Janos:
The UK public also struggle to accept their disappearence into the £220 billion black economy.
Is that the size of the black economy?
Who knew the Great British public were so supportive of criminality?
The black economy survives beside, and because of, those who tacitly accept it.
It grows when “honest people” let it. It needs clean money coming in to survive.
The public may moan but too many of them use it. It isn`t a separate economy, it is intertwined with the legitimate economy by those who use it.
So every time you use a takeaway you ask to see the paperwork of every worker in there to check they are legal there is far more to the black economy than a cash payment for building job.
Ironically the French black economy is larger than the UK’s so bit rich of them to say that is the reason why they come to the UK but then most unlike the French to be hypocrites. In 2019 only Austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg had smaller black economies than the UK which leaves all the big EU countries with larger ones. A report written by the European commission stated that the UK is at the forefront of tackling illegal working and modern slavery and has one of the lowest rates of undeclared income in the EU.
Mazzer2:
there is far more to the black economy than a cash payment for building job.
Agreed.
Franglais:
It isn`t a separate economy, it is intertwined with the legitimate economy by those who use it.
Mazzer2:
So every time you use a takeaway you ask to see the paperwork of every worker in there
Agreed, some things are easier to check than others. Im sure you wouldnt be involved in any sort of tax or duty dodging.
Mazzer2:
In 2019 only Austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg had smaller black economies than the UK which leaves all the big EU countries with larger ones. A report written by the European commission stated that the UK is at the forefront of tackling illegal working and modern slavery and has one of the lowest rates of undeclared income in the EU.
Sounds interesting. I`ve had a quick look but nithing is jumping out straightaway, any link please?
Mazzer2:
there is far more to the black economy than a cash payment for building job.
Agreed.
Franglais:
It isn`t a separate economy, it is intertwined with the legitimate economy by those who use it.
Mazzer2:
So every time you use a takeaway you ask to see the paperwork of every worker in there
Agreed, some things are easier to check than others. Im sure you wouldnt be involved in any sort of tax or duty dodging.
Mazzer2:
In 2019 only Austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg had smaller black economies than the UK which leaves all the big EU countries with larger ones. A report written by the European commission stated that the UK is at the forefront of tackling illegal working and modern slavery and has one of the lowest rates of undeclared income in the EU.
Sounds interesting. I`ve had a quick look but nithing is jumping out straightaway, any link please?
Cheers, but I do try to avoid paying to a Murdoch site.
I don`t want to give cash to those who avoid UK taxes…
These foreigners are just after screwing us!
Meanwhile, people feel so strongly about the migrant situation, they are blocking lifeboats from launching in Hastings. Migrants call the RNLI as soon as they enter UK waters, and the RNLI say they are morally obliged to collect them, quoting the seafarers code. Ironic that it is local sailors blocking the launches though.
The burgeoning black economy awaits those not seeking to assimilate, and interest free finance c/o islamic banks for business that Brits can’t compete with, yet people would rather whine about big business legally trying to reduce its c/tax liability (something all business does).
Janos:
Meanwhile, people feel so strongly about the migrant situation, they are blocking lifeboats from launching in Hastings. Migrants call the RNLI as soon as they enter UK waters, and the RNLI say they are morally obliged to collect them, quoting the seafarers code. Ironic that it is local sailors blocking the launches though.
The burgeoning black economy awaits those not seeking to assimilate, and interest free finance c/o islamic banks for business that Brits can’t compete with, yet people would rather whine about big business legally trying to reduce its c/tax liability (something all business does).
But it’s obviously Bozo’s laughable regime which says they can stay here with all the free handouts on the premise that all are ‘asylum seekers’ unless proven otherwise in which case then they can appeal until they get the right decision.
It’s that attraction which makes it worth the risk of drowning to them.
The truth is it’s just a form of assymetric warfare with the win win of taking advantage of our open door immigration and benfits system and this is how it does an invasion.
Monkey241:
This might blow your mind…did we bomb all Syrians or just particular factions?
