manalishi:
Anyone seen this months truck n driver, the letters page has a chap who’s actually written to the prime minister with the thesis that the whole cpc is in fact illegal, obviously this has prob been heavily covered before on tnuk but it’s impressive if you want to give it a butchers.
Apparently vosa consider that any extra time outside of work ,‘studying’ the wretched thing should by definition be paid for as work, but those lucky enough on here not to have suffered in the economic meltdown as myself and others have done should but the [zb] out and stop this smug ‘I’m alright jack’ posturing.
I sincerely hope the writer goes to this forum as I would like to swap notes and see how we can feasibly launch a legal action.The culture of blighty is default cow towance to the man and this familiar chestnut about ‘werenot like the French’ is sadly a reflection of a country that talks good about rebellion, yet gathers in its pathetic multitudes to wave union jacks at a bunch of horse faced inbreds, thus confirming their implicit love of the chains that bind them.
In that case he’s misunderstood what’s been said, Vosa have no authority to say what should be paid for whether it be in works time or not.
Just because someone writes a letter to the PM doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about.
manalishi:
Anyone seen this months truck n driver, the letters page has a chap who’s actually written to the prime minister with the thesis that the whole cpc is in fact illegal, obviously this has prob been heavily covered before on tnuk but it’s impressive if you want to give it a butchers.
Apparently vosa consider that any extra time outside of work ,‘studying’ the wretched thing should by definition be paid for as work, but those lucky enough on here not to have suffered in the economic meltdown as myself and others have done should but the [zb] out and stop this smug ‘I’m alright jack’ posturing.
I sincerely hope the writer goes to this forum as I would like to swap notes and see how we can feasibly launch a legal action.The culture of blighty is default cow towance to the man and this familiar chestnut about ‘werenot like the French’ is sadly a reflection of a country that talks good about rebellion, yet gathers in its pathetic multitudes to wave union jacks at a bunch of horse faced inbreds, thus confirming their implicit love of the chains that bind
them.
In that case he’s misunderstood what’s been said, Vosa have no authority to say what should be paid for whether it be in works time or not.
Just because someone writes a letter to the PM doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about.
Exactly if hes that clever he should be a lawyer not a lorry driver.
I do aggree in its current form its a joke but ive got no problem with the principle of periodic
training as it can be a good way to keep up with changes in tacho rules etc.
Ok so existing drivers feel the CPC is a waste of their time. I understand this as you know it all already, but you had to learn at some point.
So on the same instance do you agree with the initial CPC? The reason I ask is “you experienced” drivers learned on the job, not before you got a job like us noobs. Also do you think all noobs should sit the initial CPC? Careful of your answer it could put you in a situation of hypocrisy. If an “experienced” driver shouldn’t have to do the CPC and noobs do, this would make the noobs “more qualified” in essence than all you experienced drivers would it not, on paper anyway? I’m yet to see a degree from the school of hard knocks or the university of life. Like it has been said a million and 1 times you’ve had plenty of time to allow 7 hrs out of your lives (that you could spend not crying on here about the cpc) every other month or once a year to keep driving and earning to provide for yourselves and your family. Or you could spit the dummy, hang up your keys and not get a job anywhere else because you are not qualified to do anything else. Rant over. I think all CPC threads should be locked down. Do the CPC training or STFU and retire.
Why not cut/paste or otherwise adapt your OP to them
Trust me. Getting coal-face facts and opinion to those who divide and rule above us - invariably to the autocratic & largely unwanted EU - has never been easier, quicker or cheaper when it’s free on line
Just think if we all did it
PS. I did my waste-of-space “EU Minister” MP yonks ago: The trecherous weasel had my tuppence worth yonks ago
Danny_b:
Ok so existing drivers feel the CPC is a waste of their time. I understand this as you know it all already, but you had to learn at some point.
So on the same instance do you agree with the initial CPC? The reason I ask is “you experienced” drivers learned on the job, not before you got a job like us noobs. Also do you think all noobs should sit the initial CPC? Careful of your answer it could put you in a situation of hypocrisy. If an “experienced” driver shouldn’t have to do the CPC and noobs do, this would make the noobs “more qualified” in essence than all you experienced drivers would it not, on paper anyway? I’m yet to see a degree from the school of hard knocks or the university of life. Like it has been said a million and 1 times you’ve had plenty of time to allow 7 hrs out of your lives (that you could spend not crying on here about the cpc) every other month or once a year to keep driving and earning to provide for yourselves and your family. Or you could spit the dummy, hang up your keys and not get a job anywhere else because you are not qualified to do anything else. Rant over. I think all CPC threads should be locked down. Do the CPC training or STFU and retire.
I think you’ll find only a small percentage of drivers believe they “know it all”
You think you learned the job before you started working as a lorry driver, I bet you never
The initial driver CPC can only teach you so much and that’s the very basics, answer this, if new drivers learn the job before starting why are these forums full of posts from new drivers asking sometimes quite basic questions ?
