Let’s ignore all the usual barrack room lawyers, who infest the haulage industry, think that the view through a truck windscreen gives some kind of unique knowledge of what will happen in years to come and think nothing of presenting their opinion as cast-iron fact, and listen to a legal guy who charges £300 per hour to represent miscreant hauliers in front of Traffic Commissioners. He has an opinion on what will happen with DCPC along with a great deal else:
Driver CPC obligations are also unlikely to change, this is because, although the regulations were created by the EU, the UK is a signatory of the, snappily titled, European Agreement Concerning the Work of Crews of Vehicles Engaged in International Road Transport (AETR) which contains driver CPC obligations. The UK is expected to remain a signatory of AETR as a condition of ongoing trade with the EU. This will be in line with a number of other non EU counties.
Olog Hai:
Let’s ignore all the usual barrack room lawyers, who infest the haulage industry, think that the view through a truck windscreen gives some kind of unique knowledge of what will happen in years to come and think nothing of presenting their opinion as cast-iron fact, and listen to a legal guy who charges £300 per hour to represent miscreant hauliers in front of Traffic Commissioners. He has an opinion on what will happen with DCPC along with a great deal else:
Driver CPC obligations are also unlikely to change, this is because, although the regulations were created by the EU, the UK is a signatory of the, snappily titled, European Agreement Concerning the Work of Crews of Vehicles Engaged in International Road Transport (AETR) which contains driver CPC obligations. The UK is expected to remain a signatory of AETR as a condition of ongoing trade with the EU. This will be in line with a number of other non EU counties.
News Hub - Backhouse Jones
as it says as part of the eu we must obey the rules
now we are not part of the eu and all the rules will be open to be accepted or not and the cpc is one that i dont see how they can justify its existance, we are about to start negotiations on trade as its now a wide open no rules to follow playing field or maybe you dont understand what voting out of the eu really means ?
desypete:
now we are not part of the eu and all the rules will be open to be accepted or not and the cpc is one that i dont see how they can justify its existance, we are about to start negotiations on trade as its now a wide open no rules to follow playing field or maybe you dont understand what voting out of the eu really means ?
C’mon Pete, even someone like you can do better than that. All you’ve got to do is read the quote. It’s all explained in there. I’d take the opinion of a highly-paid (and highly-regarded) lawyer above that of someone whose only ‘contribution’ to the economy is to help keep the people down at the dole office employed by turning up every week and occupying some of their time as he signs on.
Oh …dont forget folks ,we are still members for the next possible 2 years
Olog Hai:
Let’s ignore all the usual barrack room lawyers, who infest the haulage industry, think that the view through a truck windscreen gives some kind of unique knowledge of what will happen in years to come and think nothing of presenting their opinion as cast-iron fact, and listen to a legal guy who charges £300 per hour to represent miscreant hauliers in front of Traffic Commissioners. He has an opinion on what will happen with DCPC along with a great deal else:
Driver CPC obligations are also unlikely to change, this is because, although the regulations were created by the EU, the UK is a signatory of the, snappily titled, European Agreement Concerning the Work of Crews of Vehicles Engaged in International Road Transport (AETR) which contains driver CPC obligations. The UK is expected to remain a signatory of AETR as a condition of ongoing trade with the EU. This will be in line with a number of other non EU counties.
News Hub - Backhouse Jones
Same £300/hour experts that interpreted the original legislation that mechanics and fitters needed DCPC. Anyone who listened didn’t get their time or money back.
As I pointed out at the time it was clearly wrong as a dcpc exempt scaffolder or tree surgeon would, by implication, have to pay a driver with dcpc to drive their truck to MOT once a year which was plainly absurd.
Own Account Driver:
Same £300/hour experts that interpreted the original legislation that mechanics and fitters needed DCPC. Anyone who listened didn’t get their time or money back.
As I pointed out at the time it was clearly wrong as a dcpc exempt scaffolder or tree surgeon would, by implication, have to pay a driver with dcpc to drive their truck to MOT once a year which was plainly absurd.
Like I said, I’d still listen to him before some of the opinion-presented-as-fact brigade on here.
Olog Hai:
Own Account Driver:
Same £300/hour experts that interpreted the original legislation that mechanics and fitters needed DCPC. Anyone who listened didn’t get their time or money back.
As I pointed out at the time it was clearly wrong as a dcpc exempt scaffolder or tree surgeon would, by implication, have to pay a driver with dcpc to drive their truck to MOT once a year which was plainly absurd.
Like I said, I’d still listen to him before some of the opinion-presented-as-fact brigade on here.
Yes, experts are not infallible but are better than the alternative.