Which means that whoever we bombed or didn’t is obviously totally irrelevant.
Just as the Blitz and rationing didn’t set off a stampede of fleeing Brits heading for Ireland in 1940.
Contrary to the bleeding heart far left, open borders, let em all in and feed and house them all narrative.
JeffA:
Nobody got any empathy for them? If I was being bombed in syria I might try to get somewhere safer too - does that make me a wrong un?
Plenty of empathy for anybody fleeing a war zone, and especially if they are drowning.
The empathy runs out when I see the young and ‘brave’ of these various countries rocking up on our shores, demanding their rights, whilst being guided in by the various govt agencies and RNLI.
You empathising with them just shows your naive liberal leftie leanings I am afraid.
Does not make you a wrong un, just makes you part of a cohort that will always undermine what is best for the UK. A bit like the appeasers during the war.
You say the migrants make up 1% of the population. The actual figure is over 9 million, who are reproducing at nearly double the rate of indigenous people. Please make the argument that this is a good thing? I just wonder where it will lead eventually. Surely, by the evidence of inner city life in our big cities, it does not bode well.
Now that’s just comical.
I largely agree with Jeff…but after 26 years service don’t consider myself either a liberal lefty…or an appeaser.
Unlike you and yours I’ve visited several of the places that you’re moaning about - and see what might prompt them to leave. I also accept that some are simply economic migrants
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People want to leave war zone? Who knew eh? Did it take you 26yrs to figure that out?
I think most people in UK accept that as a given.
What they struggle to accept is the water taxi service currently operating between France and England, so illegal migrants can get the best deal available in Europe. The holier than thou RLNI and Border Force escorting them in, paid by us.
The UK public also struggle to accept their disappearence into the £220 billion black economy. They also struggle to accept that if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time they could get their throats cut, or be blown up, or stabbed…or run over…etc.etc.
Obviously, a fair price to pay, as far as you and your Guardianista comrades are concerned.
My Guardianista comrades?
Were you dropped on your head at birth or did someone cut off your air supply for longer than recommended?
Carryfast:
So we’re not actually the ‘enemy’ that supposedly bombed them ?
You know the Taliban weren’t/aren’t democratically elected right?
So exactly who actually bombed who, supposedly then causing exactly who to run here and why do those running want to come here specifically so much to the point of crossing Europe and then drowning trying to cross the Channel to invade our beaches ?.
There are no Taliban running amok in places like UAE, Qatar, Turkey, or Egypt, at least according to the UK holiday industry and no need to drown getting there from anywhere in the Middle East and all much closer in culture.
So why here specifically.What are we offering them that those places, let alone France, aren’t.
Weaponised immigration,straight from the Bolshevist manual.The bombings provide the…err…smokescreen.Usual suspects-Jake,George,Pepe et-al.
George’s NGO-Open Foundation,Kalergi Coudenhove’s manuscript.Dilute,demoralise the host nation,drain it’s resources,rinse,repeat.Nothing new under the sun etc.
Carryfast:
So why send them here, instead of Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt or Turkey to live among their own.
Or even just stay in France.
Poor little hard done by Britain, taking in ALL the worlds refugees. It’s so unfair. Except wait? Could it simply be the massive chip on our shoulder and our raging victim mentality as so typically shown by CF skewing facts? We aren’t even top destination in Europe nrc.no/perspectives/2020/th … -refugees/
Monkey241:
This might blow your mind…did we bomb all Syrians or just particular factions?
Which means that whoever we bombed or didn’t is obviously totally irrelevant.
Just as the Blitz and rationing didn’t set off a stampede of fleeing Brits heading for Ireland in 1940.
Contrary to the bleeding heart far left, open borders, let em all in and feed and house them all narrative.
It’s wholly relevant.
Yet again your reasoning let’s you down
It’s clear who’s reasoning is somewhat lacking or more like based on lies.
As would be expected of the far left.
