for the 1st time in 15yrs i’m havin a go @ nightshift i believe its down to Birmingham & back, what’s the script with breaks?? my mate says it’ll show up as an infringement because of no actual evidence of a break but if i take a printout & mark it for a break & write in comments double manned it’s kosher . . . i’m not so sure 
ivor biggin:
for the 1st time in 15yrs i’m havin a go @ nightshift i believe its down to Birmingham & back, what’s the script with breaks?? my mate says it’ll show up as an infringement because of no actual evidence of a break but if i take a printout & mark it for a break & write in comments double manned it’s kosher . . . i’m not so sure
You mention printouts so I assume its digi tacho
Put your card in driver 2 slot when not driving and set on break this will record as poa, first 45mins of poa will count as break
When you change drivers change the cards to driver 1 no need to do any printouts or write anything down anywhere, the info is in the tacho and on both drivers cards
cheers 
Remember that for both drivers to be under MM rules they MUST finish at the same time
If one driver leaves earlier than the other then only the early finish driver will be under MM rules
The above also depends on the next bit below…
Starting times must be within 1 hour of each other and after any of the drivers has done 1 hour then they must be together for the rest of the shift
ROG:
Remember that for both drivers to be under MM rules they MUST finish at the same time
If one driver leaves earlier than the other then only the early finish driver will be under MM rules
The above also depends on the next bit below…Starting times must be within 1 hour of each other and after any of the drivers has done 1 hour then they must be together for the rest of the shift
I think you need to think on that Rog
Under multi-manning, the ‘second’ driver in a crew may not necessarily be the same driver form the duration of the first driver’s shift but could in principle be any number of drivers as long as the conditions are met. Whether these second drivers could claim the multi-manning concession in these circumstances would depend on their other duties
ivor biggin:
for the 1st time in 15yrs i’m havin a go @ nightshift i believe its down to Birmingham & back, what’s the script with breaks?? my mate says it’ll show up as an infringement because of no actual evidence of a break but if i take a printout & mark it for a break & write in comments double manned it’s kosher . . . i’m not so sure
As green456 said, put your card in slot 2 on POA when you’re sat in the passenger seat and the first 45 minutes of POA will be counted as break.
you dont need breaks
also i recommend drive for 3 hours
and then change over
hitch:
you dont need breaksalso i recommend drive for 3 hours
and then change over
i wouldn’t if both drivers need to max their driving hours(10h each)!!you could save 1change over by doing 4+3+3 or 3:30+3:30+3,and time is very important if you need to fit 20h driving into a 21h shift
I recommend u get a drivers hours and regulations booklet free from any vosa site test station.
And not rely on trucknet to keep you right.
delboytwo:
ROG:
Remember that for both drivers to be under MM rules they MUST finish at the same time
If one driver leaves earlier than the other then only the early finish driver will be under MM rules
The above also depends on the next bit below…Starting times must be within 1 hour of each other and after any of the drivers has done 1 hour then they must be together for the rest of the shift
I think you need to think on that Rog
Under multi-manning, the ‘second’ driver in a crew may not necessarily be the same driver form the duration of the first driver’s shift but could in principle be any number of drivers as long as the conditions are met. Whether these second drivers could claim the multi-manning concession in these circumstances would depend on their other duties
Your quote agreed with what I said so perhaps you have not read my post correctly
RIZZO101:
I recommend u get a drivers hours and regulations booklet free from any vosa site test station.
And not rely on trucknet to keep you right.
Many do not understand them because of the way they are written
We do not all understand the same things in the same way
ROG:
delboytwo:
ROG:
Remember that for both drivers to be under MM rules they MUST finish at the same timeIf one driver leaves earlier than the other then only the early finish driver will be under MM rules
The above also depends on the next bit below…Starting times must be within 1 hour of each other and after any of the drivers has done 1 hour then they must be together for the rest of the shift
I think you need to think on that Rog
Under multi-manning, the ‘second’ driver in a crew may not necessarily be the same driver form the duration of the first driver’s shift but could in principle be any number of drivers as long as the conditions are met. Whether these second drivers could claim the multi-manning concession in these circumstances would depend on their other duties
Your quote agreed with what I said so perhaps you have not read my post correctly
I did read your post ROG and if you read it you will see why i put my comment on you have said that both drivers have to finish at the same time which is wrong, one of them could work in the warehouse or wash the truck while the other one goes home as long as he had other work available.