P.S. Ive copied Olag Hais previous post across to the “Whats Likely to Change In Haulage Industry”.
Unless he’s likely to be the transport minister in Boris Johnson’s future government I’m not convinced he’s got a much better idea than anyone else.
Don’t forget lawyers have a vested interest in advocating bureaucracy. Frankly any money spent on DCPC before we’ve come out the other side of the EU has a very high potential to be money down the drain, regardless of any noises the department of transport or the DVSA make in the interim. For drivers that have to fund it themselves, presently, it’s perfectly sound advice to delay taking any further modules for the time being.
DCPC was always an unpopular idea. Similarly the EU was always an unpopular idea and the establishment have just been given an object lesson in why forcing unpopular ideas on the electorate can turn around and bite you.
desypete:
Olog Hai:
Let’s ignore all the usual barrack room lawyers, who infest the haulage industry, think that the view through a truck windscreen gives some kind of unique knowledge of what will happen in years to come and think nothing of presenting their opinion as cast-iron fact, and listen to a legal guy who charges £300 per hour to represent miscreant hauliers in front of Traffic Commissioners. He has an opinion on what will happen with DCPC along with a great deal else:
Driver CPC obligations are also unlikely to change, this is because, although the regulations were created by the EU, the UK is a signatory of the, snappily titled, European Agreement Concerning the Work of Crews of Vehicles Engaged in International Road Transport (AETR) which contains driver CPC obligations. The UK is expected to remain a signatory of AETR as a condition of ongoing trade with the EU. This will be in line with a number of other non EU counties.
News Hub - Backhouse Jones
as it says as part of the eu we must obey the rules
now we are not part of the eu and all the rules will be open to be accepted or not and the cpc is one that i dont see how they can justify its existance, we are about to start negotiations on trade as its now a wide open no rules to follow playing field or maybe you dont understand what voting out of the eu really means ?
Ask your mummy to Google ‘Yes Minister’, get her to watch it on YouTube, and explain to you how politics work.
As an aside, they were saying on the TV this morning that the result of a referendum is not legally binding on a Government.
This means that if the Government/Parliament ignores the result, all the speculation as to what will, or will not, happen is pointless.
Fat Controller:
As an aside, they were saying on the TV this morning that the result of a referendum is not legally binding on a Government.
This means that if the Government/Parliament ignores the result, all the speculation as to what will, or will not, happen is pointless.
Wishful thinking on the part of remainers. Cameron has quit so obviously he thought it was pretty much certain.
Own Account Driver:
Fat Controller:
As an aside, they were saying on the TV this morning that the result of a referendum is not legally binding on a Government.
This means that if the Government/Parliament ignores the result, all the speculation as to what will, or will not, happen is pointless.
Wishful thinking on the part of remainers. Cameron has quit so obviously he thought it was pretty much certain.
Not quite. The government has to invoke article 50. Sign an official petion to divorce if you will. So far, all that has really happened is that Britain got a bit drunk, had an argument with Europe, called it a domineering basterd,and shouted that it wanted a divorce.
Britain then woke up with a bit of a hangover, and when it realised what it shouted the night before thought ‘oh ■■■■, what have I done’…
Britain now can say’yes, I do want this divorce’, and sign the legally binding divorce petition (article 50).
Or, Britain can sober up, cook a full breakfast, make kiss noises, and hope that Europe forgets about last night. It may require a few ■■■■■■■■, and maybe a taking it up the back door… (David C has started with the kiss noises, by kicking the signing of the divorce petition into the long grass. 3 months is a very long time in politics…)
the nodding donkey:
Own Account Driver:
Fat Controller:
As an aside, they were saying on the TV this morning that the result of a referendum is not legally binding on a Government.
This means that if the Government/Parliament ignores the result, all the speculation as to what will, or will not, happen is pointless.
Wishful thinking on the part of remainers. Cameron has quit so obviously he thought it was pretty much certain.
Not quite. The government has to invoke article 50. Sign an official petion to divorce if you will. So far, all that has really happened is that Britain got a bit drunk, had an argument with Europe, called it a domineering basterd,and shouted that it wanted a divorce.
Britain then woke up with a bit of a hangover, and when it realised what it shouted the night before thought ‘oh [zb], what have I done’…
Britain now can say’yes, I do want this divorce’, and sign the legally binding divorce petition (article 50).
Or, Britain can sober up, cook a full breakfast, make kiss noises, and hope that Europe forgets about last night. It may require a few ■■■■■■■■, and maybe a taking it up the back door… (David C has started with the kiss noises, by kicking the signing of the divorce petition into the long grass. 3 months is a very long time in politics…)
Sorry pal but I think we have given the EU a dose, and they are seriously not happy about it! 
