinion).
The question was simple, why do the people who risk their lives after crossing many safe countries to get here do it?
JeffA:
I meant 1% of the worlds migrants head for the UK. More stay in france, germany and all the middle eastern countries. The UK is really unpopular destination for migrants.
Whats the 9 million figure? They didnt all come over on dinghies did they?
The total foreign born population in the UK 2018, was about 9.3 million, of about 64.2 million.
ONS estimates.
In an accessible form here on wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-b … ed_Kingdom
Those pecentages and facts/figures from the O.N.S. only take account of the ones that we know about. What happens to those people once they are here? Do they fall into the hands of gang masters to be exploited in back street workshops and food producers. We can only surmise about the fate of the females.
alamcculloch:
Those pecentages and facts/figures from the O.N.S. only take account of the ones that we know about. What happens to those people once they are here? Do they fall into the hands of gang masters to be exploited in back street workshops and food producers. We can only surmise about the fate of the females.
ONS search on “illegal immigrants”.
It is not something that is ignored at all.
Like all complicated situations it is multi-faceted. To understand a complex situation It is necessary to look at it from all sides; remember the elephant and the blind people?
Saying that there are 9 million foreign born in the UK means…what?
Is that too many? Not enough? A drain on resources? A source of working age people in the system contributing?
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For the knee jerk “all immigrants are bad” the answer is clear, for those who chose to think about it, maybe it`s less so.
Carryfast:
How else would you explain it.
They are the type who’ll run away when the going gets tough ?.
Or they want to live with the people who supposedly bombed them and who they regard as enemies ?.
Or is it some other motive like the handouts are good ?.
Or sleepers waiting for revenge when the time is right ?.
Or a combination of any or all.
Wanting revenge and thinking they all think we are the enemy is just a stupid generalisation. And you saying they run away when the going gets tough is hilariously ironic coming from you
So we’re not actually the ‘enemy’ that supposedly bombed them ?.
They see us as their friends and running all the way across Europe to be here is just their way of thanking us.
When they could have gone just a few miles down the road to be with their own in a place that’s safe enough to be a holiday destination.
This might blow your mind…did we bomb all Syrians or just particular factions?
JeffA:
Nobody got any empathy for them? If I was being bombed in syria I might try to get somewhere safer too - does that make me a wrong un?
Plenty of empathy for anybody fleeing a war zone, and especially if they are drowning.
The empathy runs out when I see the young and ‘brave’ of these various countries rocking up on our shores, demanding their rights, whilst being guided in by the various govt agencies and RNLI.
You empathising with them just shows your naive liberal leftie leanings I am afraid.
Does not make you a wrong un, just makes you part of a cohort that will always undermine what is best for the UK. A bit like the appeasers during the war.
You say the migrants make up 1% of the population. The actual figure is over 9 million, who are reproducing at nearly double the rate of indigenous people. Please make the argument that this is a good thing? I just wonder where it will lead eventually. Surely, by the evidence of inner city life in our big cities, it does not bode well.
Now that’s just comical.
I largely agree with Jeff…but after 26 years service don’t consider myself either a liberal lefty…or an appeaser.
Unlike you and yours I’ve visited several of the places that you’re moaning about - and see what might prompt them to leave. I also accept that some are simply economic migrants
Monkey241:
Unlike you and yours I’ve visited several of the places that you’re moaning about - and see what might prompt them to leave. I also accept that some are simply economic migrants
economic migrant
noun
plural noun: economic migrants
a person who travels from one country or area to another in order to improve their standard of living.
Yep. Here are some examples.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Liam Neeson, Bruce Willis. All left Europe to go the USA for work.
One million (more or less) “ten pound Poms”, going to Australia.
Five million Irish going to the USA.
The vast majority of the above were also “simply economic migrants”.
As are the vast majority of those migrants arriving in the UK. They are here to work and better themselves and their families.
Who could object to that?
Now, Im assuming you want to discuss those falsely claiming asylum, who are really economic migrants? There I agree there is an argument to be had. But only a little one, its wrong aint it?
How many channel boat crossers fall in that category? I certainly dont know, and so far I havent looked.
Monkey241:
Unlike you and yours I’ve visited several of the places that you’re moaning about - and see what might prompt them to leave. I also accept that some are simply economic migrants
economic migrant
noun
plural noun: economic migrants
a person who travels from one country or area to another in order to improve their standard of living.
Yep. Here are some examples.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Liam Neeson, Bruce Willis. All left Europe to go the USA for work.
One million (more or less) “ten pound Poms”, going to Australia.
Five million Irish going to the USA.
The vast majority of the above were also “simply economic migrants”.
As are the vast majority of those migrants arriving in the UK. They are here to work and better themselves and their families.
Who could object to that?
Now, Im assuming you want to discuss those falsely claiming asylum, who are really economic migrants? There I agree there is an argument to be had. But only a little one, its wrong aint it?
How many channel boat crossers fall in that category? I certainly dont know, and so far I havent looked.
Having an argument that was never posed. But at least we’re distinguishing between refugees/asylum seekers/economic migrants.
JeffA:
They don’t want to come here - france and germany take more than us and 85% of the worlds migrants are in neighbouring countries in the middle east. The UK gets about 1% of the worlds refugees.