Please don’t misunderstand me, I’m not for one minute criticising new drivers for asking questions, that’s how you learn, I’m simply pointing out the error in your theory
I’m not against drivers having to stay current with regulations and techniques in fact I’m in favour of it, the point is that there’s nothing that can be taught in a classroom that cannot be learned free of charge on the Internet or from other forms of self study, when you did the initial DCPC did you have to attend a course for modules 2 and 4, as far as I’m aware you can do all of the initial DCPC without being forced to attend training classes, it’s your choice, so why is it that more experienced drivers are forced to attend training sessions.
All that’s really needed for most of the courses that most people do is a simple multi-choice test every five years to prove you’re still current with modern techniques and thinking.
35 hours in a classroom listening to someone who may or may not know what he’s talking about is both expensive and unnecessary.
Danny_b:
Ok so existing drivers feel the CPC is a waste of their time. I understand this as you know it all already, but you had to learn at some point.
So on the same instance do you agree with the initial CPC? The reason I ask is “you experienced” drivers learned on the job, not before you got a job like us noobs. Also do you think all noobs should sit the initial CPC? Careful of your answer it could put you in a situation of hypocrisy. If an “experienced” driver shouldn’t have to do the CPC and noobs do, this would make the noobs “more qualified” in essence than all you experienced drivers would it not, on paper anyway? I’m yet to see a degree from the school of hard knocks or the university of life. Like it has been said a million and 1 times you’ve had plenty of time to allow 7 hrs out of your lives (that you could spend not crying on here about the cpc) every other month or once a year to keep driving and earning to provide for yourselves and your family. Or you could spit the dummy, hang up your keys and not get a job anywhere else because you are not qualified to do anything else. Rant over. I think all CPC threads should be locked down. Do the CPC training or STFU and retire.
I think you’ll find only a small percentage of drivers believe they “know it all”
You think you learned the job before you started working as a lorry driver, I bet you never
The initial driver CPC can only teach you so much and that’s the very basics, answer this, if new drivers learn the job before starting why are these forums full of posts from new drivers asking sometimes quite basic questions ?
Please don’t misunderstand me, I’m not for one minute criticising new drivers for asking questions, that’s how you learn, I’m simply pointing out the error in your theory
I’m not against drivers having to stay current with regulations and techniques in fact I’m in favour of it, the point is that there’s nothing that can be taught in a classroom that cannot be learned free of charge on the Internet or from other forms of self study, when you did the initial DCPC did you have to attend a course for modules 2 and 4, as far as I’m aware you can do all of the initial DCPC without being forced to attend training classes, it’s your choice, so why is it that more experienced drivers are forced to attend training sessions.
All that’s really needed for most of the courses that most people do is a simple multi-choice test every five years to prove you’re still current with modern techniques and thinking.
35 hours in a classroom listening to someone who may or may not know what he’s talking about is both expensive and unnecessary.
What I’ve noticed about a handful of you guys and you Tacho being one is you are straight up guys, no BS and level headed. You guys are aware that the CPC and other similar courses, cards what ever form the “qualification” takes is a means to an end, there is no “beating it”. What I meant by learning the job before we start was we learn the basics that you guys learned through the job ( I even learned to tie a dolly just incase), I did not mean to imply by any means that noobs know the job inside out. As for the more qualified, every employer now wants to see cards, certificates etc. I have my card because I did the initial CPC, anyone who doesn’t finish their CPC will not have said card, thus me being more qualified. With regard to being forced to sit through training courses, I have said many times I know it’s mostly a waste of time for you guys but if you want to keep on keeping on you guys NEED to do it, I will need to do it now as well. Granted I will learn from it this time but will I in 10 yrs time? I’ll still have to adhere and complete what ever is required of us come then. I’m just sick of seeing grown men cry over something they have chosen to ignore in the hope it will go away and now that it’s not going anywhere the are all pi**ed off about it.
bugcos:
True story. A lad I know has not done one second towards his dcpc, because he has got to pay for it himself, however just over two years ago, spent just under 1900 quid of his own money on a leather interior, engine hump cover and posh cupboards on his employers 02 plate 164 480 V8. Madness
Try getting loaded or unloaded at most docks without a fluorescent vest…
See how many yards you get on building site without hard hat or boots…
The drivers cpc is just another barrier to earning a living. You wouldn’t give up driving because you had to buy a fluorescent jacket to deliver to docks, or had to invest in a hard hat to deliver to sites.
If the drivers cpc was illegal, I am sure it would have been challenged by the transport industry, or by some ambitious MP long before now. Yep it may be tedious and an unwanted expense, but so is commuting to work every day.