While you think a lot of leave voters have changed their mind, a lot of us haven’t and IF there was a reversal in proceeding now, I (along with a lot of others) would be seriously ■■■■■■■ 
You need to also remember that to ignore the referendum would irreparably damage democracy in this country! Sorry mate, I can’t see it happening…
Evil8Beezle:
the nodding donkey:
Own Account Driver:
Fat Controller:
As an aside, they were saying on the TV this morning that the result of a referendum is not legally binding on a Government.
This means that if the Government/Parliament ignores the result, all the speculation as to what will, or will not, happen is pointless.
Wishful thinking on the part of remainers. Cameron has quit so obviously he thought it was pretty much certain.
Not quite. The government has to invoke article 50. Sign an official petion to divorce if you will. So far, all that has really happened is that Britain got a bit drunk, had an argument with Europe, called it a domineering basterd,and shouted that it wanted a divorce.
Britain then woke up with a bit of a hangover, and when it realised what it shouted the night before thought ‘oh [zb], what have I done’…
Britain now can say’yes, I do want this divorce’, and sign the legally binding divorce petition (article 50).
Or, Britain can sober up, cook a full breakfast, make kiss noises, and hope that Europe forgets about last night. It may require a few ■■■■■■■■, and maybe a taking it up the back door… (David C has started with the kiss noises, by kicking the signing of the divorce petition into the long grass. 3 months is a very long time in politics…)
Sorry pal but I think we have given the EU a dose, and they are seriously not happy about it!
While you think a lot of leave voters have changed their mind, a lot of us haven’t and IF there was a reversal in proceeding now, I (along with a lot of others) would be seriously ■■■■■■■ You need to also remember that to ignore the referendum would irreparably damage democracy in this country! Sorry mate, I can’t see it happening…
I don’t think this is going to end well, whichever way it goes. The longer this rotten saga goes on, the more obvious it is that the British Government is not looking to leave the Union. Have Dave and George actually actioned any of their pledges from the last election? They are both very practiced in the U-turn… 
Even Nigel and Boris have been busy backtracking and reversing their Leave campaign pledges.
I can see Theresa May getting the top job, allowing the government to delay and ultimately cancel the leave strategy.
the nodding donkey:
I don’t think this is going to end well, whichever way it goes. The longer this rotten saga goes on, the more obvious it is that the British Government is not looking to leave the Union. Have Dave and George actually actioned any of their pledges from the last election? They are both very practiced in the U-turn…
Even Nigel and Boris have been busy backtracking and reversing their Leave campaign pledges.
I can see Theresa May getting the top job, allowing the government to delay and ultimately cancel the leave strategy.
Well the chat from the commons today seemed very much that this was going to happen, and there wasn’t any hint to me that it wouldn’t.
So from my perspective I hope it goes through, fingers crossed! 
I respect that you don’t though…
The decision has been made all this left is to decide when. I voted remain but I think anybody who thinks it’s going to be reversed is living in LA LA land.
It would need a vote in parliament to overturn such a powerful national democratic result.
Any MP, outside a small handful, who voted to overturn the referendum and stay in the EU would be, without a shadow of a doubt down the job centre after the next general election. They’ve been dodging democracy for too long and now it’s caught up with them.
the nodding donkey:
Own Account Driver:
Fat Controller:
As an aside, they were saying on the TV this morning that the result of a referendum is not legally binding on a Government.
This means that if the Government/Parliament ignores the result, all the speculation as to what will, or will not, happen is pointless.
Wishful thinking on the part of remainers. Cameron has quit so obviously he thought it was pretty much certain.
Not quite. The government has to invoke article 50. Sign an official petion to divorce if you will. So far, all that has really happened is that Britain got a bit drunk, had an argument with Europe, called it a domineering basterd,and shouted that it wanted a divorce.
Britain then woke up with a bit of a hangover, and when it realised what it shouted the night before thought ‘oh [zb], what have I done’…
Britain now can say’yes, I do want this divorce’, and sign the legally binding divorce petition (article 50).
Or, Britain can sober up, cook a full breakfast, make kiss noises, and hope that Europe forgets about last night. It may require a few ■■■■■■■■, and maybe a taking it up the back door… (David C has started with the kiss noises, by kicking the signing of the divorce petition into the long grass. 3 months is a very long time in politics…)
That’s not what Cameron said before on the news there’s no going back he said, and the new PM will be announced after the holidays in September , and if they have a plan by then they could invoke it then we don’t have to wait until October at all, but to start the clock countdown gives the EU the upper hand ,haven’t they had enough time to dictate to the uk people? i know that the people of the uk think so