I have done multi manned ops and the shift was only 10 hours a day, the reason we had to drivers is so we could swap over and not have to have a break this is common in the furniture delivery service. on return to base one of us would clean and refuel the truck and the other one would go home as it was job and finish did this for 12 months and nether got and infringements for not going home as the same time as the other driver.
Also please remember a multi manned shift as a maximum of 21 hours duty and the is no minimum duty requirement as long as the drivers follow there required hours. I have even got back to the depot and help out an other driver by going out with him, by driving as he mite of had a mate instead of a driver. and again never been done. i even drove the truck on my own as I had driving time left.
multi manned ops only change your daily rest requirements, all the rest stay the same.
DEL, the driver that stayed on to wash the truck would NOT be under MM rules as both drivers must be together (apart from 1st hour) for that to be the case
The driver who went home would be under MM rules because for the whole of his shift (1st hour excluded) he was MM
I referred to BOTH drivers in the bit you highlighted in red but then went on to mention EACH individual driver
So a simple question -
If one driver left earlier than the other would BOTH drivers be under MM rules?
ROG:
DEL, the driver that stayed on to wash the truck would NOT be under MM rules as both drivers must be together (apart from 1st hour) for that to be the caseThe driver who went home would be under MM rules because for the whole of his shift (1st hour excluded) he was MM
I referred to BOTH drivers in the bit you highlighted in red but then went on to mention EACH individual driver
So a simple question -
If one driver left earlier than the other would BOTH drivers be under MM rules?
there would have been when there was together, but what happens after the MM rule as finshed is what other dutys are left
It would not matter Rog as long as the driver as drive time and normal duty limits left after he as done with multi manned ops
look what your saying is if two driver start at 6 am and there back at the yard at 2 pm there both have to finish. no the don’t as both driver would or could have drive time left and duty time and both would probably get 11 hour rest off
you seam to think if you do multi manned ops in a day thats all you can do, well that wrong if you have duty time and drive time you can use them.
ROG:
the driver that stayed on to wash the truck would NOT be under MM rules as both drivers must be together (apart from 1st hour) for that to be the case
Wrong, If you’re referring to a trip where there are only two drivers multi-manning, then both drivers would need to be together for each driving period apart from the first hour , they don’t have to be together for the entire shift.
Well not unless you’ve seen some regulations I haven’t seen anyway.
ROG:
So a simple question -
If one driver left earlier than the other would BOTH drivers be under MM rules?
Possibly yes, if both drivers were together for each driving period, if the driver who stayed on did no more driving then I can see no reason why both drivers could not take advantage of the multi-manning rest concession.
Rog
put it this way if i did MM ops in the morning and only did 4 hour drive and was back in the yard at 12 pm and i told my boss as i’m on MM ops boss i have to go home now he would kick me out of the yard with his big boots 
tachograph:
ROG:
the driver that stayed on to wash the truck would NOT be under MM rules as both drivers must be together (apart from 1st hour) for that to be the caseWrong, If you’re referring to a trip where there are only two drivers multi-manning, then both drivers would need to be together for each driving period apart from the first hour , they don’t have to be together for the entire shift.
Well not unless you’ve seen some regulations I haven’t seen anyway.
ROG:
So a simple question -
If one driver left earlier than the other would BOTH drivers be under MM rules?Possibly yes, if both drivers were together for each driving period, if the driver who stayed on did no more driving then I can see no reason why both drivers could not take advantage of the multi-manning rest concession.
Seems like I am the one to eat humble pie this time because I misread the regs - it does say for the driving and not the period between rests 
My understanding of it is IF the duty period of MM is OVER 15 hours for either driver they must start within an hour of each other and finish at the same time .
mucker85:
My understanding of it is IF the duty period of MM is OVER 15 hours for either driver they must start within an hour of each other and finish at the same time .
That is what caused me to say what I did but I forgot that MM rules can apply to less than 15 hour shifts
mucker85:
My understanding of it is IF the duty period of MM is OVER 15 hours for either driver they must start within an hour of each other and finish at the same time .
There’s nothing in the regulations that says that both drivers have to finish at the same time if the shift is over 15 hours.
The only thing the regulations say is that for each driving period between daily rest periods or a daily rest period and a weekly rest period there must be at-least two drivers available to do the driving.