They ‘don’t want’ to come here so badly, that for some reason, they are prepared to risk drowning in the Channel to get here and the French would obviously rather help them on their way over by providing convenient transit camps on the Channel coast.
Rather than the French offering them whatever it is that we are offering them here, to stay in France instead.
Middle Eastern refugees is the narrative we’re being fed.
So why send them here, instead of Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt or Turkey to live among their own.
Or even just stay in France.
Instead of drowning themselves in the Channel.We obviously must be offering some ridiculously generous incentives by comparison causing them to risk that.
The asylum benefits say everything in that regard free housing and benefits being top of that list.
As opposed to France sent to a field on the Channel coast, to put up a tent or park the nicked motor home and told that Blighty, where all their free handout dreams are made, is that way over there just across the Channel.
The French definition of take clearly means transit on the way here.
Monkey241:
This might blow your mind…did we bomb all Syrians or just particular factions?
Which means that whoever we bombed or didn’t is obviously totally irrelevant.
Just as the Blitz and rationing didn’t set off a stampede of fleeing Brits heading for Ireland in 1940.
Contrary to the bleeding heart far left, open borders, let em all in and feed and house them all narrative.
JeffA:
Nobody got any empathy for them? If I was being bombed in syria I might try to get somewhere safer too - does that make me a wrong un?
I think that’s exactly how anyone would have seen it if the populations of our major targets like Coventry and London etc had left their jobs and all ran for the hills of Switzerland or at least Ireland in 1939.
Bearing in mind I actually knew a driver where I worked who ran to Ireland after surviving being torpedoed in the Atlantic and was sent back and court martialed and put on penal shipyard duties for the duration.While I think my Grandfather and Grandmother could have legally claimed residence there with my future Mum and Aunt if they’d have been inclined to abandon the country to its fate.Instead of which they stayed with it even after my Grandfather had lost his sister and 5 year old neice to bombing.Knowing his wife and two daughters were in the same harms way to the end.
Why would you want to travel all the way to live with your ‘enemies’ and alien culture in the UK, who’d supposedly bombed you, rather than move just next door to Jordan, Turkey, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Saudi or Iran ?.
JeffA:
Nobody got any empathy for them? If I was being bombed in syria I might try to get somewhere safer too - does that make me a wrong un?
Plenty of empathy for anybody fleeing a war zone, and especially if they are drowning.
The empathy runs out when I see the young and ‘brave’ of these various countries rocking up on our shores, demanding their rights, whilst being guided in by the various govt agencies and RNLI.
You empathising with them just shows your naive liberal leftie leanings I am afraid.
Does not make you a wrong un, just makes you part of a cohort that will always undermine what is best for the UK. A bit like the appeasers during the war.
You say the migrants make up 1% of the population. The actual figure is over 9 million, who are reproducing at nearly double the rate of indigenous people. Please make the argument that this is a good thing? I just wonder where it will lead eventually. Surely, by the evidence of inner city life in our big cities, it does not bode well.
Now that’s just comical.
I largely agree with Jeff…but after 26 years service don’t consider myself either a liberal lefty…or an appeaser.
Unlike you and yours I’ve visited several of the places that you’re moaning about - and see what might prompt them to leave. I also accept that some are simply economic migrants
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People want to leave war zone? Who knew eh? Did it take you 26yrs to figure that out?
I think most people in UK accept that as a given.
What they struggle to accept is the water taxi service currently operating between France and England, so illegal migrants can get the best deal available in Europe. The holier than thou RLNI and Border Force escorting them in, paid by us.
The UK public also struggle to accept their disappearence into the £220 billion black economy. They also struggle to accept that if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time they could get their throats cut, or be blown up, or stabbed…or run over…etc.etc.
Obviously, a fair price to pay, as far as you and your Guardianista comrades are concerned.
Wheel Nut:
This bloke you knew, did he live in Peckham?
Cyril from Dewsbury actually with the y obviously pronounced e as in egg and leg.Maybe that’s why the paddys sent him back they couldn’t understand a word of Yorkshire when he tried to claim asylum.
Janos:
People want to leave war zone? Who knew eh? Did it take you 26yrs to figure that out?
I think most people in UK accept that as a given.
Obviously, a fair price to pay, as far as you and your Guardianista comrades are concerned.
If we accepted running from war as a given Ireland and the Irish Sea ports would have been overrun by fleeing Brits in 1939/40.Some might even have tried to get across the Irish Sea in a small rowing boat but they’d have got no sympathy if they’d have drowned trying.
The Guardianistas are as credible as their arguments that it’s all our fault and we should therefore welcome them all with as many free handouts as possible.When the incentive predictably proves too attractive then the obvious solution is to welcome even more of em by just opening the floodgates and letting em all board ferries where they can start their free food handouts in the cafe before they even get here with the win win of no risk of drowning.
Who needs an army to invade the place.
Janos:
The UK public also struggle to accept their disappearence into the £220 billion black economy.
Is that the size of the black economy?
Who knew the Great British public were so supportive of criminality?
The black economy survives beside, and because of, those who tacitly accept it.
It grows when “honest people” let it. It needs clean money coming in to survive.
The public may moan but too many of them use it. It isn`t a separate economy, it is intertwined with the legitimate economy by those who use it.