As far as i can remember, The rules for double manning changed a little in 2006 i think.
The second driver can be picked up on route, But it has to be within 30 minutes of driver 1 setting off.
How do you get round this? Driver 2 is about 2.5 hours away.
I did think about getting his card in the post and sticking it in slot 2 before setting off, Then all he has to do is get in the lorry 2.5 hours later, But it’ll look like he’s been in it from the start.
Now that’s not exactly legal, There’d be no harm done. But if you get pulled in the first 2.5 hours, It’ll take some convincing that there’s no funny goings on going on.
limeyphil:
As far as i can remember, The rules for double manning changed a little in 2006 i think.
The second driver can be picked up on route, But it has to be within 30 minutes of driver 1 setting off.
How do you get round this? Driver 2 is about 2.5 hours away.
I did think about getting his card in the post and sticking it in slot 2 before setting off, Then all he has to do is get in the lorry 2.5 hours later, But it’ll look like he’s been in it from the start.
Now that’s not exactly legal, There’d be no harm done. But if you get pulled in the first 2.5 hours, It’ll take some convincing that there’s no funny goings on going on.
You are making his problem your problem. He should just drive down the night before and take his rest in the cab so both of you are on a fresh day when you are setting of.
limeyphil:
As far as i can remember, The rules for double manning changed a little in 2006 i think.
The second driver can be picked up on route, But it has to be within 30 minutes of driver 1 setting off.
How do you get round this? Driver 2 is about 2.5 hours away.
I did think about getting his card in the post and sticking it in slot 2 before setting off, Then all he has to do is get in the lorry 2.5 hours later, But it’ll look like he’s been in it from the start.
Now that’s not exactly legal, There’d be no harm done. But if you get pulled in the first 2.5 hours, It’ll take some convincing that there’s no funny goings on going on.
You are making his problem your problem. He should just drive down the night before and take his rest in the cab so both of you are on a fresh day when you are setting of.
Not really. if i picked him up on the way, he gets a couple more hours in his own bed.
if he drives to me the night before, he’s wasted fuel in his car (4 hours in total). Just think of the carbon footprint. many a polar bear will die keeping in line with legislation.
Think of the children.
limeyphil:
As far as i can remember, The rules for double manning changed a little in 2006 i think.
The second driver can be picked up on route, But it has to be within 30 minutes of driver 1 setting off.
How do you get round this? Driver 2 is about 2.5 hours away.
I did think about getting his card in the post and sticking it in slot 2 before setting off, Then all he has to do is get in the lorry 2.5 hours later, But it’ll look like he’s been in it from the start.
Now that’s not exactly legal, There’d be no harm done. But if you get pulled in the first 2.5 hours, It’ll take some convincing that there’s no funny goings on going on.
Did you forget that you don’t have a passport…or a lorry to drive…
Can you not get the other bloke to thumb a lift in your direction (or ask one of your many ex colleagues from all the companies you claim to have worked for recently) and pick him up from somewhere within the legally allowed time frame
Did you know that the second man does not have to be the same man at the end of the shift, that is the reason they changed the name from double manning to multi manning.
You will have to find someone who needs a lift to this blokes house.
on a firm i used to work with the second driver when joining the truck after 2.5 hrs used entered 2 hrs other work.dont know if legal but got away with it at vosa checks and one check in Rennes .they aretougher than vosa.
Bobtailvw:
I have to ask, why does the second man need to be in the truck within the first hour?
In order to take advantage of the daily rest concession for multi-manning the regulations require a second driver to be present except for the first hour of multi-manning.
Article 4 - (EC) 561/2003.
‘multi-manning’ means the situation where, during each
period of driving between any two consecutive daily rest
periods, or between a daily rest period and a weekly rest
period, there are at least two drivers in the vehicle to do
the driving. For the first hour of multi-manning the presence of another driver or drivers is optional but for the remainder of the period it is compulsory;
Bobtailvw:
I have to ask, why does the second man need to be in the truck within the first hour?
In order to take advantage of the daily rest concession for multi-manning the regulations require a second driver to be present except for the first hour of multi-manning.
Article 4 - (EC) 561/2003.
‘multi-manning’ means the situation where, during each
period of driving between any two consecutive daily rest
periods, or between a daily rest period and a weekly rest
period, there are at least two drivers in the vehicle to do
the driving. For the first hour of multi-manning the presence of another driver or drivers is optional but for the remainder of the period it is compulsory;
Thanks for the reply but it makes no sense If a second driver was picked up 3 hours later what would it be called then?
Bobtailvw:
I have to ask, why does the second man need to be in the truck within the first hour?
In order to take advantage of the daily rest concession for multi-manning the regulations require a second driver to be present except for the first hour of multi-manning.
Article 4 - (EC) 561/2003.
‘multi-manning’ means the situation where, during each
period of driving between any two consecutive daily rest
periods, or between a daily rest period and a weekly rest
period, there are at least two drivers in the vehicle to do
the driving. For the first hour of multi-manning the presence of another driver or drivers is optional but for the remainder of the period it is compulsory;
Thanks for the reply but it makes no sense If a second driver was picked up 3 hours later what would it be called then?
freely admit that I am out of touch with hours laws, but, are you planning to take advantage of the double manning rest situation?
If you are simply having an extra driver to share the driving or extend the joint driving hours to the max does the 1 hour rule apply.
Bobtailvw:
I have to ask, why does the second man need to be in the truck within the first hour?
In order to take advantage of the daily rest concession for multi-manning the regulations require a second driver to be present except for the first hour of multi-manning.
Article 4 - (EC) 561/2003.
‘multi-manning’ means the situation where, during each
period of driving between any two consecutive daily rest
periods, or between a daily rest period and a weekly rest
period, there are at least two drivers in the vehicle to do
the driving. For the first hour of multi-manning the presence of another driver or drivers is optional but for the remainder of the period it is compulsory;
Thanks for the reply but it makes no sense If a second driver was picked up 3 hours later what would it be called then?
Well I would call it double-manning or multi-manning, call it what you like but you would not be able to take advantage of the multi-manning daily rest concession unless there’s a second driver no later than one hour from the start of the journey.
In other words you would have two drivers both working to single manned journey regulations.
OK I think I understand …“Under multi-manning, the ‘second’ driver in a crew may not necessarily be the same driver for the duration of the first driver’s shift but could in principle be any number of drivers as long as the conditions are met. Whether these second drivers could claim the multi-manning concession in these circumstances would depend on their other duties.”
Mmmmmm no I dont , the second ‘second’ man could have been rivveting for 24 hours when he takes charge of truck.
Anyway Im very glad to be out of the game now, Bulgaria has so much more to offer than worrying about what the EU deems safe and understandable.