Even though I passed my class 1 back in 1977 I only used it to haul our livestock in our own skitter-box and we decided to put it off the road about 20yrs ago so I consider myself a Newbie. Did my DCPC 3 years ago as a refresher & preparation for working in the industry proper so am OK until 2019.
As a self employed agency bod I have the freedom to select which courses I think will be of most use to me so I’ll start selecting courses after September doing 1 per year in case I decide to continue driving past 2019. First on scene will be first (with a refresher a couple of years after), I’ll also revisit tacho & WTD regs just in case something slips past my radar but I’ve learned more doing the job and on here than on DCPC courses, especially the tacho stuff.
I don’t like the DCPC in its current format but as others have said its here to stay so either bite the bullet and get on with it or start looking for a job elsewhere.
The thing is that, even at this late stage, all employers aren’t asking for the qualification, I started a job in January and it’s not even been mentioned yet, not once. I have started to see them in job ads, even then they say any part done would be an advantage.
Personally I cannot wait until September to see how it all pans out, what is the latest estimate of drivers completed, last I heard was December when it was around 27%.
It may have all ready been said but if you older drivers can’t be bothered to do your cpc …good … hang up your keys and twist how unfair life is then I can have a pick at all them jobs that will be out there, it’s just plain bone idleness on your behalf we all have to abide by the rules it’s just people’s ignorance of the law changes … If you have that much to say it would be great to see what Mr Vosa has to say when he pulls you over and asks for your DQC card …
Dotty D:
It may have all ready been said but if you older drivers can’t be bothered to do your cpc …good … hang up your keys and twist how unfair life is then I can have a pick at all them jobs that will be out there, it’s just plain bone idleness on your behalf we all have to abide by the rules it’s just people’s ignorance of the law changes … If you have that much to say it would be great to see what Mr Vosa has to say when he pulls you over and asks for your DQC card …
You may not get the pick it depends weather your face fits at interview so don’t be so ■■■■ sure.
There is always someone out there better than you and more noligable about the job.
I am an older driver with a DCPC card.I have sat through a load of waffle.I have learned the following,You cant drive a unit without C+E The Fiat 500 is made in Poland it is the same mechanically as a Ford Ka.I also have much some of it wrong info. on tachos.I cant see how this makes me a better driver.When I last had Mr.Vosa"s company he asked me if I had my DCPC card I said yes and was in the act of producing it,he said I asked if you have it I did not ask to see it.W.T.F. comes to mind.You drivers who have not started yet that is what lies ahead,now bend over and apply the vaseline.
alamcculloch:
When I last had Mr.Vosa"s company he asked me if I had my DCPC card I said yes and was in the act of producing it,he said I asked if you have it I did not ask to see it.W.T.F. comes to mind.Y
Dotty D:
It may have all ready been said but if you older drivers can’t be bothered to do your cpc …good … hang up your keys and twist how unfair life is then I can have a pick at all them jobs that will be out there, it’s just plain bone idleness on your behalf we all have to abide by the rules it’s just people’s ignorance of the law changes … If you have that much to say it would be great to see what Mr Vosa has to say when he pulls you over and asks for your DQC card …
You may not get the pick it depends weather your face fits at interview so don’t be so ■■■■ sure.
There is always someone out there better than you and more noligable about the job.
Yes your right there is always someone better and more KNOWLEDGEABLE out there but going back to the topic I was just stating a fact , n was just saying there’s going to be a lot of jobs come September if people aren’t going to follow the standards ( how stupid they may be ) set by the government and driving agencies, I’m not being cocky or want an argument just putting my point across its a discussion after all .
Don’t think things will change that much.
A lot of companies are now paying to put drivers through the dcpc so it won’t make that amount of differance.
I myself said I wouldn’t do it but company have paid so I only have one to do then I only need one more to see me out to retirement so if they change things il hang em early.
So 27% completed so say 33% by now? How many drivers is that and how many does the industry need.
How many will have left the industry by Sept 14?
Bearing in mind the number of new drivers has dropped from 40,000 to 9,000 per annum the end of the year could get interesting.
ajt:
It might come as a surprise but the majority of work sectors you have to go on training or class room based courses so we aren’t special.
For all the inconvenience and expense in some peoples cases, going by some of the dodgy practices you see on a daily basis maybe its not such a bad thing…
That would be agreed if the dCPC had any chance or likelihood of preventing those things from happening, but is hasn’t.
chicane:
So 27% completed so say 33% by now? How many drivers is that and how many does the industry need.
How many will have left the industry by Sept 14?
Bearing in mind the number of new drivers has dropped from 40,000 to 9,000 per annum the end of the year could get interesting.
But is that 27% out of the total number of license holders or drivers, my father in law has a license but has been retired for 10 years how many others are like that.
alamcculloch:
When I last had Mr.Vosa"s company he asked me if I had my DCPC card I said yes and was in the act of producing it,he said I asked if you have it I did not ask to see it.W.T.F. comes to mind.Y
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