The truth is whoever was or wasn’t bombed by who doesn’t explain anyone wanting to risk drowning in the Channel to get here specifically at all costs.
‘Unless’ they are coming for revenge and the free handouts are just a bonus.
Or those handouts are just too good to ignore, far better than what’s on offer in France and make it worth the risk.
Mazzer2:
there is far more to the black economy than a cash payment for building job.
Agreed.
Franglais:
It isn`t a separate economy, it is intertwined with the legitimate economy by those who use it.
Mazzer2:
So every time you use a takeaway you ask to see the paperwork of every worker in there
Agreed, some things are easier to check than others. Im sure you wouldnt be involved in any sort of tax or duty dodging.
Mazzer2:
In 2019 only Austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg had smaller black economies than the UK which leaves all the big EU countries with larger ones. A report written by the European commission stated that the UK is at the forefront of tackling illegal working and modern slavery and has one of the lowest rates of undeclared income in the EU.
Sounds interesting. I`ve had a quick look but nithing is jumping out straightaway, any link please?
Go to David Smith’s article in todays Times
Yep. Looks like France had a smaller black economy than the UK back in the 1990s.
Now both have grown but with the UK about 2% lower than France.
I got that from the IMF site.
Carryfast:
So why send them here, instead of Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt or Turkey to live among their own.
Or even just stay in France.
Poor little hard done by Britain, taking in ALL the worlds refugees. It’s so unfair. Except wait? Could it simply be the massive chip on our shoulder and our raging victim mentality as so typically shown by CF skewing facts? We aren’t even top destination in Europe nrc.no/perspectives/2020/th … -refugees/
Don’t you feel insulted?
Fancy those refugees going to neighbouring countries rather than put a little more effort in, to get Here.
What do they think is wrong with the UK?
Why do they get over the Mediterranean Sea, through Eastern Europe, Western Europe, then give up and stop at the few miles of Channel?
Why do they think we aren’t worth just a little more efforts?
Shouldn’t we go across and encourage a few more?
Gee them up with CFs stories of better housing, more money, than they would get elsewhere. Maybe he’ll come down personally to welcome them after they read his accounts of how good things are here?
Drop them a few copies of the Fail telling of Farage’s stories about free money, phones and cars too. Farage won’t be lying or exaggerating so those true stories will be more encouragement for them to better themselves here.
Monkey241:
This might blow your mind…did we bomb all Syrians or just particular factions?
Which means that whoever we bombed or didn’t is obviously totally irrelevant.
Just as the Blitz and rationing didn’t set off a stampede of fleeing Brits heading for Ireland in 1940.
Contrary to the bleeding heart far left, open borders, let em all in and feed and house them all narrative.
It’s wholly relevant.
Yet again your reasoning let’s you down
It’s clear who’s reasoning is somewhat lacking or more like based on lies.
As would be expected of the far left.
The truth is whoever was or wasn’t bombed by who doesn’t explain anyone wanting to risk drowning in the Channel to get here specifically at all costs.
‘Unless’ they are coming for revenge and the free handouts are just a bonus.
Or those handouts are just too good to ignore, far better than what’s on offer in France and make it worth the risk.
Far left is an assumption made by you in your hysteria.
Carryfast:
So why send them here, instead of Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt or Turkey to live among their own.
Or even just stay in France.
Poor little hard done by Britain, taking in ALL the worlds refugees. It’s so unfair. Except wait? Could it simply be the massive chip on our shoulder and our raging victim mentality as so typically shown by CF skewing facts? We aren’t even top destination in Europe nrc.no/perspectives/2020/th … -refugees/
Don’t you feel insulted?
Fancy those refugees going to neighbouring countries rather than put a little more effort in, to get Here.
What do they think is wrong with the UK?
Why do they get over the Mediterranean Sea, through Eastern Europe, Western Europe, then give up and stop at the few miles of Channel?
Why do they think we aren’t worth just a little more efforts?
Shouldn’t we go across and encourage a few more?
Gee them up with CFs stories of better housing, more money, than they would get elsewhere. Maybe he’ll come down personally to welcome them after they read his accounts of how good things are here?
Drop them a few copies of the Fail telling of Farage’s stories about free money, phones and cars too. Farage won’t be lying or exaggerating so those true stories will be more encouragement for them to better themselves here.
Since when was a debate about immigration predicated on rankings?
Do you think showing that some states have higher levels of refugees somehow negates the validity of any other argument?
Carryfast:
It’s clear who’s reasoning is somewhat lacking or more like based on lies.
As would be expected of the far left.
The truth is whoever was or wasn’t bombed by who doesn’t explain anyone wanting to risk drowning in the Channel to get here specifically at all costs.
‘Unless’ they are coming for revenge and the free handouts are just a bonus.
Or those handouts are just too good to ignore, far better than what’s on offer in France and make it worth the risk.
Far left is an assumption made by you in your hysteria.
Inviting in a potential enemy, with the incentive of free handouts, to the point where they are prepared to risk drowning in the Channel to get here to claim them, can’t be anything other than an irrational leftist agenda.
Bearing in mind that the NHS and benefits system can’t even afford to look after our own and it’s a small country which is already way over populated.The last thing it needs is needless artificial additions to that situation, from even more over populated parts of the world, to add to the burden.
Carryfast:
So why send them here, instead of Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt or Turkey to live among their own.
Or even just stay in France.
Poor little hard done by Britain, taking in ALL the worlds refugees. It’s so unfair. Except wait? Could it simply be the massive chip on our shoulder and our raging victim mentality as so typically shown by CF skewing facts? We aren’t even top destination in Europe nrc.no/perspectives/2020/th … -refugees/
Don’t you feel insulted?
Fancy those refugees going to neighbouring countries rather than put a little more effort in, to get Here.
What do they think is wrong with the UK?
Why do they get over the Mediterranean Sea, through Eastern Europe, Western Europe, then give up and stop at the few miles of Channel?
Why do they think we aren’t worth just a little more efforts?
Shouldn’t we go across and encourage a few more?
Gee them up with CFs stories of better housing, more money, than they would get elsewhere. Maybe he’ll come down personally to welcome them after they read his accounts of how good things are here?
Drop them a few copies of the Fail telling of Farage’s stories about free money, phones and cars too. Farage won’t be lying or exaggerating so those true stories will be more encouragement for them to better themselves here.
Since when was a debate about immigration predicated on rankings?
Do you think showing that some states have higher levels of refugees somehow negates the validity of any other argument?
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It’s not. My comment at least was a comeback for the likes of Carryfast who think they all come here, that no other countries get any. Plainly false, in the grand scheme of things we don’t even get that many. British victim mentality in full swing
switchlogic:
My comment at least was a comeback for the likes of Carryfast who think they all come here, that no other countries get any. Plainly false, in the grand scheme of things we don’t even get that many.
The irony on a topic about them drowning in the Channel to get here by invading our beaches.
Rather than staying anywhere in their choice of Euroland ( or on the continents that they originate from which are usually ‘safe’ enough to provide holiday destinations for us ) .
switchlogic:
My comment at least was a comeback for the likes of Carryfast who think they all come here, that no other countries get any. Plainly false, in the grand scheme of things we don’t even get that many.
The irony on a topic about them drowning in the Channel to get here by invading our beaches.
Rather than staying anywhere in their choice of Euroland ( or on the continents that they originate from which are usually ‘safe’ enough to provide holiday destinations for us ) .
“( or on the continents that they originate from which are usually ‘safe’ enough to provide holiday destinations for us ) .”
Sorry Carryfast but in many cases that is simply wrong. I am not commenting on the fact that people are moving, simply your comment above. I spent many years working in North and West Africa and the Middle East. Many countries there are holiday destinations, that is true. But the areas the tourists get to see and the conditions they live in are very often quite different to those of the locals. That is simply true and factual. Many of the world’s police forces and governments are brutal, uncaring tyrannies.
